Obama's Proposal for free 2 year college Tuition Good Idea or Bad Idea?

[CuteOldGuy]

Please point out where, in the enumerated powers granted the federal government in the Constitution, where it is directed that the federal government provide free education.

[bigcockpussylicker]

Originally Posted by I B Hankering

The whole K-12 system needs to be revamped,.

no kidding
but no one wants to blame themselves
kids/parents want to blame the teahers/schools, but what is important is how a child spends their time not in school
besides, learning crap in school is mostly retarded

just watch jeporday or read cracked.com
In a perfect world, these are the courses they should have made us take:

1. Doing Your Taxes 101
2. Internships: A Modern Slavery
3. Making Friends As An Adult
4. The Ins and Outs of a Mortgage
5. Cleanliness and You: The Study of Personal Hygiene
6. The Convergence of Love And Sex
7. Interpreting Family Relationships
8. The Normalization of Drug Dependency
9. How To Date Many People Before Committing To Marriage
10. Adult-Onset Body Image Issues
11. Balancing A Work Life and A Social Life
12. The Wonders of Travel
13. Career Change in Unstable Economies
14. Understanding Divorce
15. Kindness: A Gentle Analysis
16. Healthy Meal Planning
17. The Struggles of Depression
18. The Realities of Single Parenthood
19. Body Maintenance
20. The Glorification of Alcohol
21. Finance Organization
22. The Exploration of Alternative Lifestyles
23. Managing Unemployment
24. Dealing With Emotional Unavailability
25. The Importance of Debt
26. Child Development — yes, this exists, IN CHILD STUDIES PROGRAMS, but everyone needs this course.
27. The Effects of Grief
28. Maintaining A Savings Account
29. Elderly Planning
30. http://www.cracked.com/article_18611...in-school.html

[bigcockpussylicker]

Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

Please point out where, in the enumerated powers granted the federal government in the Constitution, where it is directed that the federal government provide free education.

enumerated ?
just a useless word, not needed

the sentence means the same thing without "enumerated"
That is what they are called, "The enumerated powers are a list of items found in Article I, Section 8 of the U.S. Constitution that set forth the authoritative capacity of Congress."
but that word doesnt change the meaning.

[JD Barleycorn]

Whether you believe it or not I am in this system and most community colleges fail to measure up to the standards of a four year college. This is not so bad if you're hammering out electives or getting through the basics but if you want to be an engineer then the two year schools come up lacking in many cases.

Obama is smart to pose this as "free" college even if it isn't and never will be. To be more honest it should have been presented as a scholarship which is something that people understand. A scholarship has to be qualified for and maintained. I believe I heard Obama say that a 2.5 (or was it 2.3) GPA was enough to qualify....this is where I put in that maybe that is good because it matches Obama's grades at Harvard, but in reality it is way too low. Think of that scholarship again. Maybe the following thing should be considered; a 3.2 grade point average, registration for the draft, a real, live US citizen (accept no substitutes), and no criminal record. I would also like to limit the scholarship to reality based programs (not basket weaving or art) but we need to see how it goes before putting other limits. Oh, one more thing....this has nothing to do with the federal government at all. It should be administered at the state and local levels so Obama can save his breath.

[JD Barleycorn]

"It's funny how republicans don't support anything that will help improve the average American- you favor low minimum wage or rather think increase minim wage is wrong- you don't support equal pay for women- and seems like you don't support students getting a 2 year break on college. "

I started a post about how Jimmy Fallon tweeted something about the Republican party that was just not true and now you repeat the sin (and you were doing to well). Republicans support a strong military and national defense....that supports the average American. The Republican party supports a vibrant economy which supports the average American. Raising the minimum wage by government fiat has been show repeatedly to increase unemployment among the least skilled workers. What does the Democratic party have against young people entering the work force that it kills the jobs that they start on? The old saw about equal pay for women has been shown to be pretty outdated and very inaccurate. Try not to use that any more for justification. Women tend to work less hours, have shorter careers, and less continuous time on the job than men and that more than bias has something to do with any pay inequitity. Besides trying to hit below the belt, you're straying from the OP.

[bigcockpussylicker]

Originally Posted by JD Barleycorn

A scholarship has to be qualified for and maintained. I believe I heard Obama say that a 2.5 (or was it 2.3) GPA was enough to qualify...

Do your kids tell you how to spend your money or what to buy?

I think this nation would be better off if you had to pass a test or someone earn the right to vote, aka starship troopers

but I also think if so many people wouldnt join the armed force, then USA wouldnt police the world and we would have better lives

[Whirlaway]

Yep....agree wholeheartedly!

I would add.....

There is no reason to rush into college immediately after high school. More importantly, there is no reason for young people to leave home and attend schools they can't afford. Get a job, live at home, go to school part time, and figure things out a bit before jumping into $20,000+/year debt for tuition, room and board.

The whole paradigm of college years needs to be reconfigured. Throwing more money the problem isn't the solution.

Originally Posted by TxTo

This is a bad idea.

I'm a political moderate. I have no axe to grind with either side. I support gun rights, a strong military, fiscal responsibility and marriage equality. I never vote straight ticket. I'm also a management employee and a combat veteran. Unbiased enough for everyone?

