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Old 11-08-2012, 05:44 AM   #31
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The GOPs problem is their lack of inclusiveness. If someone did a demographics study on people that attend rallies, minorities are underrepresented, not because they're not allowed, but because the actions of the GOP turn off non-whites.
It is the message, and the Democrats have been able to rewrite their own history. It is in the interest of the Democratic Party to allow uncontrolled immigration and then "naturalize" those allowed into the country while offering promises of jobs and support until they get those jobs, in order to increase the voting base of the Party. The past three plus years is a perfect example ...

... look at the unemployment rates of the Blacks, Hispanics, and young people who overwhelmingly voted for Obaminable. Double of white males. What has Obaminable and the Democratic Party done for them in the past 3 plus years in the way of jobs. Nothing. That's why their unemployment rates are so high. But they still vote for a Democrat. The Republican Party has tried to be inclusive, but the Democratic Party has done a better of job of "messaging," even though the delivery of results lacks a lot to be desired.

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Anne coulter is a smart incisive thinker with a rapier wit and a manner given to cutting through the fog of liberal lies thrown out to miseducate our youth and fool the electorate. She skewers liberals constantly on the jagged edges of their inanities,

Liberals cannot out argue her so the resort to calling her names. The same thing they do in almost every case.

In the situation of immigrants, most law abiding ones from oppressive and totolitarian states tend to be conservatives and lovers of freedom, at least the first generation
Ann Coulter is a money-grubbing attention whore who says whatever she thinks she needs to say to remain in the conservative lemming spotlight. She's about the money, nothing else.
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Old 11-08-2012, 05:50 AM   #33
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It is the message, and the Democrats have been able to rewrite their own history. It is in the interest of the Democratic Party to allow uncontrolled immigration and then "naturalize" those allowed into the country while offering promises of jobs and support until they get those jobs, in order to increase the voting base of the Party. The past three plus years is a perfect example ...

... look at the unemployment rates of the Blacks, Hispanics, and young people who overwhelmingly voted for Obaminable. Double of white males. What has Obaminable and the Democratic Party done for them in the past 3 plus years in the way of jobs. Nothing. That's why their unemployment rates are so high. But they still vote for a Democrat. The Republican Party has tried to be inclusive, but the Democratic Party has done a better of job of "messaging," even though the delivery of results lacks a lot to be desired.
Lexus - Obviously you know nothing about how the citizenship process works. It's not about Democrats or Republicans, heck, your boy Reagan allowed 3 million to stay. It's not about messaging, it's about actions. Jan Brewer is one that needs to be kicked out of the GOP. Keep those people in the GOP and the legal immigrants and naturalized citizens and their descendents will continue to reject the GOP. If they don't want to see it, it's their loss. I don't give a shit about them and as far as I know the GOP can die tomorrow and I would throw a huge party to celebrate.
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Old 11-08-2012, 06:59 AM   #34
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Lexus - Obviously you know nothing about how the citizenship process works.
Obviously you don't know shit about me!

As is often customary around here you ASSUME you do. Join the club. It's big.

I will just give you a little hint: English was not the first language I learned.

Carry on.

I'm always curious why those not in the Republican Party always try to explain what the Republicans are doing wrong ... and what they need to do to improve. As I have said repreatedly I am a Democrat and I want the Democratic Party to quit moving to the left and try to avoid socialistic tendencies. And they also predict the "end of Republicans."

I have recognized the shortcomings of the Democratic Party, having lived in South Texas and Central Texas for most of my life. A Republican in office was News! Often time a Republican even running was News! But the Democratic Party drifted to the East and West Coast philosophies .. and that has not worked well as for as "inclusion" is concerned.

After the vote total comes in ... you might want to take a look at the voting stats.

And I'm not talking the "electoral college" ... I mean people voting.

Very close to half the voters in the country rejected Obaminable. Up from last time.
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Old 11-08-2012, 07:08 AM   #35
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Ann Coulter is a money-grubbing attention whore who says whatever she thinks she needs to say to remain in the conservative lemming spotlight. She's about the money, nothing else.
Which makes her the extreme capitalist, no? Built from the exact same mold as most the screaming RW radio idiots. Look at Rush's career--it's largely an act to bring in dollars based upon fear and hate. Of course the "best" (in the sense that he works the $$$ machine) of that ilk is Glenn Beck. No one knows what Beck really believes--probably not even him. He is 100% about the hype and the RW lemmings opening their check books for him
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Old 11-08-2012, 07:13 AM   #36
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Which makes her the extreme capitalist, ...

Personally I prefer an "extreme capitalist" over an "extreme socialist" .. any time.

Especially when the "extreme socialist" expresses her dislike for this country, but wears a $10,000 outfit to her husband's debate session. But that's just me.

And FYI: I don't pay attention to the "extremes," which includes on this board.

They are just annoying.
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73% of Asians voted for Obama. How many of them are slackers?
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Old 11-08-2012, 07:31 AM   #38
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Ann Coulter . . . I would do her!

Now, it would be greek and she probably wouldn't like it all that much . . .

But, I'd definitely enjoy it!

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73% of Asians voted for Obama. How many of them are slackers?

Actually, quite a few.....you're a racist to say they don't like free stuff too......
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Oh righties......Ann Coulter failed you, as did Rush Limbaugh and Dick Morris and Rassmusen polling.

As long as you guys keep being misinformed and believing nonsense, you will keep losing.
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... it does not take an extraordinary amount of analytical talent to determine the fundamental reason people wish to emigrate to this country (or sneak across the border), even though the favorite past time in their respective countries seems to be burning, spitting on, or stomping on our flag (of a scare-crow likeliness of our President), and spending a little time conversing with them fresh "off the boat" or out of the river bottom might be informative ... for those who fantasize and glamourize about the reasons .... as one who as done exactly that--converse with relatives "right off the boat", and growing up in a truly diverse immigrant community (unlike a lot of places that believe 2 ethnic groups makes them "diverse"), I disagree with most your over generalizations

... there is a perception, fed by the "leaders" in their home countries, that the U.S. is a rich country and there is a "pot of gold" awaiting their arrival .. no matter how they manage to get here ...

