Libs to blame for fires, not global warming or Trump

[LexusLover]

Fake Posts =

Those with excessive pretended quoting of what others purportedly said.

[Munchmasterman]

Another long winded post of opinion that the facts don't back up.

From the NYT

"The statement suggests that California’s forest-management problems are at fault. But the majority of California’s forests are federally held.

Of the state’s 33 million acres of forest, federal agencies, including the Forest Service and the Interior Department, own and manage 57 percent. Forty percent are owned by families, Native American tribes or companies, including industrial timber companies; just 3 percent are owned and managed by state and local agencies."

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/12/u...ire-tweet.html

And how are Californians telling Texans how to live?

Oh yeah, the Camp Fire, which I believe is by far the largest (148,000 acres and counting) is in Butte County.

One of those red counties. That is by far federally or privately owned land. Nothing to do with the state.

Originally Posted by LexusLover

Actually it was "brought" to the "attention" of the California Loons back in Bush II's administration when Bush commented their "conservation" regulations created the issues they have with FIRES! I'm not sure what Trump was doing back then, but it was common knowledge (to those who knew of him) that he was a Democrat.

What Bush criticized was the REFUSAL of the Liberal Tree Huggers to clear underbrush (kindling) and thin out the wooded/forest areas, particularly in areas settled for residences and support businesses for those communities. The RICH LIBERALS wanted to live in the "woods" and not disturb the "wildlife" living in the area ... and "conserve" the natural habitat.

The Liberal Tree Huggers laughed at Bush for being so ignorant, until the head of the Forest Service (with a long history of working in the FORESTS!) agreed with him. People who live in Texas know about thinning wooded areas and building fire breaks to protect farms, livestock, barns, and houses.

The Californians want to blame anybody but themselves on their failures. They struggle to run a one-car funeral. Now they want to tell Texans how to live, and stuff their ballot boxes with illegal alien votes to retain control over their failed experiment.

[Munchmasterman]

A new term to describe a way to ignore reality and pretend your own opinions are facts?


Nope. It's just using the current "hot button" term to describe the situation when you can't refute information that just relegated your "facts" to opinion.
And misinformed opinion at that.

Now let's get back on topic.

Originally Posted by LexusLover

Fake Posts =

Those with excessive pretended quoting of what others purportedly said.

[LexusLover]

Some people, similar in temperment and ignorance, as those who are burning up California, actually believe that if one doesn't include a "citation" for what one says then it's "fake"! Given that definition, then Trump is exactly on point ... there is NO RUSSIAN COLLUSION BY HIS ELECTION TEAM ...

HE'S NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR THE CALIFORNIA FIRES LIKE THE IDIOTS CLAIM ...

and he's not caused "global warming" because there is no such thing ...

apart from the NATURAL EVOLUTION of the Earth's changes in temperature brought on by proximity to the Sun and gradual modification of the Earth's rotation and axis that is attributable to the Moon's ever changing orbit around the Earth. And the proven Earth temperature changes BEFORE MAN started his first wood fire.

[dilbert firestorm]

why are they calling this fire "camp fire"?

[Ex-CEO]

Originally Posted by dilbert firestorm

why are they calling this fire "camp fire"?

Because it started near "Camp Creek Road." In CA, to keep them straight, they have a penchant for "naming" fires after their spot of origin.

[dilbert firestorm]

meh.. they should've called it Creek Fire.

[Munchmasterman]

A few things.
No matter what you say, you can't read minds.
Personally, I use citation like a footnote in a book. It's a reference to where that particular piece of information comes from. Just a little bit at a time. It's called (by some people)building the foundation of your argument. Build on concrete or bedrock, your argument will stand well. Build on sand or playing cards, it's going to crash down sooner or later. Facts are bedrock. Opinions can support an argument if you don't try to build too high. Citations are also in there to reduce ignorance. But like the old saying; "You can lead a person to knowledge but you can't make them think.", citations don't help others if they don't read them.
Once again, I can't imagine why someone wouldn't include citations.....if they could find them.

Could you supply sources that say no citation means it's "fake"? Other than yourself?
Again personally, to me, no citation means the information is unconfirmed. I know how to check it myself. An example of that would be me checking the spelling of a word in a sentence about ignorance. I did and you misspelled the word "temperament".

Originally Posted by LexusLover

Some people, similar in temperment and ignorance, as those who are burning up California, actually believe that if one doesn't include a "citation" for what one says then it's "fake"! Given that definition, then Trump is exactly on point ... there is NO RUSSIAN COLLUSION BY HIS ELECTION TEAM ...Maybe you would explain that last scream of yours. My understanding is that that subject is still under investigation. Which makes that just an opinion of yours.

