Why Did NBC Delibertly Alter Zimmerman 911 Call?

[CuteOldGuy]

Originally Posted by The2Dogs

By the way, the way our government has become, are any of us truly free?

No.

[i'va biggen]

Originally Posted by The2Dogs

Eskimo,
I would not want you on any jury.
You are one that believes if a person is arrested they are guilty
and
I am a person that believes that a person is innocent utiol proven guilty in a court of law.
not the court
of the media.

By the way, the way our government has become, are any of us truly free?

And what mcbarker ,makes you think I think they are ??? Me thinks you missed the point.

[Guest123018-4]

No I have not missed any point.
I think you watch too much Law and Order or those other cops shows on TV

Let me make it very simple for you.
If a man jumps me and knocks me to the ground and starts beating me and banging my head on the ground and I have a firearm I will shoot him not once but twice at the very least. I will fully expect to go to the police statin and would expect that my case be referred to a grand jury without charges. They grand jury would then decide if there was enough evidnece to constitute acriminal charge against me or no-bill me as a justifiable homicide.

What has occurred here is something different in that the initial evidence indicated that Zimmerman defended himself fro further attack by shooting the attacker.
An eyewitness interviewed by the police verified that Zimmerman was being beaten by Martin.

The complication is that Martin was not armed and that is what creates teh speculation of whether or not Zimmerman could have been in fear for his life.

The end result is that the prosecutor has decided that a charge of 2nd degree murder should be brought against Zimmerman on some basis that will be revealed in court. The supposition is that Zimmerman could have disengaged his observation of Martin and this would not have happened. What is not known is if he borke off his observation and proceeded back to meet the police and was ambushed by Martin or not. The fact is ndot known if he had his firearem drawn and ready to shoot but the statements have been that he had not.

In any event, this has progressed to a trial that will determine the fate of Zimmerman and his innocence or guilt. The fact remains that this was not a white on black crime as the media attempted to make it out to be going so far as to create a whole new race of people called White Hispanic. What will be so very interesting is the outcome of the trial and how the media will portray the results one way or the other.

In the end Martin will still be dead and Zimmerman's life will forever be affected. this was and is a tragic event for them both that could have been easily avoided if we could just learn to communicate with each other.

[joe bloe]

I agree with 99% of your post. If Trayvon was a thug who was trying to beat Zimmernam to death, as I believe he was, his death was not a tragedy. There is nothing tragic about a criminal being killed in the commission of a crime.

I believe that Zimmerman is an innocent man who life is being destroyed because he's being used as a pawn in a political game.

[Guest123018-4]

Martin will be on trial just as much as Zimmerman.
He will have every detail of his past that implicates him as a potential threat exposed.
Zimmerman had no way of knowing any of it except by Marti's perceived actions. What ensued is what caused his death. All the young man had to do was to run home and that would have been the end of it. assaulting a man with a gun isnt a wise choice.

[bladtinzu]

The simple fact if Martin's "parents" had raised him correctly and not allowed him to be a little punk thug he would still be alive. Also I suspect if Martin had KNOWN before hand that Zimmerman was armed he would NOT have attacked him thus setting in sequence the events that unfolded to have him loose his life. But what is the old saying? "Live like a thug, die like a thug".. Martin did just that and I honestly do not see it as a great loss to society. At all.

[gnadfly]

almost sympathetic...except for the devil red eyes in the lead photo.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...83O18H20120425

btw, zimmerman supposedly has a drop of black blood in him.

[essence]

Originally Posted by bladtinzu

The simple fact if Martin's "parents" had raised him correctly and not allowed him to be a little punk thug

Even Joe Bloe says "If Trayvon was a thug" but you have stated he is a thug on which evidence? Wait for the trial.

[i'va biggen]

Originally Posted by The2Dogs

No I have not missed any point.
I think you watch too much Law and Order or those other cops shows on TV

Let me make it very simple for you.
If a man jumps me and knocks me to the ground and starts beating me and banging my head on the ground and I have a firearm I will shoot him not once but twice at the very least. I will fully expect to go to the police statin and would expect that my case be referred to a grand jury without charges. They grand jury would then decide if there was enough evidnece to constitute acriminal charge against me or no-bill me as a justifiable homicide.

What has occurred here is something different in that the initial evidence indicated that Zimmerman defended himself fro further attack by shooting the attacker.
An eyewitness interviewed by the police verified that Zimmerman was being beaten by Martin.

The complication is that Martin was not armed and that is what creates teh speculation of whether or not Zimmerman could have been in fear for his life.

The end result is that the prosecutor has decided that a charge of 2nd degree murder should be brought against Zimmerman on some basis that will be revealed in court. The supposition is that Zimmerman could have disengaged his observation of Martin and this would not have happened. What is not known is if he borke off his observation and proceeded back to meet the police and was ambushed by Martin or not. The fact is ndot known if he had his firearem drawn and ready to shoot but the statements have been that he had not.

In any event, this has progressed to a trial that will determine the fate of Zimmerman and his innocence or guilt. The fact remains that this was not a white on black crime as the media attempted to make it out to be going so far as to create a whole new race of people called White Hispanic. What will be so very interesting is the outcome of the trial and how the media will portray the results one way or the other.

