When Clients Change

[Marcus Aurelius]

The human condition.

Fascinating.

leopards don't change their spots and a man won't hurt a woman he cares for because he fucked up money. A woman shows her private places....
Ooh baby ooh. Dangerous.

[Randy4Candy]

Day-yum! Bunch of people having a bad couple of days here.

I guess some people might think that since money changes hands that there should be a little wider berth given some forms of behavior. And, they may have a small point if the behavior is limited to general grochiness or some type of foul mood getting in the way of the usual pleasant time. I don't know what type of "bad behavior" you are talking about, Leah. If you elaborated in the thread I missed it and I apolpgize. I guess I'm confused in what constitutes "bad" behavior and what constitutes BAD behavior. I suspect that it went beyond just being in a bad mood or saying things that could be construed as mildly offensive.

[Leah Ireland]

Originally Posted by Naomi4u

That must have been scary for you. In what way was he unpleasant? You don't have to share but I am a bit curious.

Fortunately for me, I have never had to deal with that. I've never been shorted and have never had a client talk to me in a negative way. While I enjoyed helping a client during a difficult time, I would not spend time with one that was nasty, negative or unpleasant BCD. The first time would have been it for me.

Hi Naomi, it wasn't scary, it was just unpleasant.

At the end of the night he was going to give me some money for expenses incurred by me travelling to see him, not my fee, and he was being cheap about it. I literally put my hand in his wallet and took some more. I ended up $1 short of what I'd envisaged without counting.

What really galled me was that during the night I suggested we go to one particular place where I go to hear live music. I know the place really well but didn't know who was playing that night, and given experience thought it was worth knowing. They have music that is divine to crap, usually a lot more of the first.

We were still at his hotel so asked the concierge what was on there that night. He basically said - 'Eh, such and such a place, isn't that such and such a place?'. Referring to location. Utterly useless.

My escort rushed over and gave him a tip for knowing nothing, which amounted to the same he was offering for my expenses. I felt it was extremely insulting that he did that, particularly after a night of champagne, great restaurant, great wine etc. And the fact that in a lot of ways he doesn't pay - didn't pay - for what he got from me. Nothing like my fees in total. So yes he was getting a deal, but taking the p--s is totally a different matter. And totally non-negotiable.

[Leah Ireland]

ACP - You know you may be right. When I was with him the time before it slipped out that he said he loved me. I didn't go further with it, I thought it was a just in the moment kind of thing. And he'd been saying that after some things I've been doing I look as good as when he met me a few years ago - OK yes, I guess stress got to me - and he seemed very happy to be back with me.

Maybe he felt obligated to blow it.

[Guest083011]

What a shame. Somehow a great meal with good libations with a lady, and an invite to go to a RW place of her choosing would be awesome whether jazz, classical, rock or whatever. Somehow I would have pushed to heading back to the room, but... you were bringing him into a personal world.

I suppose at the end it was more the shock that he couldn't accept your RW. Sorry he couldn't grasp the transition. But a real world relationship can blow up as easily as yours did. Funny how our demimonde world and RW collide in similar fashions. Sorry he hurt you.

Originally Posted by Leah Ireland

Hi Naomi, it wasn't scary, it was just unpleasant.

At the end of the night he was going to give me some money for expenses incurred by me travelling to see him, not my fee, and he was being cheap about it. I literally put my hand in his wallet and took some more. I ended up $1 short of what I'd envisaged without counting.

What really galled me was that during the night I suggested we go to one particular place where I go to hear live music. I know the place really well but didn't know who was playing that night, and given experience thought it was worth knowing. They have music that is divine to crap, usually a lot more of the first.

We were still at his hotel so asked the concierge what was on there that night. He basically said - 'Eh, such and such a place, isn't that such and such a place?'. Referring to location. Utterly useless.

My escort rushed over and gave him a tip for knowing nothing, which amounted to the same he was offering for my expenses. I felt it was extremely insulting that he did that, particularly after a night of champagne, great restaurant, great wine etc. And the fact that in a lot of ways he doesn't pay - didn't pay - for what he got from me. Nothing like my fees in total. So yes he was getting a deal, but taking the p--s is totally a different matter. And totally non-negotiable.

[discreetgent]

Originally Posted by Randy4Candy

I guess some people might think that since money changes hands that there should be a little wider berth given some forms of behavior. And, they may have a small point if the behavior is limited to general grochiness or some type of foul mood getting in the way of the usual pleasant time.

I don't think it should give a wider berth to bad behavior. It does, perhaps, give a wider berth - in particular on longer dates - in who decides what to do or where to go eat. Ideally it should be a joint decision but it makes sense that in P4P land the lady will probably defer to the choice the gent has made.

[Leah Ireland]

Originally Posted by atlcomedy

I'm not suggesting Leah doesn't have 100% discretion to decline whoever she chooses, period.

