What is your definition of a CLOCK WATCHER?

[hotlips_houlihan]

Originally Posted by Cpalmson

To me a clock watcher is someone who is clearly in the business only for the $$$. She's the type of provider who is not likely to be GFE or into the "romance" portion of the encounter. She's the type who demands money upfront and counts it to make sure it is all there.

Every woman who actively participates in this hobby is in it for the money. If she weren't, she would be in a bar somewhere giving it away for free. Do not twist what I am saying. I am not saying she is in it only for the money. But if it weren't for the money, she wouldn't be here. Any woman who does not get the money upfront and count it (on the sly obviously) is a fool. Do you know how many envelopes have been shorted, stuffed with paper, or monopoly money, or even counterfeit bills? I'm not in this only for the money but I'm not too keen on just giving it away either. I'm a businesswoman first and foremost. That's why it's standard procedure to walk in, place the money down in open sight and excuse yourself to wash your hands. Then it doesn't feel like a business transaction, she can relax and not wonder "is he ripping me off."

Originally Posted by ANONONE

Please be sure to offer such notions as just your opinion. And for the record. . .MY OPINION. . .is that unless we are talking about a dinner date or some other special arrangement, the fee paid covers BCD action--not warm up chit chat and pillow talk after that is done out of choice, not booking. Gents should be very respectful of time, but that is a two-way street.

ATL is not giving ladies ideas. For the most part, that is how it is. From hello to goodbye. We are not salaried employees. We work by the hour. If your boss told you at the beginning of your shift to clock out at 4 but to continue to work for free until 5, you would be mad, yes? I think you would tell him to hike it up his skirt. You pay for an hour, that is what you are going to get. Now with that said, there is a very gray area with so many variables I cannot even begin to describe. Of course, I am not referring to the running a "few" minutes over scenario. A few minutes is one thing. 45 minutes is another.

A good provider will not make you feel as if you are punching a clock. A good provider will know when the time is up without allowing you to know that she knows. A good provider will also be able to "get the job done" within the specified period of time and not make you feel like you just rode a mechanical bull. A good provider will also not be taken advantage of. If you came in and took a 15 minute shower, then we got down to business for the next 45 minutes, do you really expect to have another 30 minutes of pillow talk?

When I first started in this industry, a gent scheduled a one hour session. He came in and took a 20 minute shower. Then he still expected his hour. I gave it to him, I didn't complain. But I started to get pissed when at the end, he took another 20 minute shower then stood around and chatted for 45 more minutes! I was compensated for an hour. I can guarantee you that never happened again.

Just another "Men Are From Mars, Women Are From Venus" chapter.

Originally Posted by charlestudor2005

BTW, here is an open challenge to any provider who would thinks she can give me multiple pops, and would like to try!!! If you think you can do it, PM me, and we'll communicate about it.

I don't need to PM you sir. I can say it in the open. I will gladly accept your challenge. I'm not saying I can do it. I'm saying it would be fun as hell to try!


With the best of intentions...

Meg

[lisa.lisa0302]

How many men are offended when the lady counts the money upfront. This is a discreet business is it not. When you tip a stripper, she is peeking down in some way or form seeing how much you put in her thong. Why does this makes us a clock watcher.

To answer the OP question. A clock watcher gets you in the door, grabs your money, have you drop your pants, and you better believe she has a big ass clock somewhere, constantly stares at her watch, rolls eyes impatiently, and completely mechanically during the session. Ask have you cum yet, pissed you didn't come cum and tells you hurry up. If you had not cum yet, meaning you still have that turtle effect going on, whoops times up.Later dude. I've heard many horror stories.

Its plenty of good providers out there that are not clock watchers. How about a huge thanks to the good providers who treat you right. Is that so hard to ask for around here.

Lisa

[charlestudor2005]

Originally Posted by brittanylennox

It seems that the majority of you have made up your minds on how the ladies should run their businesses.

BL--I don't disagree with most of your post. I don't even fully disagree with this statement. I would, however, like to make the point that a date is made by agreement of the parties. Your business is your business. But it doesn't exist w/o customers. So, the men here aren't trying to "run your business" as much as they are trying to describe what they believe to be their side of the agreement that is necessary to make your business operate.

Be assured, I believe you have the right to set the terms, and you have the right to say they are non-negotiable. Personally, I have never negotiated for time or rate because of the non-negotiable clause that most providers put out in their literature. And I never will. It means that there are some providers I will never see. Some, who do give discounts (even small ones) are much more likely to get my business than those who don't, under any circumstances.

But an agreement is a two-way street. Some have more input that others. That's why used car lots exist. They have a lot of negotiation capability, while there seems to be very little in escorting. So, when it appears to hobbyists that escorts are fudging on the terms that they themselves put in place, it seems extremely unfair.

