The pinch part 2

[DFWClubgoer]

Your right, I’ll never know 100% what a providers life is like.

You will never know what clients life’s are like!

All people have the same expenses more or less.

Work clothes, RW clothes.
Hygiene products.
Cell phones and WIFI
Car payments, mortgages, electric, cable and so on.

The time and energy you expend to make money, we expend to spend money.

There will never be “one size fits all” solution for pricing.
There’s a reason we all look at Macy’s and Nordstrom’s then buy somewhere less expensive.

Plus all of us guys have a “CRACK” addiction. The crack between your legs.
$1200.00 a month right off the top,

[Wile E Coyote]

Originally Posted by DFWClubgoer

Your right, I’ll never know 100% what a providers life is like.

You will never know what clients life’s are like!

All people have the same expenses more or less.

Work clothes, RW clothes.
Hygiene products.
Cell phones and WIFI
Car payments, mortgages, electric, cable and so on.

The time and energy you expend to make money, we expend to spend money.

There will never be “one size fits all” solution for pricing.
There’s a reason we all look at Macy’s and Nordstrom’s then buy somewhere less expensive.

Plus all of us guys have a “CRACK” addiction. The crack between your legs.
$1200.00 a month right off the top,

Exactly.

I honestly do not think that the guys that posted on this thread or the other one feeling the pinch are bitching about a provider's rates, but I could be wrong. My guess is they are trying to have an adult discussion on a thread and some people turn it into a taking shots thread and lash out at others because they disagree or they just like being contemptous/combative against a particular member for even making a post or to spew venom at anyone that thinks for themselves that posts on topic on a thread and has a different opinion (par for the course of Eccie threads nowadays).

Yes, we all need to make a living and we all have expenses, but the bottom line question is, do you live within your means or do you spend money you do not have? Of course providers would like to be more than comfortable financially considering what they have to do for the money and IMO, they should be, even if they charge $200-250/hr there is no reason to not be, but because they are not at the level they feel like they should be at or since everyone else is doing it, to get to that end, their initial reaction is to raise their rates, even on johns that have seen them on a regular basis.

As I have said in the other thread, I could care less, if I want to see her, I can afford to pay a provider's advertised rates. However, to discuss this topic, some guys who may have seen a provider at $250/hr a few times a month (and as long as some of you have been around, because of your great customer service, surely you have at least double digits of guys who do that right?), but because she raised her rates, he may be only able to see her a couple times or he has found someone else just as good for the same rate he was paying, maybe turn to the AMPS and/or he could quit seeing her altogether, making her lose a regular. There are many posts on Eccie of guys stating exactly that.

Now how is she going to afford those bills she had to raise her rates on those great customers who cannot afford her anymore? Any ideas? My thoughts: She can get rid of her provider overhead easily by quitting the business of providing and go get a real world job, or she can keep your rates where they were and continue to have that steady stream of income.

Either way, I do not think the minds will deviate on the differing opinions and we could go back and forth forever. Let's just see how it plays out.

[grean]

Originally Posted by DFWClubgoer

The change in rates is a minimum 20% higher year over year. Much more than the rate of inflation.

Lets use an example from earlier in this thread.

250 hour x 5 clients a week $1250 a week x 52 weeks = $65,000 a year.

Raise your rates to $300 an hour and loose 1 client a week.

300 hour x 4 clients a week $1200 a week x 52 week = $62,400 a year. $2600 less

Go the other way, and lower rates to expand your market by 2 clients a week (conservative estimate)

200 Hour x 7 clients a week $1400 a week x 52 weeks = $72,800 a year.

A $7800.00 raise!

At 2 bills an hour provider’s requests would go through the roof! So double up a couple days a week and only work 4 days a week make the same amount!

Then 52 fewer hotel stays a year would reduce your overhead by at least another $4000.00

52 weeks a year 3 days off a week = 156 days off a year, that’s 22 weeks.

I know there too many variables to make this a sure fire plan.

There will always be a small percentage of clients and providers where money is no issue. For 90% of us where that’s not the case it works.