.. that false image is created back "home" to demonize this country and to blame this country for the poor conditions at home to shift the blame and responsibility for the "leaders" lacking the ability to provide adequately for the occupants of that country ..
BS! Most the folks--ESPECIALLY the "3rd world" immigrants--come because (1) they are poor and see the US as a place where hard work does allow them to prosper, (2) they are poor and see the US as a place where hard work does allow them to prosper, and (3) they are poor and see the US as a place where hard work does allow them to prosper.

Most of them see the government they are leaving as corrupt and oppressive, so why would they come here if they believe the US is just a bigger version of their home town despot ? Most of them are apolitical. Politics is for the rich and powerful. They have been browbeaten to believe they have on say because they don't deserve a say. They are generally amazed that US citizens who actually DO have the right to vote stay home in droves. One man from South Africa stood on line to vote in the first election Blacks were allowed to vote in. He waited 8 hours to vote, and was shot while on line because he was on line--and showed his bullet scars as a badge of honor. He still cannot believe we can vote is safety and comfort but don't.

.. but the result is when they arrive they do not understand that the "richness" of our country has historically been the hard work and long hours expended by those living here already and the ability of people living here to begin their own business and work long and hard to develope that business with many years of marginal income and marginal benefits until it begins to thrive.
More of your gross generalization. Go to NYC and wander the small ethnic shops. The Korean family that lived above their small grocery store, were open for business 5 AM to 10 PM seven days a week. I met them and became a customer shortly after they moved to the US from Korea. Just mom and dad and one uncle (until the kids were old enough to work). They worked through racial slurs spray pained on their store, rocks through their windows more than once. The persevered. They succeeded because they worked harder than the other local store owners. Sent 3 kids to college, refusing financial aid because, as Mr Kim told me, "I was given a blessing to work here, and I don't want to abuse your country's generosity", though by then they were all US citizens for years. One son went to Stanford, and the others also to private colleges so the bill was substantial.

That story is repeated many, many times in any small street in Chinatown. Or along "Little Delhi" in Queens, or the exploding (and prospering) areas in Flushing, or many Cuban areas in Florida . What's the most commonly heard gripe by multi-generational Americans? "Those immigrants work too hard". I am sure you have some examples for what you say, but you paint with far too broad a brush.

My aunt made a few dollars by teaching conversational English to ESL students. By the way, most these very capitalistic, hard working NATURALIZED CITIZENS vote Democratic because they do not feel personally welcome in the Republican party, even though they are fiscal conservative in their beliefs. (There is the Cuban voting issue, but the press likes to only focus on the middle wave Cubans who fled Castro in the late 50s-60s. They are heavily Republican, but the lineage oof the early 50s Cubans who cane for economic reasons are far more Democrats).

The Spaniards exploring what is now the Western United States did not find the "Gold City" and neither do the immigrants coming here looking for the "pot of gold."

The FACT that they come from "third world" countries, which are traditionally poor and lacking in much of an ecomonic engine for improvement, shows that the immigrants who arrive here from those countries more than likely are not acquainted with 50 to 100 hour work weeks ... whether it be as an employee or business owner. (That is not a description of ALL, but an accurate generalization, and an historical description of the phases of the sugar beet industry development in Colorada demonstrates what is common upon their arrival ... and it depends on the cultural differences from which they came.)

I am not aware of the Colorado beat industry, but that does not carry over to what I have seen many other places.
You see the same thing in many schools: the immigrant students who start with a language disadvantage wind up doing better as a group because they work harder. The HS I went to is one of the most competitive HSs in the country to get into. When I went there is was about 95% white male (that was a long while back!). I went back recently (last year) and looking at their official demographics: 40% white male. And if anything they are doing better now by every major measuring stick (test scores, college acceptances, etc.)

I do agree with your later comment that the Dems have drifted farther left than I would like to see, but I think your comment that somehow blaimes the shift on "immigrants" is far too simplistic.
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Personally I prefer an "extreme capitalist" over an "extreme socialist" .. any time.

Especially when the "extreme socialist" expresses her dislike for this country, but wears a $10,000 outfit to her husband's debate session. But that's just me.

And FYI: I don't pay attention to the "extremes," which includes on this board.

They are just annoying.
Actually, my extreme capitalist comment was honestly not intended to be an insult to AC (who I do not like), but my point was she is in this case following exactly whay she professes--capitalism. I actually applaud her for that part of it, but shake my head at the lemmings who don't understand that these are first and foremost showmen.

As to yout comparison of the extremes, I completely agree with you, sir. I am not a socialist by any stretch.
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ANN COULTER BLAMES THIRD WORLD IMMIGRANTS.
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I can't see a scenario where Romney wins less than 273 electoral votes.
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Actually, quite a few.....you're a racist to say they don't like free stuff too......
Where did I say that?
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After the vote total comes in ... you might want to take a look at the voting stats.

And I'm not talking the "electoral college" ... I mean people voting.

Very close to half the voters in the country rejected Obaminable. Up from last time.
Well you have to look at the "electoral college" if you nwant to run for President!

Next, Obama won despite 7.9% unemployment. That does not bode well for the Tea Party influenced GOP platform. If it can not even get on board with the Dream Act, they will never win another national election.

I have tried to explain to JD, that winning a few seats in Congress or the Senate in not a national mandate. That is what you boys need to understand. The Tea Nuts are dragging down the GOP to a regional party.
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