Global Warming - It's Complicated

[SEE3772]

[JD Barleycorn]

Does anyone know what a sine wave is? Look it up. It is used commonly to show a changing value over time ie.; electricity, temperatures, pressure, etc. Think of an electrical sine wave. It usually covers a second or fraction thereof. If you could see it with your bare eyes then you would see normal voltage go from one extreme value to another extreme value in 1/60 of a second. Translation: 60 cycle electricity. You know what we feel or use in our day to day life? About 70.7% of the peak value or the RMS value. What does this have to do with climate change you ask? Okay, here we go. We feel the RMS value and not the positive peaks or the negative peaks that occur every second. The climate also has a sine wave but it stretches it over thousands of years and it is localized. You cannot predict the weather on the on side of the planet from reading obtained here. If you visually back away from a sine wave it starts to look more and more flat. The same is true of the climate. We with our limited life span of a hundred years experience a very small part of the climate sine wave. We may find ourselves on a downward slope and think "new ice age" but we are long gone when the bottom is reached and reverses. The people of that time will think "global warming" because they are only capable of seeing the upward trend. Only if you back away about 100,000 years do you see the ups and downs that have been occuring since the beginning. Remember it is also localized. 1300 BC saw a climate disaster in the Mediterranean and Middle East but nothing like it in the far East, South America, or Australia. Go to the American University in Jerusalem and see the desert. 3,000 years ago that desert was forest, heavy forest. It has been desert for over 2,000 years. A normal human would tell you that it has ALWAYS been desert but that is not true. In 2,000 years it may well be forest again. Our lifespans are too short for anecdotal evidence.

[bojulay]

Originally Posted by acp5762

Is it really Global Warming or a new Ice Age


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/ar...-hysteria.html

More like a new business model.

[bojulay]

Here is a whole 9 part interview for you lazy ass's.
Robert W Felix, author of not by fire but by ice.

I should probably just let you all freeze.

ha ha ha ha

[BigLouie]

My point is that global warming is not entirely correct what is happening is climate change and in our case, not for the better. Even people who try to dispute the so called "global warming" do so with models that show that the climate changes over time. Is it going to get extremely cold or extremely hot, past models show that it is going to do both at some point.

[JCM800]

Originally Posted by acp5762

Definitely listen to George Carlin

good advice for anyone

[Guest123018-4]

I am a firm believer in "climate change". This is something that has been going on forever. I do not believe that man is changing the climate in any significant fashion nor will he.

[Sidewinder]

Originally Posted by BigLouie

The climate is changing, almost all scientist in the world agree to that fact. The oceans are also changing which is linked to the change. This scientist agree to also. Find me one person who says the oceans and the climate are the same as it was 50-60 years ago.

BigLouie, find me one paleontologist who says that the oceans and the climate today are the same as they were 1 million, 5 million, 10 million, 50 million years ago.

Climate changes. Period.

Historically, Man has had very, very little, if anything, to do with the changes.

[essence]

Originally Posted by Sidewinder

Historically, Man has had very, very little, if anything, to do with the changes.

Prediction is very hard, especially when it is about the future.

Past performance is no basis for prediction about future performance.

Try the null hypothesis.

Are you 100% sure that man made effects will have negligible effect on future weather?

[TheDaliLama]

Originally Posted by BigLouie

Try telling that to the polar bears. The climate is changing and almost all scientist in the world agree to that.

The polar is an adaptation of a brown bear and there are more polar bears than ever.

I don't know about your claim that almost all scientists agree about "climate change" due to made man CO2 either. Many of those scientists believe any climate change, if any....are caused by solar flares.

[acp5762]

This video illustrates just what a crock Al Gore and all his pseudoscientific crap is.
http://youtu.be/D9iVcGlnwzw

[Jackie S]

As with most things, if you want to know what is really going on, just follow the money.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...250205490.html

[Whirlaway]

The polar bear population is doing very well;

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...rticle4099460/

Originally Posted by BigLouie

Try telling that to the polar bears. The climate is changing and almost all scientist in the world agree to that.

Of course climate changes; that is not in dispute; but to say it is man made warming that warrants global attack on hydrocarbons is a lie.

[BigLouie]

Originally Posted by Whirlaway

The polar bear population is doing very well;

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...rticle4099460/





Of course climate changes; that is not in dispute; but to say it is man made warming that warrants global attack on hydrocarbons is a lie.

Really, where did I say that say that man made warming warrants global attack on hydrocarbons? And you should read the article you put up links to.

Prof. Derocher also said some details in the survey pointed to a bear population in trouble. For example, the survey identified 50 cubs, which are usually less than 10 months old, and 22 yearlings, roughly 22 months old. That’s nearly one-third the number required for a healthy population, he said. “This is a clear indication that this population is not sustaining itself in any way, shape, or form.”

[Whirlaway]

Globally polar bear populations are on the rise...........


I never said you called for attacks on hydrocarbons..........but many ecoliars do. Obama being one.