Management

[malwoody]

Originally Posted by MrNyceGuy

Wow, I guess I never realized management wouldnt give the girls anything.

Unless you are a big time game player, I suspect your lack of real understanding is borne of ignorance of the industry....but hey, at least you don't act like a know it all who would never see a provider who is "managed" and he knows this because he has always felt "safe" during the encounter..

Is she managed or not??

Clue # 1, She counts the money and/or holds the large bills up to light to check for a watermark....gotta make quota.
#2, She swears that she is not managed when questioned or even volunteers it..
#3 Even though she is good at the IOP, there is a fine line between someone who is working for management or is self employed.

To me these are the easy ones but if you really want to know the truth, see a provider who is truly self employed...she can tell you who is managed..in fact five such providers have commented here...

What usually happens next is the WKs who would never see a girl who is "managed" accuse anyone who thinks so of "ruining her business".. While my heart goes out to the LCs in the industry, I have no intention of supporting the man behind the curtain.

[MrNyceGuy]

[QUOTE=Ari816;1057191485]No my question is why does the OP want to know? I have never had a man ask me that question or probably even think it. So, why do you ask? /QUOTE]

I presume Ari816 is refering to me in that OP means Original Poster of the tread. We'll, I thought I was clear in that I was just curious and wondering. I see Pimps on TV, in movies but this is a hobby board with real ladies responding who are part of the hobby, not actresses. I also hear lots of clients mention in their reviews that they chat with the ladies in a session, sometimes about the hobby. I was curious Ari, thats all. If I struck a nerve, my apology.

Its a hobby site, in the discussion section. Any question can be asked as long as its within the sites rules. It was not asked directly towards you Ari816. I did not force ot ask you to respond. Again, if I hit a nerve, it was not intentional. To answer you though, just curiosity, thats all. Hell No, I dont want to be a pimp, I make much more an a Pimp and my income is very consistant and steady. I live a very good life without hurting anyone.

Would I ever ask a lady during a session if she had a pimp, fuck no. But on a hobby board, asking what I asked, hell yes, I have no issues asking. And I probably wouldnt know if a date was managed or not, except for what I might read on this board. I got my answer. I also got an idea what an Agency might take in their cut. That explains why I see agency reviews with a typically higher rate per hour. Are the agency girls hotter because of that? I guess that could be another tread I could start....in the discussion section of course.

Happy hobbying, be safe!

[Savannah Moon]

[QUOTE=MrNyceGuy;1057193654]

Originally Posted by Ari816

No my question is why does the OP want to know? I have never had a man ask me that question or probably even think it. So, why do you ask? /QUOTE]

I presume Ari816 is refering to me in that OP means Original Poster of the tread. We'll, I thought I was clear in that I was just curious and wondering. I see Pimps on TV, in movies but this is a hobby board with real ladies responding who are part of the hobby, not actresses. I also hear lots of clients mention in their reviews that they chat with the ladies in a session, sometimes about the hobby. I curious Ari, thats all.

Its a hobby site, in the discussion section. Any question can be asked as long as its within the sites rules. It was not asked directly towards Ari816. I did not force her to respond. She choose to. But to answer her, just curiosity, thats all. Hell No, I dont want to be a pimp, I make much more an a Pimp, live a very good life and I do that legally without hurting anyone.

Would I ever ask a lady during a session if she had a pimp, fuck no. But on a hobby board, asking what I asked, hell yes, I have no issues asking. And I got my answer. I also got an idea what an Agency might take in their cut.

Happy hobbying, be safe!

Also, generally when posting, they will preference you to text prior to calling...
Why, because you are texting their pimp.and he will make all the arrangements so he knows every detail down to the last penny. Also that is why I am refusing to give them a reference. WHY, because I am non supporter, and it isn't the provider asking for the referral it is a slime ball pimp.

[bartipero]

Actually, I saw nothing wrong with the question and the answers that were sincere we're informative. Unless you've been in a position to know the details few do. Shedding light on it may help someone avoid it. Certainly, actual experience of the ladies is more informed than someone's second hand commentary. The same could be said for trafficing girls. It's not training it's recognition. Rather than being part of the problem inadvertently, good facts in the least bring greater depth and understanding of the problem so it isn't romanticized or minimized and may make it possible to in some way avoid assisting so called management by not using that arrangement.