Too many people go to college. As a society, we've grown to expect that everyone is college material. That's not the case. As a result, we've lost respect for skilled jobs that don't require a degree. I run a manufacturing plant. We are struggling to fill maintence and machine operator positions. Kids today see plumbing and electrical work as beneath them. Want to shore up the middle class? Invest in blue collar skill training.

[SpeedRacerXXX]

Originally Posted by TxTo

Too many people go to college. As a society, we've grown to expect that everyone is college material. That's not the case. As a result, we've lost respect for skilled jobs that don't require a degree. I run a manufacturing plant. We are struggling to fill maintence and machine operator positions. Kids today see plumbing and electrical work as beneath them. Want to shore up the middle class? Invest in blue collar skill training.

Well said. My wife is a HS teacher. Her opinion is that Bush's "No child left behind" was ridiculous. It actually inhibited the education process. Not every child is made for college -- plain and simple. Not every student is equal.

[SpeedRacerXXX]

Originally Posted by Whirlaway

Yep....agree wholeheartedly!

I would add.....

There is no reason to rush into college immediately after high school. More importantly, there is no reason for young people to leave home and attend schools they can't afford. Get a job, live at home, go to school part time, and figure things out a bit before jumping into $20,000+/year debt for tuition, room and board.

The whole paradigm of college years needs to be reconfigured. Throwing more money the problem isn't the solution.

I don't disagree but many see community colleges as the solution. Affordable even today without incentives. Made for those students who maybe underachieved in HS and simply aren't ready for the rigors of a 4-year college. Made for those who are unsure what they want to do for a career. Allows the student to even work full-time, or at least part-time while going to school. Go to community college for a couple of years and figure out if college is really for you, then if the answer is yes, move on to a 4-year college. If not, you haven't broken the bank with tuition.

[gnadfly]

Originally Posted by wellendowed1911

Well can't say I can argue with you- as I mentioned on paper it sounds great- you have at least the opportunity to give people a chance to obtain a good education or even prepare them for a 4 year degree, but I think there would have to be strings attached- for example if you flunk out- you pay back whatever the tuition rate and on the flip side if you perhaps finish with a certain average perhaps - you get a heavily reduced rate or low interest rate......

I can tell by reading thru this thread that few if any of you folks have kids who have been in college recently. Filling out the FAISCA will give even the above average income family a lot money in grants and loans. Filling out the Federal Income tax form will recover a lot of the tuition and books cost. Going to community college for any young American isn't a problem with a small amount of support from their parent(s).

Originally Posted by wellendowed1911

Medical students have an average debt of $200,000- which IMHO should be a crime. So if we have a system where a student can come out of school 200,000 in the red- we should have a system set up where students who want to go to school don't have to worry about the financial burden.

Don't worry about medical students even with Obamacare. A co worker's wife has been practicing for a few years. She gets offers weekly to come work as a lap band installer making $500K+ a year.

The crime is the "99%ers" who graduate from college who can't find a job in their major or the job pays so low that it doesn't justify the cost of college. This isn't just "Social Work" majors. Later this year you'll find PetE's who spent the last 6 years in college with a pretty good GPA have trouble finding a good job.

Originally Posted by I B Hankering

This is another of Odumbo's political ploys to agitate and divide the citizenry. If Odumbo sincerely thought this was a good idea, he could have possibly pushed it through a dim-retard Congress during his first two years, but that's not a given. A similar Odumbo proposal was rejected by the dim-retard Congress in 2010.

Again what I find funny is that community college is basically free anyway but the low information voters don't realize it. Just sellin' hope to dopes!

Originally Posted by txexetoo

What has the price of gas have to do with Obama ?? It's fucking ridiculous to even mention it

It didn't take long for WE to hijack his own thread again?

Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX

Well said. My wife is a HS teacher. Her opinion is that Bush's "No child left behind" was ridiculous. It actually inhibited the education process. Not every child is made for college -- plain and simple. Not every student is equal.

Totally agree! And some of these colleges have degrees that aren't worth the paper they are printed on. My parents banker said they were paying $40K a year so their daughter could major in Music at TCU.

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX

My wife is a HS teacher.

I thought she was a flight attendant. Or is that her "extra job"?

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by gnadfly

... parents banker said they were paying $40K a year so their daughter could major in Music at TCU.

Always that TCU and Baylor girls were fun.

[SpeedRacerXXX]

Originally Posted by LexusLover

I thought she was a flight attendant. Or is that her "extra job"?

No idea where you got that from. Does not live in Clarksville either, wherever that is.

[Guest092216]

Why can't we adopt a mandatory 2yrs of military service like our wannabe socialist, European counterparts? We seem to want to adopt every other government and social program they have. Why not that?

And no I don't agree with free two years of community college. When is Washington gonna stop selling shit as "free"? While I don't particularly like having to pay off my student loans, half of my education was still paid thru pell grants and scholarships. What Obama's advisors forgot to mention in that speech is that the costs of college tuition can be reduced significantly if you apply for the programs and scholarships already out there.

[SpeedRacerXXX]

Originally Posted by thathottnurse

Why can't we adopt a mandatory 2yrs of military service like our wannabe socialist, European counterparts? We seem to want to adopt every other government and social program they have. Why not that?

Well, at one time we had a somewhat mandatory 2 years of military service here in the U.S. It was called "the draft". I was politely asked to spend 2 years in the army (almost got drafted into the marines) without an option to decline the invitation.