Try it for a couple of weeks at $200 or $225 your inbox would be full that I can guarantee!

Could you write a letter to lamborghini that explains how lowering their prices will bring more volume and more money. Maybe all of us can drive lambos.

We shouldn't have to drive around in toyotas, and kias.

Dumb hookers may not listen to you, but I'm sure the guys at lamborghini will take your business advise into serious consideration.

[2short@desky]

Originally Posted by Wile E Coyote

Exactly.

I honestly do not think that the guys that posted on this thread or the other one feeling the pinch are bitching about a provider's rates, but I could be wrong. My guess is they are trying to have an adult discussion on a thread and some people turn it into a taking shots thread and lash out at others because they disagree or they just like being contemptous/combative against a particular member for even making a post or to spew venom at anyone that thinks for themselves that posts on topic on a thread and has a different opinion (par for the course of Eccie threads nowadays).

Yes, we all need to make a living and we all have expenses, but the bottom line question is, do you live within your means or do you spend money you do not have? Of course providers would like to be more than comfortable financially considering what they have to do for the money and IMO, they should be, even if they charge $200-250/hr there is no reason to not be, but because they are not at the level they feel like they should be at or since everyone else is doing it, to get to that end, their initial reaction is to raise their rates, even on johns that have seen them on a regular basis.

As I have said in the other thread, I could care less, if I want to see her, I can afford to pay a provider's advertised rates. However, to discuss this topic, some guys who may have seen a provider at $250/hr a few times a month (and as long as some of you have been around, because of your great customer service, surely you have at least double digits of guys who do that right?), but because she raised her rates, he may be only able to see her a couple times or he has found someone else just as good for the same rate he was paying, maybe turn to the AMPS and/or he could quit seeing her altogether, making her lose a regular. There are many posts on Eccie of guys stating exactly that.

Now how is she going to afford those bills she had to raise her rates on those great customers who cannot afford her anymore? Any ideas? My thoughts: She can get rid of her provider overhead easily by quitting the business of providing and go get a real world job, or she can keep your rates where they were and continue to have that steady stream of income.

Either way, I do not think the minds will deviate on the differing opinions and we could go back and forth forever. Let's just see how it plays out.

Spot on Wile. High 5 and 10-4. You nailed it.

[2short@desky]

Originally Posted by grean

Could you write a letter to lamborghini that explains how lowering their prices will bring more volume and more money. Maybe all of us can drive lambos.

We shouldn't have to drive around in toyotas, and kias.

Dumb hookers may not listen to you, but I'm sure the guys at lamborghini will take your business advise into serious consideration.

That's just plumb dumb and snarky. If you cannot see the difference in market strategy for volume penetration versus market specific dominance in one category it's no wonder you make such childish statements. The thing you forgot is that Lamborghini doesn't want to sell to everybody, because they know it's a different market, which reduces them to just another Chev Impala. We're talking Chevies, Toyotas, and Fords not Lisa Anne's or Holley Halston's.

[Guest062124]

Originally Posted by Ssjdawg

Well you can write off your $3 of water bottles $60-$100 suites off Priceline if you want but how can you compare that to incalls that cost about $1000 (that’s rent in dfw), $200-$1000 per photo shoot, about $100 tanning membership, $60 gym membership, $1200/mth if they have personal trainer, hell just a bra is $100, $150 for every pedi/mani. You really gonna compare that to your $1.50 toothbrush? Man stfu.

These ladies can do that because just as many that are asking for discounts....there are twice as many tipping.

And let’s not forget-everything is getting more expensive for everybody. Rent goes up every year. Prices on everything gradually increases. Look at groceries. You can not get what you use to for $100 at the grocery store so why on earth would you expect to get the same in the hobby world. Do you think there’s some special Walmart that’s for providers only that charges 1990 prices so that hookers can keep the same rates for your ass. No! Some of this shit is just common sense. Smh.

You pay your wife 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 times as much, give her half of everything and she still won’t dress up or fuck you. OP you should stop complaining while your ahead and be more appreciative to the ladies that will fuck you for money since your wife won’t.

