Analysts Didn't Believe Bin Laden Was Buried At Sea

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Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

So why did Stratfor send those emails?

To make sure you had something to do on a boring Monday night?

Bin Laden is a Walker. Everybody knows this. Everybody.

[i'va biggen]

Originally Posted by JD Barleycorn

You don't have to prove a negative shitbrick. You have to prove that he is dead. Iran announced that they launched a monkey into space and got him back alive. Do you believe that story? Afterall their "president" said it was true, their state sponsored media said it was true, it was on the Internet but some people have their doubts based on Irans track history of exaggerated claims.

Ok the Seal team 6 lied the Navy lied prove it ass wipe.

[Guest032516]

Originally Posted by acp5762

This link has info far more believable than what are Government has been telling us.
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHART...ebinladens.php

That link is a bunch of bullshit.

The fake dead Bin Laden photos shown on that website were posted on the Internet and send around in e-mails by ordinary assholes playing around with Photoshop. Yet the video claims - with giving ANY proof - that the fake photos were circulated by the FBI or CIA or the White House.

The truth is that the government refuses to release ANY Bin Laden photos because they don't want to enrage even more Islamic terrorists. But a lot of jerks are not satisfied with that, they actually want to stir up shit. So they fill in the gaps by creating their own fake Bin Laden photos to satisfy the morbid curiosity of other assholes. And now still other jerks swear that those fake photos are evidence of a government coverup.

Childish and disgusting.

Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

Good find, acp! Thanks!

You would be satisfied by that level of nonsense.

Originally Posted by JD Barleycorn

You don't have to prove a negative shitbrick. You have to prove that he is dead. Iran announced that they launched a monkey into space and got him back alive. Do you believe that story? After all their "president" said it was true, their state sponsored media said it was true, it was on the Internet but some people have their doubts based on Irans track history of exaggerated claims.

OK, so what level of proof WOULD satisfy you that OBL was dead?

Because there has to be something that you would accept, otherwise you are just pretending to be seeking the truth. If there is nothing that would satisfy you, then you essentially have an unshakeable pseudo-religious belief that cannot be shaken by empirical evidence. So it is a waste of time discussing anything with you.

So spell it out specifically. How about the ACTUAL photos taken by the SEALs? If a court ordered them to be released, would that be good enough? But how would you know that those were not also fake?

[CuteOldGuy]

Right now, all we have is the government's word on the story. Pardon me if that's not good enough. Government lies. And if we were really concerned about not further enraging the Muslim world, we would quit bombing them indiscriminately. Or releasing stupid videos, or quit trying to run guns to the one side of the terrorists, etc. etc. etc.

[Guest032516]

Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

Right now, all we have is the government's word on the story. Pardon me if that's not good enough. Government lies. And if we were really concerned about not further enraging the Muslim world, we would quit bombing them indiscriminately. Or releasing stupid videos, or quit trying to run guns to the one side of the terrorists, etc. etc. etc.

OK. Then I will ask YOU the same question. What level of proof WOULD satisfy you that OBL was dead?

And seeing as how the only witnesses to his death were government agents (i.e., military or CIS), you are going to be stuck with accepting the word of somebody from the government. There is NO independent 3rd party eyewitness who can testify to the contrary.

[TheDaliLama]

OBL is still alive and he owns Horndogs.

[CuteOldGuy]

Originally Posted by ExNYer

OK. Then I will ask YOU the same question. What level of proof WOULD satisfy you that OBL was dead?

And seeing as how the only witnesses to his death were government agents (i.e., military or CIS), you are going to be stuck with accepting the word of somebody from the government. There is NO independent 3rd party eyewitness who can testify to the contrary.

Cool how that works, isn't it? It's nice to be king. You can make up anything, and discredit anyone who questions it. If the government had a history of integrity and honesty, it would be different. But it doesn't, and it's not.

Like I said. It's nice to be king, no matter what it pays.

[acp5762]

Originally Posted by ExNYer

That link is a bunch of bullshit.

The fake dead Bin Laden photos shown on that website were posted on the Internet and send around in e-mails by ordinary assholes playing around with Photoshop. Yet the video claims - with giving ANY proof - that the fake photos were circulated by the FBI or CIA or the White House.

The truth is that the government refuses to release ANY Bin Laden photos because they don't want to enrage even more Islamic terrorists. But a lot of jerks are not satisfied with that, they actually want to stir up shit. So they fill in the gaps by creating their own fake Bin Laden photos to satisfy the morbid curiosity of other assholes. And now still other jerks swear that those fake photos are evidence of a government coverup.

Childish and disgusting.


You would be satisfied by that level of nonsense.


OK, so what level of proof WOULD satisfy you that OBL was dead?