HE'S NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR THE CALIFORNIA FIRES LIKE THE IDIOTS CLAIM ...Another scream. IB came up with one idiot's name. Neil Young. You used the plural of idiot so I assume your list is longer than his. Care to share?

and he's not caused "global warming" because there is no such thing ...Not even going to include a citation on this. 95 to 5.

apart from the NATURAL EVOLUTION of the Earth's changes in temperature brought on by proximity to the Sun and gradual modification of the Earth's rotation and axis that is attributable to the Moon's ever changing orbit around the Earth. And the proven Earth temperature changes BEFORE MAN started his first wood fire.

The Moon is moving away from the Earth by the same mechanism that makes the Earth move farther from the Sun. Our warmest weather, in this hemisphere, occurs when the Earth is furthest in its orbit from the Sun. In other words, our orbit around the Sun is expanding.

The wobble in our axis is causing things to warm up? Sorry. It's the exact opposite (plus mantle movement and post-glacial rebound-think ass lifted off a mattress and it rebounds).
Global warming is reducing the weight of the ice on Greenland. Think tire rotation.
We are losing one of the balance weights.

Now this being a hooker board, I don't expect you to believe me or understand what I posted.

Hence the citations.
http://curious.astro.cornell.edu/phy...d-intermediate

http://curious.astro.cornell.edu/abo...nging-advanced

https://climate.nasa.gov/news/2805/s...in-axis-drift/

[the_real_Barleycorn]

Sounds like you just admitted everything,EVERYTHING, I said was correct...and you said I was wrong...I will waiting for that tearful apology.

Originally Posted by Munchmasterman

trump's definition of fake news is a story that is critical of him.
Your definition of attack is someone correcting you. Your definition of slight is 102,000,000 vs. 129,000,000.

Here is another nugget.

From the NYT

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/12/u...ire-tweet.html

"WHAT TRUMP SAID

Billions of dollars are given each year, with so many lives lost, all because of gross mismanagement of the forests. Remedy now, or no more Fed payments!

This is misleading.
The statement suggests that California’s forest-management problems are at fault. But the majority of California’s forests are federally held.

Of the state’s 33 million acres of forest, federal agencies, including the Forest Service and the Interior Department, own and manage 57 percent. Forty percent are owned by families, Native American tribes or companies, including industrial timber companies; just 3 percent are owned and managed by state and local agencies."

There goes "the liberal's policies" as a cause out the window.

From the same NYT article.

"It is true that California has a lot of dead timber — 129 million trees spread across 8.9 million acres, according to a Forest Service estimate.

But the dead trees themselves do not catch fire easily, because they are too big, said Chad T. Hanson, the principal ecologist at the John Muir Project of the nonprofit Earth Island Institute.
“It’s like starting a campfire,” he said. “You don’t put a big log on the fire and put a match to it and expect it to burn — it’s not going to happen. Fires are driven by kindle.”

Logging gets rid of trees, but it does not get rid of the kindling — brush, bushes and twigs. Logging does, however, enable the spread of cheatgrass, a highly combustible weed, which makes a forest more likely to burn.

In fact, the wooded land that abuts Paradise, Calif., the community so badly damaged by the Camp Fire, underwent the kind of post-fire logging that Mr. Trump’s tweet and Mr. Zinke’s article suggested. That was just under a decade ago, Dr. Hanson said, but the city is now in ashes."


And one more item from the same NYT article.

WHAT TRUMP SAID

There is no reason for these massive, deadly and costly forest fires in California except that forest management is so poor.

This is misleading.
Mr. Trump is suggesting that forest management played a role, but California’s current wildfires aren’t forest fires.
“These fires aren’t even in forests,” said Max Moritz, a wildfire specialist at the University of California, Santa Barbara.

Rather, the Camp and Woolsey fires, which are ripping through Northern and Southern California, began in areas known as the wildland-urban interface: places where communities are close to undeveloped areas, making it easier for fire to move from forests or grasslands into neighborhoods.

[Why does California have so many wildfires? There are four key ingredients.]

A 2015 report by the United States Department of Agriculture found that between 2000 and 2010 (the last year for which data was available), the number of people moving into the wildland-urban interface had increased by 5 percent. According to the report, 44 million houses, equivalent to one in every three houses in the country, are in the wildland-urban interface. The highest concentrations are in Florida, Texas and, yes, California.