[grean]

Originally Posted by 2short@desky

That's just plumb dumb and snarky. If you cannot see the difference in market strategy for volume penetration versus market specific dominance in one category it's no wonder you make such childish statements. The thing you forgot is that Lamborghini doesn't want to sell to everybody, because they know it's a different market, which reduces them to just another Chev Impala. We're talking Chevies, Toyotas, and Fords not Lisa Anne's or Holley Halston's.

The ladies don't want to fuck everyone either....

That math above has horribly incorrect assumptions.

[Grace Preston]

Originally Posted by 2short@desky

That's just plumb dumb and snarky. If you cannot see the difference in market strategy for volume penetration versus market specific dominance in one category it's no wonder you make such childish statements. The thing you forgot is that Lamborghini doesn't want to sell to everybody, because they know it's a different market, which reduces them to just another Chev Impala. We're talking Chevies, Toyotas, and Fords not Lisa Anne's or Holley Halston's.

One need not be a porn star to "not want to fuck everybody". Hell, that comment alone right there would make me not want to fuck you--

I'm really glad this topic sprung up.. its been time for me to raise my rates a little anyhow.

[milfy2002]

Originally Posted by Jules Jaguar

How about out of pocket std testing every three months, hair, nails, tanning, lingerie, heels, electricity, water bill, trash and sewer, WiFi, refreshments for clients, towels, sheets, mouthwash, soap, body wash, laundry, all the furniture for an Incall, photo shoots, advertising, hobby phone, website, the list can go on and on. All of this is in addition to the expenses we have at home. Yes most smart providers pay taxes too.

Instead of being closed minded about this why not take it as an opportunity to appreciate the hard work that good providers put in to create an awesome experience for you.

Freaking A right! I spent at least 800 bucks last year on STD tests and I refuse to have ratchet towels or sheets, which I don't even know how to quantify how much I spend on linens because it's a revolving door item.

I go thru an ungodly amount of body wash and mouthwash showering myself and the gentlemen before and after each session. Let's not forget that I have to buy the good razors and shave twice as much than I do when I am not hobbying...the list is literally endless!

And the end result is creating a little piece of heaven for the guys to escape to, relax, unwind, get wound back up, and blow a massive load....which IMO is priceless.

[Jules Jaguar]

Originally Posted by 2short@desky

That's just plumb dumb and snarky. If you cannot see the difference in market strategy for volume penetration versus market specific dominance in one category it's no wonder you make such childish statements. The thing you forgot is that Lamborghini doesn't want to sell to everybody, because they know it's a different market, which reduces them to just another Chev Impala. We're talking Chevies, Toyotas, and Fords not Lisa Anne's or Holley Halston's.

Neither do we!! Wow

[2short@desky]

Originally Posted by Grace Preston

One need not be a porn star to "not want to fuck everybody". Hell, that comment alone right there would make me not want to fuck you--

I'm really glad this topic sprung up.. its been time for me to raise my rates a little anyhow.

Well we may not have to worry about that. Porn stars don't want to fuck everybody. That was my point, they are the Lamborghinis and dwell in a much higher market. Consequently they can demand a higher figure because of their primadonna status. Me, I'm just an ordinary guy, like a typical Ford or Chev, doesn't bother me one bit to be considered as such....or less If you don't won't to fuck me I guess I'll just have to figure some way to cope with it

[2short@desky]

Originally Posted by Jules Jaguar

Neither do we!! Wow

Just who said you did? I didn't say that.

[DFWClubgoer]

As I said earlier, for small percentage on both sides money will never be a problem.

That is not my world and I’m guessing not the world 99% involved in this thread.

[pyramider]

Originally Posted by 2short@desky

Just who said you did? I didn't say that.

Sure you did ...

[corona]

Originally Posted by pyramider

I have often stated on these types of threads even if the lady gave the these fucktards freebies they would still complain that she failed to make him a sammich.

I just wanted to say I'm pro sandwich. But hell, I'll make 'em we can both have one!