Because there has to be something that you would accept, otherwise you are just pretending to be seeking the truth. If there is nothing that would satisfy you, then you essentially have an unshakeable pseudo-religious belief that cannot be shaken by empirical evidence. So it is a waste of time discussing anything with you.

So spell it out specifically. How about the ACTUAL photos taken by the SEALs? If a court ordered them to be released, would that be good enough? But how would you know that those were not also fake?

They didn't take photos cause the Seals didn't know who they really killed anyway. It sure wasn't Bin Laden if he died in 2002.

[Guest032516]

Originally Posted by acp5762

They didn't take photos cause the Seals didn't know who they really killed anyway. It sure wasn't Bin Laden if he died in 2002.

Really? Who says they didn't take photos? Were you there?

I see photos and videos all over the Internet of combat footage taken by the troops involved.

So, where is your PROOF that they did NOT take photos. The books that were released on the Bin Laden raid indicate that the SEALs DID take photos. And those photos are being kept by the government.

That si the testimony of the actual eyewitnesses. Who do you have besides conspiracy mongering websites.

[acp5762]

Originally Posted by ExNYer

Really? Who says they didn't take photos? Were you there?

I see photos and videos all over the Internet of combat footage taken by the troops involved.

So, where is your PROOF that they did NOT take photos. The books that were released on the Bin Laden raid indicate that the SEALs DID take photos. And those photos are being kept by the government.

That si the testimony of the actual eyewitnesses. Who do you have besides conspiracy mongering websites.

You might see photos and videos of Combat Footage, but thats all you're seeing. You have no real knowledge of what they discovered or what they saw. You're only going by what the Government tells you. You and all the others are going to believe what the Government proposes to be true because they are the Government, not because what they report is accurate.

[Guest032516]

Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

Cool how that works, isn't it? It's nice to be king. You can make up anything, and discredit anyone who questions it. If the government had a history of integrity and honesty, it would be different. But it doesn't, and it's not.

Is cynicism supposed to be evidence of something?

Is the military supposed to bring reporters along with them everywhere they go to be disinterested observers? OH WAIT. You don't trust the mainstream media, either, do you? So is the military supposed to bring the operators of conspiracy websites, like Alex Jones, along with them everywhere they go so that the conspiracy nuts can tell us what REALLY happened?

I understand skepticism towards government, but not cynicism. The government releases literally billions of reports every year just in due course and 99+% of them are not only true, but aren't even worth distorting. The fact that politicians at the very top sometimes suppress or distort reports doesn't mean the whole thing is useless.

The government also provides us with pictures from weather satellites. Does that mean you disregard hurricane or tornado warnings until you can actually SEE the hurricane or tornado yourself?

The CDC also gathers and collates information about infectious diseases. Does that mean you disregard CDC reports of gonorrhea outbreaks until after LovingKayla gives it to you?

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Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

Right now, all we have is the government's word on the story. Pardon me if that's not good enough. Government lies. And if we were really concerned about not further enraging the Muslim world, we would quit bombing them indiscriminately. Or releasing stupid videos, or quit trying to run guns to the one side of the terrorists, etc. etc. etc.

As I said before seal team 6 lied the Navy lied prove it

[Guest032516]

Originally Posted by acp5762

You might see photos and videos of Combat Footage, but thats all you're seeing. You have no real knowledge of what they discovered or what they saw.

Neither do you. So what made you say they do NOT have pictures of OBL? That is an affirmative statement of fact. What is it based on?

Originally Posted by acp5762

You're only going by what the Government tells you. You and all the others are going to believe what the Government proposes to be true because they are the Government, not because what they report is accurate.

Everybody has to go by what the government tells them because ONLY the government was there (i.e., CIA and military) - at least for our side.

Now, Osama's family was there, too. And at least some of them saw OBL get popped in the head - or not. Have you heard any reports from his widow or kids that the military took him away alive? Isn't it rather curious that they have not been demanding that he be returned to Pakistan - or at least given a public trial? Perhaps they are not making those demands because they saw Osama get shot in the head and was most of his skull blown off?

So again, what EVIDENCE do you have that he was NOT killed or that photos were NOT taken? And cynically saying "The government lies" is NOT evidence. That's just your general opinion.

[CuteOldGuy]

Like I said, it's good to be king. I'm glad you love the government, ExNYer. But if you are convinced that they never lie, you've already overdosed on the Kool Aid.

[Guest032516]

Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

Like I said, it's good to be king. I'm glad you love the government, ExNYer. I guess you didn't read Post #47 above, huh? I do not love government. But if you are convinced that they never lie, you've already overdosed on the Kool Aid. Again, refer to Post #47 above. I do not say I thought the government never lies.

And YOU still have NOT answered my question above. What proof of OBL's death would you accept?