[bigcockpussylicker]

Originally Posted by Flybynight68

It doesn't take a gun to be pointed at ones head to quality as exploitive or abusive. There are lots of ways people, but specifically women, can be manipulated and abused.

Consider the effect on your reality if you knew nearly every person of the opposite gender could force their will upon you. A vast majority of men don't experience on that type of dynamic.

I dont have to consider the reality.
I live that reality, see
Im a guy and nearly every women can force their will upon me via manipulation
what's worse? being manipulated with kind words/touching/etc
or
phyisically?

manipulation cause who the fuck is being physically forced to do someones will?
if a person is with someone and they get physically hurt, seeing the damage is clear and the choice to move on is clear
oral manipulation, using words, is very unclear

again, you make a choice in what you do.. dont try to muddy up the issue
you can do something and when you look at the choice you made and arent happy with it, you can choose to stay or leave
exploitive or abusive.just words, what matter is what you do after
if you get hit or are scared being with someone, it's time to go...you don't go, that's a choice you make.
I used to have a rattlesnack, one time I got bit....but I yelled at him, he won't bite me again, so I'll keep petting him..........who is to blame when I get bit again?
the snake or me?
choices; make the best for yourself

[SinsOfTheFlesh]

Is she a victim.....or a volunteer?

When a new girl shows up who knows the acronyms, and knows where to advertise, where did she learn that? Ask a random woman on the street what BBBJ means and you will probably get a blank stare. This job has a hell of a learning curve. I had to ask a provider what GFE meant when I first started.

When you look at a pic in a hotel room, and the girl isn't holding the phone, who took the picture? Her Mom? Her best friend?

What are the odds that three high school girlfriends will talk amongst themselves, and mutually decide to get into providing? Most providers lead private lives, where few (if any) of their close friends and family are aware of their occupation.

Just food for thought.......

[bigcockpussylicker]

Originally Posted by SinsOfTheFlesh

Is she a victim.....or a volunteer?
..

I like how your thoughts come from a different angle, Sins.
Nice

[Guest030817]

Oh my! Someone must teach me to multi-quote.

To OP and Bartipero-First, agreed that this is an open forum for questions to be answered, but let me give you this scenario.

If I am on a race car forum because I like driving fast cars, but have no intention of repairing my own or others, what sense does it make for me to get on the forum and ask what the ins and outs are of the auto repair business?

I have never had a pimp (except the agency) but they are just like depicted, except usually not so glamorous. I actually started escorting because I figured I would take my chances with random people abusing me instead of getting the shit beat out of me at home and making fast money was my only way to really get away. Thankfully, I fell into good hands with a female run agency where this abuse did not continue, but had I not, I'm sure things would have continued.

To answer your question of hitting a trigger with me? You hit a big fucking trigger with me. I was tricked into what turned out to be an abusive marriage. So I will come right out and tell you a little Sunday afternoon story, in hopes that someone reading this will gleam a better idea into the cycle of power and control and why any woman from any background can be subject.

I have always been an independent person and certainly am now... in all aspects of my life.

The honeymoon period lasted 4 years until I had a newborn, was not working and had no transportation. It wasn't everyday, but when it happened, I was physically and mentally broken. I was too ashamed to leave the house until the bruises went away, usually weeks. It took me 4 years of isolation, and being driven to a lake, with all intentions of being murdered. I escaped and I ran barefoot through tall grass in the rain all night to get away. How did I run so injured? Where was I running to? I didn't even know where I was! I was running from death, to find a way to pick up my baby from the sitters, which was my responsibility.

I was so fucked up in the head that I didn't want to bring drama to my family, so I didn't even go to the hospital. I stitched myself up and laid in my bed traumatized, believing the lie that somehow I caused this. A day later when I couldn't breathe, because 1 of the 8 ribs that were broken or fractured, punctured my lung. Even then, I tried to protect my abuser with my black eye, busted lip, cut up feet, bruises from head to toe etc.

The hospital knew exactly what the hell had happened and I refused to admit it because I didn't want my son to have a father in jail or be taken from me as my abuser had brainwashed me into believing this would happen...and there was so much chaos and headtrash that I couldn't even think straight. The verbal abuse really helps out with the control...probably more so than the gun to the head. I am highly educated, smart, came from an upper-middle class family and am resourceful..... but even I was beaten down to a place where I was too shamed to even go in public.

