Another Inexplicable Cop Shooting

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by JohnnyCap

It isn't that policing philosophy has changed (it has, but as a result), it is that the philosophy of taking care of one's self and one's own has changed.

People don't want to pay for effective, intelligent law enforcement personnel, and they ridicule their decision making when it turns out to be wrong,

.... and they sure bitch about it enough in their Monday morning quarterbacking.

[gnadfly]

Originally Posted by ExNYer

Actually, that's a pretty stupid idea.

If you want to guarantee a corrupt police force, pay them poorly. Look to the south and see how that has worked out for Mexico.

Police pay should be increased, but hiring standards - particularly mental stability tests - should be raised accordingly even if that mean we have less minorities on the force.

Then the hired cops should be regularly drug tested, especially for steroids.

Make the job a good, well-paying one that no one wants to lose. Cut back on retirement age for full benefits if you need to control costs. And make it tougher to retire on disability.

Totally agree with all the points of your post ExNYer.

The last time my home was robbed they sent a police team of two out. I got one cop aside and told him his partner's roid useage was dangerously high. His BP was so high his face was beet red and looked so puffy like it was going to explode. The cop did not confirm or deny my comment and promptly left.

Originally Posted by gnadfly

Whatever happened to the cops that killed the 95 yo in the old folks home? That was pointing a butcher knife and apparently wasn't affected by the taser?

Enquiring minds want to know.

Anyone? There was so much rage about a 95 yo killed a few weeks ago and now nothing?

[BJerk]

Originally Posted by ExNYer

Actually, that's a pretty stupid idea.

If you want to guarantee a corrupt police force, pay them poorly. Look to the south and see how that has worked out for Mexico.

Police pay should be increased, but hiring standards - particularly mental stability tests - should be raised accordingly even if that mean we have less minorities on the force.

Then the hired cops should be regularly drug tested, especially for steroids.

Make the job a good, well-paying one that no one wants to lose. Cut back on retirement age for full benefits if you need to control costs. And make it tougher to retire on disability.

So many people want to be cops that some do it for free - many departments have Reserve forces staffed by volunteers, and the Sheriff's Dept. even has a genuine horse posse - all done for free!! Less minorities on the force may be something you think is desirable but it is not politically feasible and doesn't factor in the benefits of diversity.

[i'va biggen]

Lots of volunteers think Zimmerman was one.

[Guest032516]

Originally Posted by Bert Jones

So many people want to be cops that some do it for free - many departments have Reserve forces staffed by volunteers, and the Sheriff's Dept. even has a genuine horse posse - all done for free!!

Free? You can't be serious. This is a joke right?

Horse posse?

Do you actually think you can get 34,000 volunteers (the size of the NYPD) to police the city of New York EVERY DAY?

Who the hell would take that kind of risk for free?

You might get volunteer cops to do it in small rural areas where there is not enough money for a police force. But that is only because they have NO CHOICE and because there is very little crime.

And, if you think professional cops make a lot of mistakes and engage in brutality, just wait until you see how poorly amateur cops perform.

There is a reason why New York City does not let its auxiliary cops carry weapons.

Originally Posted by Bert Jones

Less minorities on the force may be something you think is desirable but it is not politically feasible and doesn't factor in the benefits of diversity.

I did not say less minorities was desirable. I am saying that it may be unavoidable if we raise hiring standards. I know someone who does investigation for the NYPD and he has told me some depressing stories. To achieve diversity quotas, the NYPD actually admits some candidates to the police academy that have police records themselves - just not real bad ones. Guess how that works out in the long run.

And if you can identify an actual, PROVEN, real-world benefit of "diverity", you will be the first. We are constantly told that we need diversity to improve our standing the the world and be competitive and yet we constantly have our asses kicked by countries with ZERO diversity (e.g., Japan, China, S. Korea, most counties of Europe). It is the most over-hyped "virtue" ever.

[BJerk]

Originally Posted by ExNYer

Free? You can't be serious. This is a joke right?

Horse posse?

Do you actually think you can get 34,000 volunteers (the size of the NYPD) to police the city of New York EVERY DAY?

Who the hell would take that kind of risk for free?

You might get volunteer cops to do it in small rural areas where there is not enough money for a police force. But that is only because they have NO CHOICE and because there is very little crime.

And, if you think professional cops make a lot of mistakes and engage in brutality, just wait until you see how poorly amateur cops perform.

There is a reason why New York City does not let its auxiliary cops carry weapons.


I did not say less minorities was desirable. I am saying that it may be unavoidable if we raise hiring standards. I know someone who does investigation for the NYPD and he has told me some depressing stories. To achieve diversity quotas, the NYPD actually admits some candidates to the police academy that have police records themselves - just not real bad ones. Guess how that works out in the long run.

And if you can identify an actual, PROVEN, real-world benefit of "diverity", you will be the first. We are constantly told that we need diversity to improve our standing the the world and be competitive and yet we constantly have our asses kicked by countries with ZERO diversity (e.g., Japan, China, S. Korea, most counties of Europe). It is the most over-hyped "virtue" ever.

The payoffs touch every area of the business by potentially resulting in increased creativity, increased productivity, new attitudes, new language skills, global understanding, new processes, and new solutions to difficult problems. greater agility, better market insight, stronger customer and community loyalty, innovation, and improved employee recruitment and retention. The businesses that fail to see the importance of Diversity and inclusion might find themselves unable to attract and retain the kinds of customers, employees, and business partners that constitute our changing world in 5 to 10 years.
(this is from http://saharconsulting.wordpress.com)

Dallas County Sheriff's Posse - free cops who carry guns!!! http://www.dallascounty.org/departme...riff/posse.php

[Stan.Dupp]

Originally Posted by ExNYer

Actually, that's a pretty stupid idea.

If you want to guarantee a corrupt police force, pay them poorly. Look to the south and see how that has worked out for Mexico.

Police pay should be increased, but hiring standards - particularly mental stability tests - should be raised accordingly even if that mean we have less minorities on the force.

Then the hired cops should be regularly drug tested, especially for steroids.

Make the job a good, well-paying one that no one wants to lose. Cut back on retirement age for full benefits if you need to control costs. And make it tougher to retire on disability.

You bring up a good point. I had a long ago friend who joined the police force and he was a work out fanatic. As a rookie he started out at 40k a year. I never realized rookies made that kind of money, I always had the impression they made a lot less, so this surprised me.

He started doing steroids and a whole bunch of other muscle enhancing drugs, (he got really pumped up) and his whole personality changed. He was quick to get angry and pop off all the time. We went to clubs and he would always get into fights with other people.

I couldn't stand being around my buddy anymore. I always wondered how many cops do steroids and how much that actually impacts the "emotionally reactive" state they go into when having to handle annoying or difficult citizens.

[Guest032516]

Originally Posted by Bert Jones

The payoffs touch every area of the business by potentially resulting in increased creativity, increased productivity, new attitudes, new language skills, global understanding, new processes, and new solutions to difficult problems. greater agility, better market insight, stronger customer and community loyalty, innovation, and improved employee recruitment and retention.

Jargon, jargon and more jargon. I'm surprised you didn't say "proactive" and "leverage core competencies" also.

Originally Posted by Bert Jones

The businesses that fail to see the importance of Diversity and inclusion might find themselves unable to attract and retain the kinds of customers, employees, and business partners that constitute our changing world in 5 to 10 years.

And yet, somehow, Samsung excels. And Toyota. And LG. And HTC. And Huawei.

A competent, educated work force operating at competitive pay scale can do that. Even if it isn't diverse.