What would YOU(provider or hobbyist) do in this situation?????????

[AlexisSoftTouch]

Originally Posted by DeAnna Luv

Funny..the swastika dates back way before hitler used it and way before neo nazi groups use it today.. it has many meanings, many origins.. hinduism among other eastern religions used it as a symbol.. as a matter of fact up until late 1930's was an insignia for the 45th infantry division..and also a symbol of good luck and spiritual and religous beliefs..

Originally Posted by DeAnna Luv

Much like the confederate flag, which by the way is NOT a racial flag but the BATTLE flag of the confederate army used during the civil war (which had nothing to do with race), which by the way had upwards of 4 or 5 other flags of different designs.. it was the misuse and overall misguided thoughts created by "groups" such as the nazi's that make the swastika a "bad thing" often times..

Was he wearing it to offend? probably not, he is entitled to his beliefs, would it have made a difference if he was 46? 56? since his age was pointed out? Would it offend you if a black person shows up with a black panther tat, or a black power tat? or is it ok since they are a minority? Would it be ok if someone had a tat of an opposing polical party? say democrat if your a republican? would that offend you? if NOT then why? why would someones beliefs and their choice to tat it on their body offend someone so badly they would choose to not allow them to be a customer of theirs..

Do you like to be judged on your beliefs? would you like it if customers ask for their money back after talking to you and finding out your policial views? your views on certain subjects? perhaps if he found out you object to his swastika and asked to leave..would you refund his money? would you refund his money if after he showed up he realized you are catholic? baptist? or perhaps don't believe in god? would that be ok and would you refund it? would you not be offended perhaps even hurt and bring that same complaint to the board?


peoples beliefs, views etc have no bearing on any provider in this hobby... we are their to provide a service, not agree with them, not see eye to eye, and most certainly not to judge them.. I don't really see how him having that tat can any way shape form or fashion offend someone.. he didn't express his views.. he wasn't trying to persuade you in any way..hell he probably didn't even bring it up..

the day providers go trying to be the modern day martyr.. by refusing to service and do business with someone based on a tat that leads them to a percieved view point..is the day men gotta start staying clothed.. lol.. geez

what next? I can't suck his dick cuz he has a looney toon tat on him and I believe that leads to childhood violence?


and isn't it ironic that because he might be predjudice against a certain race (soley based off a tat one comes to this conclusion mind you).. she will be predjudice against him and refuse service?

Wow,, thanks DeAnna,, I was going to post on the Swastika as well... I guess great minds think alike... The Tibetans and most from the Buddhist beliefs used a similar symbol that was a Swastika in the reverse direction though.

I think you hit it on the nail head sister so I will say no more, but I was going to ask Miss Heather if his other tattoos were gothic, rebel’ish or eclectic like, with yin yang and such?

[SofaKingFun]

So you found this tattoo offensive but not so much that it caused you to end the visit? Well, there's your answer.

The real question should be; Was the tattoo (or the symbolic meaning of the tattoo) so offensive that it caused you to have a less-than-average visit? If so, who shoulders this responsibility of blame?






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[carkido45]

He could have been an AB (Aryan Brotherhood) or Lowrider Nazi both prizon gangs.
Did you see a double lightning bolts tattoo or a four leaf clover tattoo? Both are identifying tattoo's of both gangs.
The AB's are extremely violent.
Becareful out there

[lisa.lisa0302]

Well i am nosy, i would have asked, whats with the tattoo, as long as he was respectful and put the money down. It would not bother me. I have came across some men who had the confederate flag big as day on their back, or arm. I just look and say, well this is Texas.

[Guest052110]

Originally Posted by blowpop

Simple. If you're not comfortable, ask him to leave. If it doesn't bother you, go on with the session.

I agree with blowpop. If you are not comfortable, tell him that the tattoos make you uncomfortable and give him a refund and ask him to leave. If you are scared of him, you may have to follow your instincts on the best way to protect yourself. That might be to give the service but don't plan on seeing him again.

[boardman]

If he just got out of prison, maybe it's the guy who called Brooke.
See what you missed Brooke. LOL

[Sweet Heather]

Originally Posted by SofaKingFun

So you found this tattoo offensive but not so much that it caused you to end the visit?








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I never said I ended the session. To the contrary, I went ahead and gave him a fabulous session. Personally I found the swastika offensive in that it represents(to most people) an ideology that found no problem with murdering 6 million persons they didn't like. But I also believe that we all are entitled to our own beliefs, and since he didn't outright express anything patently offensive to me other than his large tattoo, I went ahead and did it(the session).I just wondered how other providers would have reacted. And likewise, if the hobbyist encountered a provider with a big Swastika tattoo what would he do? No right or wrong answers BTW, just interesting how different people react..differently. H

[Sweet Heather]

Originally Posted by DeAnna Luv

why would someones beliefs and their choice to tat it on their body offend someone so badly they would choose to not allow them to be a customer of theirs..


the day providers go trying to be the modern day martyr.. by refusing to service and do business with someone based on a tat that leads them to a percieved view point..