So yeah, set the terms. But live up to them. This is not personal against you, because we have never met. But I have been shorted on time, by as much as 40 minutes. I've seen ladies on the rag who never told me that in advance. I've seen ladies who were late for the appointment by nearly an hour. I've been NCNSd at least twice. I've seen a lady who provided only one activity (at least she wasn't a cash n dash). And I saw a lady who showed up w/o protection and offered BBFS (thankfully, I was prepared). And I saw a lady whose snatch smelled like shit.

Yes, you have the right to run your business. But there is a point at which the kind of conduct I describe crosses the line into theft, IMHO. And no one, absolutely no one likes to feel they've been taken!!!

[hotlips_houlihan]

Originally Posted by charlestudor2005

And no one, absolutely no one likes to feel they've been taken!!!

EXACTLY! And it truly goes both directions. It's sad really, because this is such an intimate career and can be so very beneficial for both parties. But you always have that "one" that ruins it for everybody else.

Meg

[charlestudor2005]

Originally Posted by hotlips_houlihan

EXACTLY! And it truly goes both directions. It's sad really, because this is such an intimate career and can be so very beneficial for both parties. But you always have that "one" that ruins it for everybody else.

Meg

Agreed. Both sides have to be on the up and up.

[Guest031811]

Originally Posted by charlestudor2005

So yeah, set the terms. But live up to them. This is not personal against you, because we have never met. But I have been shorted on time, by as much as 40 minutes. I've seen ladies on the rag who never told me that in advance. I've seen ladies who were late for the appointment by nearly an hour. I've been NCNSd at least twice. I've seen a lady who provided only one activity (at least she wasn't a cash n dash). And I saw a lady who showed up w/o protection and offered BBFS (thankfully, I was prepared). And I saw a lady whose snatch smelled like shit.

CT: You do have really valid points in your post. But I don't consider any of them to be "clock watching". I would consider each of those "bad providing". You are very intelligent, so do you research the girl before you go and see her?


I agree 100% with Hotlips! As providers, WE LIKE WHAT WE DO!!!!! But it is truly unethical for men to call providers "clock watchers" when all we are doing is completing an activity during a set time (predetermined by the hobbyist).

Book an hour, stay and pay for the hour.

[Guest032514-1]

This is as silly as the payment thread. You are buying time and companionship. Period.

You are buying time. T. I. M. E. How you spend it is up to you. I am known not to be a clock watcher. I expect first meets to go over because of a get comfortable period.

I don't do half hours for the very reasons stated here - that most 30s ran into 60s. I ain't Payless, I don't do BOGO.

You schedule a 60 minute at 3pm, then you know 4:10 pm is the latest you need to be walking out the door.

It is not rocket science.

[MsElena]

Originally Posted by charlestudor2005

So yeah, set the terms. But live up to them. This is not personal against you, because we have never met. But I have been shorted on time, by as much as 40 minutes. I've seen ladies on the rag who never told me that in advance. I've seen ladies who were late for the appointment by nearly an hour. I've been NCNSd at least twice. I've seen a lady who provided only one activity (at least she wasn't a cash n dash). And I saw a lady who showed up w/o protection and offered BBFS (thankfully, I was prepared). And I saw a lady whose snatch smelled like shit.

Yes, you have the right to run your business. But there is a point at which the kind of conduct I describe crosses the line into theft, IMHO. And no one, absolutely no one likes to feel they've been taken!!!

Darlin', that behavior is continously rewarded by men who know this behavior exists, but will still go see her. If the guys keep seeing someone like that, the lady will continue to do so.

I get NC/NS sometimes, but I suck it up because it comes with the terrority. Do I like it? NO. But, business is business. I have clients who run late or have to cancel last minute, I hate it, but it happens. Its the nature of the beast, sort of speak.

But, to get back on topic.......we're all using each other for something. The thing we have to keep in mind though is that this truly is a business. Now, how a provider runs her business is up to her and how she runs it is going to determine if a client will come back to her again.

Myself, I will count my money before the session starts. Let's face it, for every good guy out there, there's bad guys who will try to short a provider. You can't fault us for that. When you go to a store to buy food, shoes or clothes, you have to pay upfront and they count it before you receive your goods. Basic business policy.

As for clock watching, I can't say anything different from what some of the other ladies have already said. We may not have a 9 to 5 job, but some of us do keep schedules and have other things to do. Its not fair to us to allow a guy to pay for an hour and stay 90 minutes or 2 hours. Hell, if you go see a therapist and you pay for an hour of therapy, they'll give you ONE HOUR and that's it.