It is true that California wildfires are getting larger and that most of the state’s largest wildfires have happened this century. The Mendocino Complex Fire, earlier this year, was the biggest California fire on record, as measured by acres burned. The Camp Fire is already the most destructive in state history, having razed more than 6,000 homes.
Researchers are attributing at least part of the difference to climate change, because in a warming world vegetation dries out faster and burns more easily.

And the most “deadly and costly” fires happen at the wildland-urban interface, because they damage houses, towns and lives. The Camp Fire has already matched the deadliest fire in state history, killing at least 29 people, and the death toll may rise.

“We have vulnerable housing stock already out there on the landscape. These are structures that were often built to building codes from earlier decades and they’re not as fire resistant as they could be,” Dr. Moritz said. “This issue of where and how we built our homes has left us very exposed to home losses and fatalities like these.”






Did you notice I included your 129,000,000 tree count? I'll accept that as a possible tree count but still laugh at the idea 27,000,000 out of 129,000,000 is "slight".

Here is the bill in question pulled from the link tonyvicksa provided..

"SB 1463 had been introduced in last year’s legislative session by Sen. John Moorlach, R-Costa Mesa. The bill would have required the state to identify the places most at risk for wildfires and would have required the CPUC to beef up plans to prevent fires sparked by power lines — including moving lines underground if necessary."
It wasn't about "repairing". From the same article (which was published and last updated Oct. 12 2017)

"But Brown said the bill was unnecessary. “Since May of last year, the Commission and CalFire have been doing just that through the existing proceeding on fire-threat maps and fire-safety regulations,” he said in his veto message. “This deliberative process should continue and the issues this bill seeks to address should be raised in that forum.”

But the senator isn’t buying it.

“Up until my bill those guys were doing nothing,” Moorlach said Wednesday. “I think you got some false information.”

He said his bill would’ve sped up what had become a cumbersome process and given local communities more of a voice by clarifying how fire risk is defined.

Had the governor signed his bill into law, he added, “I think it would have changed things. … I think it would’ve given Cal Fire a whole different set of priorities.”

Brown’s sister Kathleen, he pointed out, served on the board of the energy services holding company, Sempra. Power and utility companies, Moorlach said, “didn’t want to spend the money” making things safer by moving lines underground.

That’s “so outrageous it doesn’t merit a response,” Evan Westrup, a spokesman for the governor’s office, said of the notion that the governor didn’t sign the bill to somehow help out Sempra. “It’s unfortunate this particular individual is trying to score political points by peddling inaccurate, self-serving claims at a time like this.”

CPUC spokeswoman Terrie Prosper said the years-long CPUC and Cal Fire effort has already reached key goals.

Phase One was completed in 2015 and Phase Two is nearly done as well, which will implement new fire safety regulations in high priority areas of the state."

Which brings us to the Kindle issue. Which model do you have?

The ones that I saw that had wifi and that could post, had an in-house version of "Office". How could you post but not be able to "copy and paste" a web address? Have you read the instructions? Looked online for a method?




Like the facts?

The truth?

The only thing you got right was a lot of people died. And now you assign a simple reason for the occurrence, without including any links of any kind (because your Kindle can't "cut and paste"?) to back up your position. Your Kindle explanation doesn't explain why you very, very, very seldom include links anyway.

Your final words reveal another definition of yours.

Facts = unimportant details.

[LexusLover]

The California fire and the fate of a 1,000 missing persons is about to take a backseat in the Liberal LameStream Media ....

... a dolphin was discovered off the coast with a gunshot wound!

Did I mention Chicago's weekend death toll?

And there is a Wounded Dolphin Investigation underway.

If anyone is dumb enough to ask for a citation or a "link" .... just Google it!

[Wakeup]

Back on topic...

[TheDaliLama]

[WTF]

Originally Posted by TheDaliLama

Jarred Diamond is one of the leading researchers on the cause of these forrest fires....logging is a leading cause but there are many other.

http://paysdefayence.free.fr/forets/...reddiamond.htm

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by TheDaliLama

That may explain the disappearance of the 100's of people that haven't been found. Tree huggers and owl spotters staying behind to salvage what they can. I appreciate dedication and perseverance when it comes to nature.

Besides there are some new voters waiting to sneak into the country to replace them.

[WTF]

Originally Posted by LexusLover

That may explain the disappearance of the 100's of people that haven't been found. Tree huggers and owl spotters staying behind to salvage what they can. I appreciate dedication and perseverance when it comes to nature.

Besides there are some new voters waiting to sneak into the country to replace them.

Could you please stop taking every thread off topic? Jesus.