In the end Martin will still be dead and Zimmerman's life will forever be affected. this was and is a tragic event for them both that could have been easily avoided if we could just learn to communicate with each other.

I don't watch law and order,but let's say in case Martian was just minding his own business and some self appointed watcher was following him. If it was me I would have kicked the shit out of him.

[joe bloe]

Originally Posted by The2Dogs

Martin will be on trial just as much as Zimmerman.
He will have every detail of his past that implicates him as a potential threat exposed.
Zimmerman had no way of knowing any of it except by Marti's perceived actions. What ensued is what caused his death. All the young man had to do was to run home and that would have been the end of it. assaulting a man with a gun isnt a wise choice.

I don't think Trayvon knew about the gun until he got shot. He probably realized his mistake for a only few seconds; I'll bet he was very surprised. Trayvon never would have attacked Zimmerman if he had known he was armed.

[joe bloe]

Originally Posted by gnadfly

almost sympathetic...except for the devil red eyes in the lead photo.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...83O18H20120425

btw, zimmerman supposedly has a drop of black blood in him.

I think he has a grandfather in Peru that was actually an "African-Peruvian".

If Trayvon had the same racial background as Zimmerman and he had been killed by a white man the press would have described Trayvon as a black man.

[Doove]

Originally Posted by essence

Even Joe Bloe says "If Trayvon was a thug" but you have stated he is a thug on which evidence? Wait for the trial.

Actually, i believe that, in another thread, Joe Bloe has stated that Trayvon was, in fact, a thug. Based, of course, on the very simple fact that the media was refusing to tell us he was a thug.

No, really.

[bladtinzu]

Originally Posted by essence

Even Joe Bloe says "If Trayvon was a thug" but you have stated he is a thug on which evidence? Wait for the trial.

Being kicked out of school, possession of burglary tools, and graffiti. Then add to this the thugs twitter account name http://dailycaller.com/2012/03/26/th...artins-tweets/

There is your proof the little punk was a thug. Or at the least a thug wanna-be.

[Old-T]

Originally Posted by bladtinzu

The simple fact if Martin's "parents" had raised him correctly and not allowed him to be a little punk thug he would still be alive. But what is the old saying? "Live like a thug, die like a thug".. Martin did just that and I honestly do not see it as a great loss to society. At all.

So kind of you to judge him as a "little punk thug". Aftrer all, what you wear determines if you are a sleazeball or not. Who dressed better, Martin or Madoff? In your lunatic world, which is the capital offense, the music he listened to or the tattoos? I didn't realize either was cause for execution. And lest the pea-brain crowd get all insenced I am NOT referring to Zimmerman here, but rather YOUR stupid comment that because a guy wears certain clothes and looks a certain way that his death is no loss to society. Who gets to vote on how you look?

Originally Posted by gnadfly

btw, zimmerman supposedly has a drop of black blood in him.

And what possible difference does that make one way or the other? Odd how the same folks who claim not to be racist worry about who has what "kind of blood", isn't it?

[gnadfly]

Originally Posted by The2Dogs

The end result is that the prosecutor has decided that a charge of 2nd degree murder should be brought against Zimmerman on some basis that will be revealed in court. The supposition is that Zimmerman could have disengaged his observation of Martin and this would not have happened. What is not known is if he borke off his observation and proceeded back to meet the police and was ambushed by Martin or not. The fact is ndot known if he had his firearem drawn and ready to shoot but the statements have been that he had not.

From what I can tell by the reliable eyewitnesses, 911 tapes, photographs, police reports and other things that aren't doctored, the only way they can prove 2nd degree murder (to me at least) is if Z pulled out his weapon, approached and threatened Martin with it before Martin verbally or physically engaged Z. I haven't seen any info to indicate this. Even from the supposed "testimony" from Martin's girlfriend that has mysteriously disappeared.

Originally Posted by The2Dogs

In the end Martin will still be dead and Zimmerman's life will forever be affected. this was and is a tragic event for them both that could have been easily avoided if we could just learn to communicate with each other.

You forgot about the civil suit against the HOA and the City of Sanford. IMO, that's what this is about. And the lawyers and TV ratings and perceived political points.

Originally Posted by joe bloe

I agree with 99% of your post. If Trayvon was a thug who was trying to beat Zimmernam to death, as I believe he was, his death was not a tragedy. There is nothing tragic about a criminal being killed in the commission of a crime.

I believe that Zimmerman is an innocent man who life is being destroyed because he's being used as a pawn in a political game.

Originally Posted by essence

Even Joe Bloe says "If Trayvon was a thug" but you have stated he is a thug on which evidence? Wait for the trial.

You know that Zimmerman was called a "vigilante" on several cable news networks. Does that bother you equally? After all, Joe Bloe is just some poster on an SHMB.

Originally Posted by ekim008

I don't watch law and order,but let's say in case Martian was just minding his own business and some self appointed watcher was following him. If it was me I would have kicked the shit out of him.

Why? You know "Martian" approached Z first by the 911 tapes. You know "Martian" was a guest in a gated community. Paranoid much? Or do you have a chip on your shoulder?