We all need to remember something, treat each other with respect. Treat people the way you want to be treated. It is a business, but it doesn't have to feel like so if you respect the rules of the game.

[charlestudor2005]

Originally Posted by charlestudor2005

So yeah, set the terms. But live up to them. This is not personal against you, because we have never met. But I have been shorted on time, by as much as 40 minutes. I've seen ladies on the rag who never told me that in advance. I've seen ladies who were late for the appointment by nearly an hour. I've been NCNSd at least twice. I've seen a lady who provided only one activity (at least she wasn't a cash n dash). And I saw a lady who showed up w/o protection and offered BBFS (thankfully, I was prepared). And I saw a lady whose snatch smelled like shit.

Originally Posted by brittanylennox

CT: You do have really valid points in your post. But I don't consider any of them to be "clock watching". I would consider each of those "bad providing". You are very intelligent, so do you research the girl before you go and see her?

Book an hour, stay and pay for the hour.

To a certain extent, yes, I hijacked the thread. But I look at time like you would look at time. You are ready at a certain time, and so am I. You have committed a certain amount of time to the session, and so have I. So, the lady that was late by nearly an hour, I consider she cost me time (my time is important too, and I try to schedule correctly). And the lady who shorted me by 40 minutes was also a time issue. And because I prepare before a session, I consider the NCNS occurrences to have cost me time also. Now, I don't charge for my time, but my time is valuable and I allocate it accordingly. When a provider wastes my time (even through the examples I've given), I believe they have played fast and loose with time. And although that is not necessarily "clock-watching" per se, time is time.

Yes, I try to research before a date. The lady who shorted me 40 minutes was reviewed very highly before me and after me. But she was also the one on the rag, and I think she was anxious to get out of there. She should have been honest enough in the first place. The one who showed up nearly an hour late was reviewed highly also. I will say the NCNSs were ones I took a chance on. Nevertheless, I learned from all these things. Which is why I only do outcalls now. At least if I get NCNSd I have never left my place of abode and traveled all over creation waiting for cell instructions.

[CassidyBlue]

[quote=ANONONE;159732]ATL. . .that is not gospel. Please be sure to offer such notions as just your opinion.


It is funny you bring that up. Because see, when folks like you try to make up "rules" it gives ladies some very ridiculous ideas. For instance, I once had a rather nasty exchange with a lady over this kind of silliness, that I think gents like you cause through enabling provider avarice.

I don't know about down south, but up here the drive-in is an endangered species:

Just as one of the last auto theaters in the area was closing, I thought it would be nice to relive the past one time and go for the movie experience. I even found one of my regular providers that was willing to do the poodle skirt and bobby socks costume:

She was really into the idea and I thought it would be awesome until we began to negotiate a price for this unique session. Her normal rate was $150.00 (this was a few years back). We were planning on just meeting there and pulling her car along side and jumping into my truck which had tinted windows and bedding in the back--I even thought about renting a van. It was less than four miles from her home, and a shorter commute than an outcall or incall, but she said she would have to charge me her prep time--dolling up in the poodle skirt, and drive time--one hour. Then when she checked the movie listing she said that for two movies and intermission, it would be about five hours. Then her drive home and clean up would be an hour, so the total date would be charged as seven hours, but she would cut me a "break" and only charge me $850.00.

When I choked back the profanity and calmly explained, I only wanted an hour session, and while I was willing to pay a little bit extra for the unique experience, that was more than I was prepared to pay for one hour. She began to argue about all the prep time and the time for watching the movies with me--not what I asked for--and seemed to want to debate the issue. I calmly explained that she was free to stay and watch the movies if she chooses, I wasn't really expecting that price structure. In fact, I wasn't sure I would stay and watch both movies. I explained it was more about the genre and the location--not the movies. She protested and said she really had wanted to see both movies for a while and wanted that to be a part of the date. WTF???

Not only did I not book for the special date, her attitude pissed me off so bad, I never booked a regular incall or outcall with her again.

That is shame, because I have always thought it would be hot to do this.

Instead I wrote a story off the fantasy, sold it for a couple hundred bucks to a magazine, and went and saw two other providers that I knew she disliked and wrote some of my best reviews ever--they were justified, but I took extra time on them and made them fantastic.

My point to all this is, that perhaps more than anything else, this clock watching attitude will bring out the rat bastard in even the nicest guy.

On the flip side, I have had several great experiences with providers that just wanted to do something different than the hotel scene. In fact, one lady met me for a late fall weeknight camping session. We had the whole park to ourselves. We had so much fun playing by the campfire, in the camper, and then in the deserted shower house that she ended up staying one more night. Price tag: $500.00 for essentially an extended overnight and several rounds of furious woodland play and she refused a dime more, saying it was so much fun she would love to do it again, some time.

