Patriots are CHEATERS!

[macbeth1000]

Originally Posted by Whirlaway

Your moral judgement is very poor; the standard isn't "what difference does it make, the cheater was gonna win anyway"....




Your faith in NFL Commissioner Goodell to do the right thing is stupefying.

Moral judgement hahaa surely you jest. You another cowboys fan thinking that this incident would bring the cowboys back to play the super bowel lol Amazing.. dude can you prove that someone in the NE's team deflated the balls, thats one and second - then can you say that such deflation lead to their win.... sadly the answer is No, therefore take your pictures with your nonsense insinuation that the NFL commission and therefore the NFL are in NE's pockets. Grab a beer and sit down and watch the best teams in the league play for the superbowel and sadly the cowboys will not be there.

[Whirlaway]

I am not a Cowboys fan. I have zero interest in the NFL. Mostly because of thinking like you express (usually made by Homers).

You are the one making the argument that even if the NE Patriots did cheat; it is meaningless since they would have won anyways. In other words, the act of cheating doesn't matter because it didn't give the team a competitive advantage and the outcome would have been the same (no one can say with certainty what the outcome would be with a legally inflated ball).

That is a fucked up moral stance.

Originally Posted by macbeth1000

Even if the balls were not inflated correctly..the question is would this have caused an advantage over the colts to effect the outcome of the game.... COMEEEEE on we all know the answer is No - the Colts got their ass handed to them ---This had nothing to do with ball pressure size, they were outclassed, out matched and slapped around.


Moral judgement hahaa surely you jest. You another cowboys fan thinking that this incident would bring the cowboys back to play the super bowel lol Amazing.. dude can you prove that someone in the NE's team deflated the balls, thats one and second - then can you say that such deflation lead to their win.... sadly the answer is No, therefore take your pictures with your nonsense insinuation that the NFL commission and therefore the NFL are in NE's pockets. Grab a beer and sit down and watch the best teams in the league play for the superbowel and sadly the cowboys will not be there.

[macbeth1000]

Originally Posted by Whirlaway

I am not a Cowboys fan. I have zero interest in the NFL. Mostly because of thinking like you express (usually made by Homers).

You are the one making the argument that even if the NE Patriots did cheat; it is meaningless since they would have won anyways. In other words, the act of cheating doesn't matter because it didn't give the team a competitive advantage and the outcome would have been the same (no one can say with certainty what the outcome would be with a legally inflated ball).

That is a fucked up moral stance.

No wrong again sherlock. I am saying prove that they cheated and after you prove that they cheated before saying that they are guilty and then going further..at this late stage, would a correctly inflated ball have changed the outcome of the game... the answer is clearly No.

How does one prove that NE approved the deflated balls and then it helped them win the game or have an unfair advantage?

[Whirlaway]

You said "even if"..............You (and patriot homers) are the only one's contending that the 11 footballs were not intentionally deflated. Neither Brady nor Belichick are saying it wasn't intentional. For someone who is defending the NEP win because of the scoring; you seem to ignore the obvious statistic that would prove deflating the ball was intentional - 11 game balls below the PSI requirement. The footballs were deemed ok by the refs 2 hours before the game. Someone let the air out of the footballs AFTER official inspection. That's a no brainer.


You obviously are ethically challenged. By your own statement you said "even if" the balls were deflated, the cheating makes no difference because the Pats slaughtered the Colts".....you are dismissing the cheating. The final score is irrelevant to the ethical issue of cheating and the integrity of the game.

And you have no way of knowing the outcome of a game that was never played.

In addition, it is highly likely that the NE Pats cheated in other NFL games this season. Games in which ball deflation may have played a factor as well. All the more reason the penalty should be very harsh. But it won't be.

[Super Sonic]

Originally Posted by atf searcher

Yes it's one of the strangest rules in sports, each team prepares and maintains the balls that are used when their own offensive unit is on the field.

Wow, if true, that's just begging for cheating. Of course they are going to want to tailor the ball to their offensive liking, which does make Tom Terrific look more guilty. The quick and easy fix for that is to throw all the balls in one batch for random retrieval regardless of who is on offense or defense.

But, it's still a non-issue as to who won the game. Hell, the Patriots just went of in the second half which is by all accounts when the balls were all returned to normal pressure.

[macbeth1000]

Originally Posted by Whirlaway

You said "even if"..............You (and patriot homers) are the only one's contending that the 11 footballs were not intentionally deflated. Neither Brady nor Belichick are saying it wasn't intentional. For someone who is defending the NEP win because of the scoring; you seem to ignore the obvious statistic that would prove deflating the ball was intentional - 11 game balls below the PSI requirement. The footballs were deemed ok by the refs 2 hours before the game. Someone let the air out of the footballs AFTER official inspection. That's a no brainer.


You obviously are ethically challenged. By your own statement you said "even if" the balls were deflated, the cheating makes no difference because the Pats slaughtered the Colts".....you are dismissing the cheating. The final score is irrelevant to the ethical issue of cheating and the integrity of the game.

And you have no way of knowing the outcome of a game that was never played.