You, Bigpussycocklicker, have publically displayed your lack of intelligence, inability to educate yourself or get along with others along with your lack of knowledge on the cycle of abuse. It's strongly based on power and control...psychologically. The physical part is when a woman does try to leave or threatens the control the man has over her. Glad you think it is so easy to just leave, but that's actually the time that a woman is in the greatest amount of danger. Please google the cycle of power and control...I'm sure YOU won't, just putting it out here to educate others.

I am very sorry that your mother or wife or whoever it was manipulated you so horribly that you now spit your venom onto providers. I truly mean that and can imagine several scenarios which cause men to become women haters, as well as offer some solutions to working it out, however I am quite sure it will fall on deaf ears.

Regarding terminology, totally agree with Sins.

When I started, I had to look up what the hobby meant, Guys kept talking about it and I figured they were talking about golf or something. The agency or pimps don't like girls to know about the boards, for the possibility that they will get cut out of the game, so most of the women never even see this board. When I was finally hip to it, I had to google all terminology used about me in fantasy reviews, thinking, what did he say he was dreaming of? I had no clue. So agreed, unless someone starts you in this business (almost always for their own gain) you have no idea what's going on.

I want no pity for my story. It is intended to give you an illustration that even the most independent of women can be beaten down AND that I call bullshit on your whole fucked up mentality, you need some serious help and I mean that sincerely as well. . You are a threat to all women and I would encourage anyone reading this to never see this guy. He HATES women.

I would also encourage any man to not see a woman who is pimped. She gains nothing from it but pleasing her abuser. When she is no longer a commodity, she has a better chance of getting away.

If you are in an abusive relationship, it doesn't matter what you have been told. You are the victim, not the criminal. Any women's shelter will welcome you in no matter what the circumstances are. DV can happen with a SO, pimp or client. It doesn't have to be in a house or under a roof. It can be on the street. If you need help-
please call 816-HOTLINE.

[Roboz]

Thanks Ari for sharing your story as an illustration of what can happen to even the most intelligent and grounded women when in a controlled relationship. Your was in a marriage, others in a " managed relationship". The dynamics of power, control and shame are well documented in the literature as it relates to abusive relationships. Some folks just don't get that co-dependance and fear are powerful tools for control and just walking away is difficult. There are many respectful gents in the hobby, but there are also misogynists and power seekers too. I think providers know the difference. Your advice about seeking help if you are being abused is right on.

[BirdogKC60]

Originally Posted by Ari816

If you are in an abusive relationship, it doesn't matter what you have been told. You are the victim, not the criminal. Any women's shelter will welcome you in no matter what the circumstances are. DV can happen with a SO, pimp or client. It doesn't have to be in a house or under a roof. It can be on the street. If you need help-
please call 816-HOTLINE.

Ari you have done a great job of describing abuse. My sister was married to an abuser for years and did such a good job of hiding it that no one else in the family had any idea until her abuser tried to kill her and her young child called 911. When I first found out I couldn't understand why she stayed with him or let her brother know so I could put a stop to it. She was so beat down she wouldn't go through the counseling without me being there and that counseling really opened my eyes. In the "real world" she was outgoing and very successful at her career but that was all smoke and mirrors. Abusers use FEAR and manipulation to control their victims just as you have stated. I made it my mission to learn all I could about it and try and help others in any way I could. I had NO idea how prevalent abuse really is. I read about and heard first hand from victims over and over again basically the same story my sister went through. I was such an eye opener for me. It's sad that there are still so many people who believe that it is a "choice" to be in an abusive relationship. They are either uneducated on the subject like I was or are abusers themselves!

Ari, I am so glad you survived and are able to help educate others as well as speak up for the abused. From the brother of a victim I thank you! While I agree that there are many women out there that are also abusers and most do so through some form of manipulation, the m.o. of women haters is pretty easy to see by the educated and yes they ARE dangerous!

[JS42]

Originally Posted by Ari816

Bigpussycocklicker

Thanks for sharing your story Ari...mucho respect. The part I quoted though is fucking hilarious! You go girl!!

[malwoody]

Originally Posted by JS42

Thanks for sharing your story Ari...mucho respect. The part I quoted though is fucking hilarious! You go girl!!

Good catch Amigo..

Originally Posted by Ari816

Bigpussycocklicker,

I would also encourage any man to not see a woman who is pimped. She gains nothing from it but pleasing her abuser. When she is no longer a commodity, she has a better chance of getting away.