It goes to show you that there really are two different types of ladies out there.

We never got the chance to do anything that elaborate again before she retired, but I did see her regularly. What so many ladies fail to see is that sometimes they can gain more in the end by making the customer happy. While I would never attempt to tell a lady how to do her business plan, I would think repeat business is important to all providers.

And for the record. . .MY OPINION. . .is that unless we are talking about a dinner date or some other special arrangement, the fee paid covers BCD action--not warm up chit chat and pillow talk after that is done out of choice, not booking.

Gents should be very respectful of time, but that is a two-way street. If we went with ATL's code, I m afraid there would be some ladies out there that would pad the session with a great deal of wasted time in hopes of guilting a gent into an paying for an extended session.[/quote]


With my gents, I often chit chat, visit, pillow talk, laugh and play. So, these activities should be separated into "time increments" and I should spend extra time performing the act to make up for the greeting, pillow talk and cuddling? I don't think so.

I truly believe the gentlemen I see appreciate me as a whole person, not just a couple of orifices.

I seriously think you sir, are in the minority on this one.

[Guest031811]

CT-

I am in no way saying that those ladies had treated you correctly. I am calling what they did , "bad providing". I consider "clock watching" for a woman to repeatedly checking the clock during the session. OR, as some people have said, a woman constantly REMINDING you that you have 20, 15,10, 5 minutes left and to "hurry up and cum already" (this is unacceptable behavior).

"Clock watching" is a subset of "bad providing".

[charlestudor2005]

Originally Posted by MsElena

Myself, I will count my money before the session starts. Let's face it, for every good guy out there, there's bad guys who will try to short a provider. You can't fault us for that. When you go to a store to buy food, shoes or clothes, you have to pay upfront and they count it before you receive your goods. Basic business policy.

As for clock watching, I can't say anything different from what some of the other ladies have already said. We may not have a 9 to 5 job, but some of us do keep schedules and have other things to do. Its not fair to us to allow a guy to pay for an hour and stay 90 minutes or 2 hours. Hell, if you go see a therapist and you pay for an hour of therapy, they'll give you ONE HOUR and that's it.

We all need to remember something, treat each other with respect. Treat people the way you want to be treated. It is a business, but it doesn't have to feel like so if you respect the rules of the game.

I don't have a problem w/ counting the $$ ahead of time. It is always on the table when the escort arrives. Trust is a 2-way street. As Pres. Reagan used to say, "Trust, but verify." So, I don't have a problem having the $$ counted.

Time is precious. Not only do providers have things to do, but so do the gents. So please, be on time, and stay the allotted time. No more, no less.

I agree, this is a business that also needs respect.

[charlestudor2005]

Originally Posted by brittanylennox

CT-

I am in no way saying that those ladies had treated you correctly. I am calling what they did , "bad providing". I consider "clock watching" for a woman to repeatedly checking the clock during the session. OR, as some people have said, a woman constantly REMINDING you that you have 20, 15,10, 5 minutes left and to "hurry up and cum already" (this is unacceptable behavior).

"Clock watching" is a subset of "bad providing".

OK. Guess I define it much broader.

[atlcomedy]

@ ANON - if you can't manage your session (chit chat, drink, showers) effectively, either get better at it or hire a better class of gal. Assume you have an hour session (assume she is giving you your full hour), so you spend 5 minutes talking and have a glass of wine....manage it...don't let it turn into half an hour....but not a big deal...manage it. Own your time. If she lingers beyond the prearranged time and says "hey how bout another drink" be direct and tell her your happy to have her stay but it is off the clock. Bottomline - be a good guy, but own your time.

[Guest053011]

I'm not even remotely a clock-watcher, however, I think it's distasteful for a gentlemen to book time with the intent to try and see how long he can get a lady to stay above and beyond the booking. It's manipulative, it's unkind, it abuses a woman's generosity. That kind of behaviour turns non-clock watchers into jaded clock-watchers.

What I ask for isn't just for time BCD - it does indeed include chit-chat. That's precisely why I don't offer an hour long booking, because I want to avoid those that only consider BCD time. If I find someone compelling and I don't have my Square life waiting for me to return on time for something, then I'm happy to stay longer as an act of kindness and friendship. Someone who thinks themselves a charmer and tries to manipulate has no consideration for the fact that this world provides women with financial stability. It's quite insulting. It lacks generosity, and yet expects generosity in return.

What happened to being an honest gentlemen?


Good advice:

Originally Posted by atlcomedy

don't let it turn into half an hour....but not a big deal...manage it. Own your time. If she lingers beyond the prearranged time and says "hey how bout another drink" be direct and tell her your happy to have her stay but it is off the clock. Bottomline - be a good guy