In addition, it is highly likely that the NE Pats cheated in other NFL games this season. Games in which ball deflation may have played a factor as well. All the more reason the penalty should be very harsh. But it won't be.

So in your view we should replay the game? is this what you are saying?
Like if that would change the outcome of the game... it seems you fail to grasp the concept however lets look at the Can of worms that would be opened maybe the other teams that played NE would then want their own games replayed... your cowboys included.

Maybe you should wait for the investigation to be completed and be content with knowing that nothing at this point can change. This is because its Hard to prove this unless someone in Management or a player who has a vested interest on the NE's team comes out and confesses to deflating the ball and then you can find a correlation between deflating the ball and that being the sole cause or a major factor in NE winning the game. This again is Imposssibleeeeee . Dude dont worry the cowboys shall raise again...next year each year they are getting better. Take comfort in that fact atleast.

Enjoy the super bowel

Goooo New England

and with that Peace out.

[Guest050619-1]

Amazing how so many are making such a stink over what amounts to nothing more than a "Rules Infraction / Violation". Plain and simple, that's what we're really talking about here.

Would anybody really give a rip if this story had come to light.....after the Pats had been pasted by the Colts, 45-7? C'mon....it'd be fish wrap in less than 3 days. But the Pats won going away and we have these soft, squishy footballs, to boot. Wallah....we have a story.

It's a story because there's little to no love (by the media, mostly) for the surly Bill Belicheck, isn't it? It's because Tom Brady had to know, right? Afterall, why wouldn't he....?

Proper PSI for a game ball is stated in the NFL rule book wedged between "Spearing a Defenseless Receiver", "Crack-Back Blocks" and "Pass Interference". Now mind you, this rule is not highlighted in huge flashing neon letters at the top of some kind of hallowed Ten Commandments of Thou Shalt Nots.....It's simply (another) rule and this one happens to govern specific standards that footballs should be such and such....and nothing more.

Consider this: Say a game comes and goes and the film later shows that an entire ref team missed calling a dozen or so (repeated) infractions; illegal leg whips, for instance (ie: Conrad Dobler comes to mind from past years). Now shouldn't that infraction be considered "cheating" as well? Hey, it's a ploy to gain a competitive edge over an opponent, right? Once said player saw it wasn't being called, he repeatedly committed the act, knowing full well he was breaking a rule.

It's a fine line, yes. Some will argue the Pats (ie: Belichick....Brady....Joe the Ball Boy) exercised a premeditated endeavor to gain an edge. The other stuff.....holding....clipping. ..well, that's just stuff that happens during the "heat of the battle", right? There's no premeditated plan to violate another player team if that occurs. Afterall, an illegal pick....drawn up and executed.....could never really be construed as actual cheating....can it? (note: this is meant as a "tongue-in-cheek" statement for those who look at consecutively placed words and still misinterpret their meaning).

Moving along.....so many are looking to heat up an argument, flimsy as it may be, that fits their own agenda.....to get riled up.....to find a reason to get mad about something these days. I love hearing these former players come out and get up on their soapboxes and scream about the "integrity of the game....Brady had to know, etc, etc".....and then they're the very first to be found to either be banging their best friend's wife, fudging on their taxes or thinking DUI doesn't apply to them. Cheating in real life...that stuff just happens, man. But, hey, let's don't tarnish the game please.

[pyramider]

And the Super Bowl moves on ... without the cowgirls.

[Tsmokies]

They were caught before ... Let's see if they will be held accountable this time. The Saints had to pay the price... Why not the belacheats?

[atf searcher]

Originally Posted by Tsmokies

They were caught before ... Let's see if they will be held accountable this time. The Saints had to pay the price... Why not the belacheats?

I want BELACHEATS to be the headline on the front page of the Boston Globe the day the fines and sanctions are given out.
It doesn't have anything to do with the Cowboys.

[glade55]

if theres karma, seahawks back to back !

[pyramider]

Originally Posted by Tsmokies

They were caught before ... Let's see if they will be held accountable this time. The Saints had to pay the price... Why not the belacheats?

The Saints were not cheating. In the current environment of safety the NFL is in, they got caught trying to hurt others. Not the same thing.

[atf searcher]

Originally Posted by glade55

if theres karma, seahawks back to back !

GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!

When Brady had his press conference a reporter asked his the direct question "Is Tom Brady a cheater"?
Brady's answer was not , "NO, absolutely not", or , "I did no cheat". His answer was "I don't believe so".
"I don't believe so". You've got to be kidding me. What kind of an uncommitted, wishy washy answer is that? It's no wonder that all the reporters and ex-player watching that didn't believe him.

If you were if court under oath and you were asked the question "did you committed this crime", would you respond "I don't believe so". WTF is that suppose to mean? That's hilarious.

[threepeckeredbillygoat]

Trying to hurt someone isn't cheating. Thats just being a dick.

But to offer incentives for injuries is against the rules, and is Cheating. And i believe they were offering incentives. But I could be wrong.

[pyramider]

All teams cheat. They are all looking for an advantage. Hurting another team is not cheating. The Saints' incentive plan was not strictly against the rules but the league is trying to create a safe image. An image that has 40 and 50 year old cripples and brain damaged individuals.