What's frustrating is the amount of guys who are clueless....or worse just don't care..

[Wizard of Ahhhhs]

Originally Posted by Ari816

You, Bigpussycocklicker, have publically displayed your lack of intelligence

Originally Posted by JS42

The part I quoted though is fucking hilarious! You go girl!!

While I ignored bigpussycocklicker a while back, I still end up seeing his ridiculously stooopid posts when y'all quote him... and did a spit take on Ari's name for our house-ignoramous. Thanks for the smile, Ari... and thanks for sharing your story, my dear... <hugs>

Originally Posted by Ari816

Oh my! Someone must teach me to multi-quote.

I can teach ya, but it may take several one-on-one sessions. I'm a slow instructor...

[bigcockpussylicker]

Originally Posted by Ari816

Oh my! Someone must teach me to multi-quote.
The honeymoon period lasted 4 years until I had a newborn, was not working and had no transportation. It wasn't everyday, but when it happened, I was physically and mentally broken. I was too ashamed to leave the house until the bruises went away, usually weeks. It took me 4 years of isolation, and being driven to a lake, with all intentions of being murdered. I escaped and I ran barefoot through tall grass in the rain all night to get away. How did I run so injured? Where was I running to? I didn't even know where I was! I was running from death, to find a way to pick up my baby from the sitters, which was my responsibility.
.

sounds like 4 years of bad choices
Without a clear understanding of what I have experienced or know you bash me?
well, that's cool, it is an internet forum and I dont exacty share who I am ,what I'm about, I tend to be a pot-stirer and just cause emotions to run amuck, mostly frustrations as I like to say the shit no one else would. because I got nothing to lose here, unlike in real life
DNS list based on how I/guys(no names!) act on an anonymous internet forum?
sure, do it, internet persona is more valid then real world references, right?


Your story reminds of a girl I know, who got married at 19/20 (brain, (frontal lobe) matures around 25, so before that you don't yourself, much less what guy to marry for life)
but she got married and now she through away years of grad school to get a job she complains about,. and when I'm around her and him and their 2 kids(he wants a 3rd) she is not healthy, doesnt take care of herself, he doesnt take care of her and yet he wants a 3rd kid....
he will sit in his chair and watch TV and let her take care of everything....cause he can't be bothered.


it's not bad, mostly because she is stronger, faster and a bitch when she gets mad,..so he could never phyisically hurt her, but he has such a grip on her mind and controls how she feels about herself, it's really sad to see.....
and she doesnt trust him to watch the kids, last time he did the oldest went to the ER because he hurt himself.


bad choices fueled by hormones, non-logical thoughts


same with the fat people who say over and over again, how they will lose fat and get into a healthier(less cancer/diabetes risk) bodies
again, hormones(npy/grehnlin/leptin(maybe) dopamine etc cause them to overeat and not make the best choice for their happiness.


It reminds me of 2 stories
1 about a mouse and a "medicine" and the mouse would forgot, sex/food to get this "medicine" that would affect his brain chemistry and lead to bad choices.
point being, things can cause you to not use your best judgement,,...just like staying with a guy who doesnt make you feel good/phyisically/mentally hurts you for years...? no, cause a mouse can't stop and think and move past the emotions/dopamine that the "medicine" is fucking with, people can...


and the other one you have heard., I'm sure, its from Breaking BAD
ie mike when he was a cop:

Mike Ehrmantraut: I used to be a beat cop, a long time ago. I'd get called on domestic disputes all the time. Hundreds, probably, over the years. But there was this one guy, this one piece of shit that I will never forget. Gordie. He looked like Bo Svenson. You remember him? Walking Tall? You don't remember?
Walter H. White: No.
Mike Ehrmantraut: Anyway, big boy, 270, 280 but his wife or whatever she was, his lady was real small, like a bird. Wrists like little branches. Anyway, my partner and I'd get called out there every weekend and one of us would pull her aside and say: "Come on, tonight's the night we press charges." This wasn't one of those "deep down, he loves me" setups. We got a lot of those, but not this. This girl was scared. She wasn't gonna cross him, no way, no how. Nothing we could do but pass her to the EMT's, put him a car, drive him downtown, throw him in a drunk tank. He sleeps it off, next morning, out he goes. Back home. But one night my partner's out sick, and it's just me. The call comes in and it's the usual crap. Broke her nose in the shower kind of thing. So I cuff him, put him in the car and away we go. Only that night we're driving into town and this sideways asshole is in my back seat humming "Danny Boy." And it just rubbed me wrong. So instead of left, I go right, out into nowhere. And I kneel him down and I put my revolver in his mouth and I told him, "This is it. This is how it ends." And he's crying, going to the bathroom all over himself. Swearing to God he's gonna leave her alone. Screaming, much as you can with a gun in your mouth. And I told him to be quiet. That I needed to think about what I was gonna do here. And, of course, he got quiet goes still and real quiet. Like a dog waiting for dinner scraps. Then we just stood there for a while, me, acting like I'm thinking things over and Prince Charming kneeling in the dirt with shit in his pants. And after a few minutes, I took the gun out of his mouth and I say, "So help me, if you ever touch her again I will such and such and such, and blah, blah, blah."
Walter H. White: It was just a warning?
Mike Ehrmantraut: Of course. Just trying to do the right thing. But two weeks later he killed her. Of course. Caved her head in with the base of a Waring blender. We got there, there was so much blood you could taste the metal. Moral of the story is I chose a half measure when I should have gone all the way. I'll never make that mistake again. No more half measures, Walter.



--so I understand overeating and staying with a guy who abuses you, I understand the biology, since there is no logic, that causes you to do it
I understand you dont know I know this stuff, duh why would you? Do I want to share my undertanding . my life on a hooker board?
no I'd rather do what I do.


but no matter what i think , it's still a choice to stay with an abuser or to stay fat


granted some choices are hard to make, you must look at the pros and cons of each choice and not let the emotional factor interfere
people rarely do that




I dont care abou that,it's just an internet forum after all, but try to take into account things you dont know and things you don't know you dont know
Your tale reminds of me Breaking Bad, ie Mikes story from when he was a beat cop,
said about good/bad/honorable
I like it, it might help you shed some light on judging guys(no names) based on words said on an internet forum"Mike Ehrmantraut: I've known good criminals and bad cops, bad priests, honorable thieves-you can be on one side of the law or the other, but if you make a deal with somebody, you keep your word. You can go home today with your money and never do this again, but you took something that wasn't yours and you sold it for a profit. You're now a criminal; good one, bad one-that's up to you."

[Guest030817]

A trauma physiologically changes the brain and can influence normal functioning.
FACT-http://psychcentral.com/blog/archive...ges-the-brain/

Hell yes you should eliminate people based on how they act on the board, men or women. You sit down and write the shit that comes out of your head. The same head you carry into an appointment. Just because you flip the script and want to be dominated once you get there, doesn't change the mentality coming along with it.

Should you use ECCIE for verification of men, Hell NO. This is a chat board, there is no screening to join or post at all. I screen based on my intuition, which has rarely led me long...thanks to the 'hyper vigilance" I was gifted with from the domestic violence, I am extra cautious. Yes, if I see "red flags" on the board, I will eliminate you before you ever contact me. Now that would be really manipulative, wouldn't it. Think you are a dick and then see you and take your money anyway.




And finally, may I "school" you for a moment, as you seem to be ignorant as to who I am and my position in this community.

• I have been on this board many years longer than you and know much more than you.
• I am highly respected as one of KC's premiere providers by both hobbyists and providers.
• I am not an emotional train wreck who is or causes drama on the boards or in person.
• I am a positive upbeat person, who knows a troll when I see one, but hijacks their posts to get an important message out to the masses.
• I have earned this reputation, as you have yours. In large part due to my posts on the boards as well as validation of those who have met me.
• I've lost money over the years by weeding out people like you. BAHAHAHA, quite the opposite my friend but that kind of psychology is way out of your league. Guess what? Guys like smart girls who decline to see people like you.
• I am the last bitch you want to start shit with, and that is a FACT my friend.

*Anyone who agrees please reply or like this post*
I will take my posting violation points today because what I had to say is more important than points on a public board. What I won't take is people like you who have ruined this board. I will just point myself off with whatever I have to say when it's bullshit. I have been just ignoring the board for most of the last year, due to the lack of
stimulation, that is, of the mind and negativity that I don't want in my life. Now I will try a different approach. I will use you and others like you as a platform for whatever it is I want to say, because you make it so fucking EASY!