SCOTUS Will Overturn Obamacare...Bank On It !!

[wellendowed1911]

Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

Uh, WE, many Canadians hate their system, and Europe is realizing they can't afford it and are privatizing more services. Nice try.

What do you consider "many"? Are there massive protest? Are there legislation that exist to repeal the healthcare system in Canada and Europe? You are being misleading- you have a straw man attack and it won't work- this poll here shows 86% of Canadians love their "socialized" medicine. :
http://www.healthcare-now.org/new-po...c-health-care/

So produce a poll showing that many don't like their health care system- if 86% like it and 14% dislike it- I think you are being very ingenious to say "many" don't like it- 14% out of 100% would not be classified as "many".

[Whirlaway]

WE: You think polls matter then here is the latest on Obamacare.

Last Friday, the Kaiser Family Foundation released the results of its recent survey of what Americans believe about Obamacare. Apparently Americans have heeded then Speaker Pelosi’s advice…we have to pass the bill before you can see what is in it.
They did, and we did.

…only 34% of respondents have a favorable view of the Affordable Care Act, down from 41% in September. Notably, the decline was due to losing Democratic supporters, who dropped to 52% from 65% month to month. Meanwhile, 51% of the public is opposed to the vast new government health-care entitlement, up from a prior 2011 average of 45%. [emphasis in original]

And then there is this poll,

[t]he current Real Clear Politics average of all health polling puts opposition at 50.6% and support at 38.4%, down from a summer high of 41.5%.

[Whirlaway]

I am considering your bet; but if SCOTUS strikes down Obamacare, then I think Obama's chances of re-election are greatly improved....so if my 2nd prediction happens, then my 1st is less likely.

Originally Posted by wellendowed1911

WW how sure are you if Obama not getting a 2nd term??? You have some post where you say he may win, but you doubt it- so to me that's uncertainty but let me call you out on your bluff- I will make a deal- I will bank on Obama being re-elected and whoever wins the bet- the loser must deactivate his account and if you want to go a step further- the loser pays for one session of the escort of his choice? Do we have a deal???? You remind me a lot of COG who said he had some "inside" sources that told him that Rick Perry will be the next POTUS I told him many times that Perry won't beat Obama and look where Perry now stands!!!

[wellendowed1911]

Originally Posted by Whirlaway

WE: You think polls matter then here is the latest on Obamacare.

Last Friday, the Kaiser Family Foundation released the results of its recent survey of what Americans believe about Obamacare. Apparently Americans have heeded then Speaker Pelosi’s advice…we have to pass the bill before you can see what is in it.
They did, and we did.

…only 34% of respondents have a favorable view of the Affordable Care Act, down from 41% in September. Notably, the decline was due to losing Democratic supporters, who dropped to 52% from 65% month to month. Meanwhile, 51% of the public is opposed to the vast new government health-care entitlement, up from a prior 2011 average of 45%. [emphasis in original]

And then there is this poll,

[t]he current Real Clear Politics average of all health polling puts opposition at 50.6% and support at 38.4%, down from a summer high of 41.5%.

WW polls matter to you only when it's favorable- WW if I took a poll of 100 KKK members and asked them will Obama get re-elected I would get a poll saying Obama not likely to get elected- just using an example- I would like to see a poll that shows how many people liked the previous system- again Obamacare is not perfect I have stated that- what needs to be done is simple- keep the good and remove the bad- is it that difficult- and more than likely the bad will be taken out.

WW also remember that I give the GOP credit they did a much better job demonizing Obamacare than the DEMS showing the good- I think most Americans saw so much of the media(town hall meetings) Tea party protest that they actually believe the Bill is bad- however as I stated it has some parts that need to be thrown out and some parts that should be kept- if you took a poll WW and asked Americans should insurance companies deny you for a pre- existing conditions most Americans would say No- most Americans would have no quarrel with covering seniors when they hit the donut hole- and most Americans like the idea of keeping their children on their plan until age 26- so there are some good things in Obamacare- to say the entire bill is bad is being dishonest.

[Marshall]

Originally Posted by Whirlaway

I am considering your bet; but if SCOTUS strikes down Obamacare, then I think Obama's chances of re-election are greatly improved....so if my 2nd prediction happens, then my 1st is less likely.

liberals, especially his TYPE of liberal, don't honor bets.......

I don't think striking down Odumbocare hurts....people will think "what the fuck was he wasting a year and a half for when he should have been focused like a laser beam on jobs?!".....then, they'll think, "what the fuck, the stimulus didn't produce any jobs!'.....then, they'll think, "what the fuck, he delayed and will probably cancel the pipeline that will produce hundreds of thousands of jobs!"........can you say PRESIDENT ROMNEY! or even [dare I say it? Fuck yes I dare!] PRESIDENT NEWT!!!!!!!!!!!!


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[wellendowed1911]

Originally Posted by Marshall

liberals, especially his TYPE of liberal, don't honor bets.......

I don't think striking down Odumbocare hurts....people will think "what the fuck was he wasting a year and a half for when he should have been focused like a laser beam on jobs?!".....then, they'll think, "what the fuck, the stimulus didn't produce any jobs!'.....then, they'll think, "what the fuck, he delayed and will probably cancel the pipeline that will produce hundreds of thousands of jobs!"........can you say PRESIDENT ROMNEY! or even [dare I say it? Fuck yes I dare!] PRESIDENT NEWT!!!!!!!!!!!!