That said it is conceivable she developed special feelings for the gent herself or set higher exceptations for her dates with him.

That is, if every client is (overall, taking all factors into consideration) a 1 to a 5 with 3 being "acceptable to repeat," is it possible that after a bunch of "4+" & "5"-type encounters he has a couple of "2+" or "3"'s mixed in there, on whole, is he really that bad a client? date? Maybe you no longer have that special guy but maybe as "just a client." Maybe he ain't so bad (compared to the unknown, next guy through the door? Only you can decide.

Also, maybe it is financial stress...but there are lots of other stressers: family issues, health, who knows...

And at the risk of sounding more ornery than I normally am, have you considered he just ain't (as) in to you (as he used to be)? In civie relationships, some individuals that aren't good at initiating a "break-up" (& the potential for conflict or confrontation) often (conciously or not) resort to erratic or boorish behavior in hopes that she'll do your dirty work for you and initiate the break-up...

No, I think as ACP... suggested, it's rather the other way.

[Ansley]

So after all the drama in this thread, it boils down to you weren't happy with your choices and didn't like the way he spent his money?

[Leah Ireland]

Originally Posted by WTF

I think this is worth repeating.





Yea Ed didn't you know you can take a shot and cover your ass by saying "accurate or not, this is often considered"!

Lauren Summerhill is never mistaken or apologetic, accurate or not, this is often considered.



Has anyone noticed that no one has answered Leah simple question?

They have though offered her unsolicited advice. That is like Meryl Streep coming on here and asking about toothpaste and some of you giving her acting tips. Bless your lil lo hearts!

I like it! WTF, you make me laugh!

Funnily enough when I was blonde a lot of people thought I looked like Meryl Streep... I didn't take it as a compliment.

[Leah Ireland]

Originally Posted by SR Only

What a shame. Somehow a great meal with good libations with the lovely Leah, and an invite to go to a RW place of her choosing would be awesome whether jazz, classical, rock or whatever. Somehow I would have pushed to heading back to the room, but... you were bringing him into a personal world.

I suppose at the end it was more the shock that he couldn't accept your RW. Sorry he couldn't grasp the transition. But a real world relationship can blow up as easily as yours did. Funny how our demimonde world and RW collide in similar fashions. Sorry he hurt you.

Thank you SR.

Actually his mind was blown by the places I took him to and the quality of the music he heard. Often he didn't even have to pay for it! I took him to places with loads of vital energy and, sorry to say, a lot of places that cost a lot to be there don't have it. It's just the way it is. But no way am I going to give up my liking for fine champagne and fine restaurants etc. But I do very much enjoy being able to go between different worlds.

But this is giving rise to another idea that maybe I'll start another thread on, very related and very related to the changes between our worlds.

[Leah Ireland]

Originally Posted by discreetgent

I don't think it should give a wider berth to bad behavior. It does, perhaps, give a wider berth - in particular on longer dates - in who decides what to do or where to go eat. Ideally it should be a joint decision but it makes sense that in P4P land the lady will probably defer to the choice the gent has made.

I really disagree. I almost always make the choice of where to go to eat just because I'm a woman. Whether my date is rich or poor. It's one of the pleasures of being a woman and one I've noticed restaurant owners can discount to their disadvantage. I don't pay, I choose.

[Guest083011]

Originally Posted by Leah Ireland

But no way am I going to give up my liking for fine champagne and fine restaurants etc. But I do very much enjoy being able to go between different worlds.

Fine champagne and great food doesn't have to mean expensive. Granted some great food and drink at times does not come cheaply. Buy a $19 bottle of Roederer Champagne (a 92 in WS) and you will think it is as good as the brands that charge for their marketing in addition to taste (think Dom).

[Leah Ireland]

Originally Posted by Ansley

So after all the drama in this thread, it boils down to you weren't happy with your choices and didn't like the way he spent his money?

After hearing such great things about you from mutual clients I'm surprised at your comment Ansley. They told me you were a lovely lady!

[Leah Ireland]

Originally Posted by SR Only

You're welcome.

Fine champagne and great food doesn't have to mean expensive. Granted some great food and drink at times does not come cheaply. Buy a $19 bottle of Roederer Champagne (a 92 in WS) and you will think it is as good as the brands that charge for their marketing in addition to taste (think Dom).

$19!? I'm on it. I thought they only did expensive stuff.

[discreetgent]

Originally Posted by Leah Ireland

I really disagree. I almost always make the choice of where to go to eat just because I'm a woman. Whether my date is rich or poor. It's one of the pleasures of being a woman and one I've noticed restaurant owners can discount to their disadvantage. I don't pay, I choose.

Interesting. But what if a gent who booked a dinner date wanted to go to a particular restaurant?