So if I were Jewish and my great grandparents had been murdered in the gas chamber at Aushwitz by the Nazis...would I be wrong to refuse this apparent neo-Nazi service? H

[boardman]

I often wonder if guys like this have any idea what that swaztika actually represents. Do they have any idea the horror that people went through? How many good people, Americans, English etc... died to defeat the tyrant and repress the hatred? I really doubt it.

[surcher]

Heather, you said you gave him a great session and I'm guessing he was a gentleman, since you said nothing to the contrary. Obviously, the tat had no bearing on his, or your professionalism, so I don't see a problem, except momentary discomfort on your part. If the session went well, why would you not see him again?

[ThatManFromTexas]

Is this the guy?

[guest071811-3]

you don't know he was a neo nazi since you didn't have the balls to ask him... you have no clue why he has that tattoo..

however.. would you refusing to suck and fuck a guy for cash because some guy has that tat really make a damn bit of difference to your great grandparents..would they be proud of their great grand daughter who choses to hop in bed with men for money making a stand on their behalf and refusing this one time to not take money in to provide sexual pleasure? lol..seriously? lol

Fact is..your not jewish, you just disagree, so your feelings aren't that involved.. so given the parameters you set forth.. your only emotion was that of you find it offensive.. you have that right.. you also have the right to refuse service.. however there is irony there in that you would discriminate against someone who is attempting to be a paying customer of your business based on what he chose to do with his body, because he possibly discriminates against other races lol.. way to make a stand.. only in selling pussy is it a generally accepted practice to be able to be predjudice and discriminate against customers..

Fact is, that tat may not have been a representation of his view points of this day, the whole jail thing.. is fuckin stupid..and shows general ignorance.. perhaps he had those view points early in life, found god and is not a reformed man of christ who has never spent time in jail, just a wayward soul that lost his way and now is on the path to righteousness.. you didn't ask, so to judge is quite wrong.. he may be facing judgement unduly.. he perhaps can't get it removed currently, but does not feel that way anymore.. or perhaps he would have appreciated a MATURE ADULT being HONEST WITH HIM..and not taking his money if they found him so offensive.. not quite offensive enough to turn down the money..

as a side note.. I have come across african american men who are obvious former gangbangers with their tats, brands etc on their arms, chest etc etc.. do we not see them too because they caused violence? perhaps against their own race..

what about the hispanic community..the gangbangers from their with their mexican mafia tats etc etc.. I mean their or literally tons of men with tats that represent something from their past.. many times violent past.. but is it because this WHITE guy perhaps is against(we still do not know if this is a current view point of his)..but is it because he is WHITE.. and perhaps against the non white race? that makes him wrong and unseeable.. but not the black gangbanger that would kill a guy wearing red just because? or the hispanic guy that would kill another hispanic based on the street he lived on as a youth? because they are a minority and its more accepted from them? and wrong for a white guy to have an opinion and belief and have such a strong conviction for that belief he will display it on him proudly..its wrong?

it baffles me the lack of logic.. the paranoia and general ignorance.. did it have a clover on his tats? seriously.. and the warning of becareful out there lmao..because some guy has a tat.. lmao seriously...

you know how many ex cons you see that you don't know is an ex con.. how many reformed bangers, youth murderers you might come in contact with, eat dinner with, that you have no clue they did that, got past it, grew up and have changed direction in life..

that guy, for all you know is a entry level exec at a high end company making something of himself..and some provider paid to have sex with strangers among other people think they are in a position to judge him for his body art..

Originally Posted by Sweet Heather

So if I were Jewish and my great grandparents had been murdered in the gas chamber at Aushwitz by the Nazis...would I be wrong to refuse this apparent neo-Nazi service? H

[SofaKingFun]

DeAnna, as a former 'banger myself(heh!), I got a tattoo that represented how I rolled.

When I came across a gal who took offense, I realized how stupid I was for getting the tat in the first place.

So I quickly remedied the situation by circle/slashing it.
(I thinck that YOU, of all people, can appreciate it.. )



Problem solved...I just cover it when I head East on the I-10.




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[meryt]

Was the damned thing inside a star of David?

Ananda Marga

The emblem of Ananda Marga.


The Tantra-based new religious movement Ananda Marga (Devanagari: आनन्द मार्ग, meaning Path of Bliss) uses a motif similar to the Raëlians, but in their case the apparent star of David is defined as intersecting triangles with no specific reference to Jewish culture.
According to Ananda Marga:

External or physical service acted out through the motor organs is symbolised by the triangle pointing upwards. Internal or spiritual service done through channelizing of mental energy to the mantra is symbolized by the triangle pointing downwards... Attaining that state of oneness with the Generator, Operator and Destroyer of this universe is symbolised by the swastika which means victory.[92]

[SneakyCancer]

sweet heather, i guess if he books again, you can address it if it still bothers you. opinions do count and lots of providers screen for various reasons. you would not be "judging" if you choose to not see a client like that. heck half my list gets cut short just because of my race. Did not know the green face bill mattered so much. But its is a matter of personal choice.

I respect the ones who can say so up front rather than try and play it off and not being interested all to make a $$.