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And than when Americans look at Romney and say gosh his RomneyCare looks exactly like Obamacare and even has a mandate- and when they dig deeper and say- jeez when Romney was CEO he sent jobs overseas and didn't really create jobs and then say Holy shit this guy is a the Mormon aren't they a cult(note not my view but what many american think)? And then finally Americans will start saying>>"hold on just last week Romney was against that policy now he is for that policy I am confused and don't know where this guy(Romney) stands I am going o stick with Obama.

And God forbid if Newt gets the nod here's is what many will say:.."Newt is their choice- ahhh fuck Obama is going to win by a landslide.

[Whirlaway]

C-SPAN asks Supreme Court to allow cameras for healthcare case


By Sam Baker - 11/15/11 04:53 PM ET

C-SPAN is asking the Supreme Court to drop its ban on cameras in the courtroom when it hears arguments over President Obama’s healthcare reform law.

The high court has scheduled five and a half hours of oral arguments in the healthcare case, the longest hearing in decades. The lengthy hearing serves to underscore what’s at stake as the Obama administration braces for the possibility that its signature domestic achievement could be ruled unconstitutional just months before the 2012 election.

“We believe the public interest is best served by live television coverage of this particular oral argument,” C-SPAN chief executive Brian Lamb said Tuesday in a letter to Chief Justice John Roberts. “It is a case which affects every American’s life, our economy, and will certainly be an issue in the upcoming presidential campaign.”

The Supreme Court has never allowed televised arguments. It releases transcripts for every case and audio recordings of high-profile arguments.

Lamb said allowing TV coverage of the healthcare arguments could be a one-time exception.

“We ask you and your colleagues to set aside any misgivings you have about television in the courtroom in general and permit cameras to televise live this particular argument,” he wrote.

Source:
http://thehill.com/blogs/healthwatch/legal-challenges/193783-c-span-asks-supreme-court-to-allow-cameras-for-healthcare-case

The contents of this site are © 2011 Capitol Hill Publishing Corp., a subsidiary of News Communications, Inc.

[Doove]

Originally Posted by OliviaHoward

Actually, I disagreed with the health care recommendations she mad to then President Clinton. I was wholly unimpressed. She didn't even allow for free mammograms even so breast cancer is one of the leading causes of death in women.

Seems like a fair enough response, but you didn't answer the question. Did you think the mandate was as awful an idea when you voted for Hillary, as you say you do now?

Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

You really don't understand what freedom is, do you? 'Tis sad.

If you say so. But i do understand what greedy selfish bastardism is.

[CuteOldGuy]

Originally Posted by Doove

If you say so. But i do understand what greedy selfish bastardism is.

Somehow, that does not surprise me.

[Guest050715-1]

Originally Posted by Doove

Seems like a fair enough response, but you didn't answer the question. Did you think the mandate was as awful an idea when you voted for Hillary, as you say you do now?



If you say so. But i do understand what greedy selfish bastardism is.

Of course I knew about her recommendations and role in the Clinton administration's health care initiatives or lack there of. I agree with the bulk of Hilary's platform and further, her way of thinking. Let me re-phrase, I agree with her way of thinking now, when she was young and radical - not so much. There is just no way I will ever agree 100% with any one let alone a politician.

I decide based on how I feel about the issue, not with a particular person or party. Sometimes, I find myself holding my nose and voting against someone because one person is more palatable than their opponent.

It's weird, when I was young and radical I was far more conservative than I am now. I think I've grown more tolerant of people and the plight of those that are less fortunate than me. Most people seem to get more conservative.

[Doove]

Originally Posted by OliviaHoward

Of course I knew about her recommendations and role in the Clinton administration's health care initiatives or lack there of. I agree with the bulk of Hilary's platform and further, her way of thinking. Let me re-phrase, I agree with her way of thinking now, when she was young and radical - not so much. There is just no way I will ever agree 100% with any one let alone a politician.

Ok, fair enough. Now maybe this time (3rd try) you can answer the question.

Did you think the mandate was as awful an idea when you voted for Hillary, as you claim it is now?

Yes or no.

[Guest050715-1]

Originally Posted by Doove

Ok, fair enough. Now maybe this time (3rd try) you can answer the question.

Did you think the mandate was as awful an idea when you voted for Hillary, as you claim it is now?

Yes or no.

No. I thought I answered that. The only evidence we have of what Hilary would do is her work during Clinton's administration. I would not support legislation that isn't a simple single payer system., and I certainly don't agree with the taxes in this bill for everyone that doesn't have insurance, to the levels the bill mandates or otherwise, for the poor and the middle class. What Hilary would have done will not be known since she was not elected.


It doesn't have to be all or nothing.

[dilbert firestorm]

Originally Posted by Marshall

IF THEY ARE GOING TO GET ALL THOSE FREEBIES, THE POOR NEED TO GIVE SOMETHING BACK.....IN EXCHANGE FOR WELFARE, I THINK THE POOR SHOULD AGREE TO BECOME SLAVES FOR A PERIOD OF TIME LINKED TO THE BENEFITS THEY RECEIVE.......THE GOVERNMENT CAN GET THE WELFARE MONEY BACK, AND THEN SOME, BY SELLING OR RENTING OUT THE WELFARE SLAVES TO RICH PEOPLE........

indentured servitude has been outlawed for 250 years.

[dilbert firestorm]

Originally Posted by Marshall

HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! SOUR GRAPES IS NO REASON TO BE INTELLECTUALLY DISHONEST......ALL THOSE BLOW JOBS YOU GAVE ALGORE WERE FOR NAUGHT............

your abuse of the smilies are offensive!

[dilbert firestorm]

Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

Uh, WE, many Canadians hate their system, and Europe is realizing they can't afford it and are privatizing more services. Nice try.

not all of europe tho.

I know Britain is looking at reforming their health care system. the rest of europe, not so much at thinking reform.