Social Security and Medicare-A Conservative Weapon

[WTF]

Originally Posted by nevergaveitathought

..restoring the 716 billion obama took out of it to mask the trauma that is obamacare

Obamacare has not taken 700 billion out of Medicare. Seniors will still get the same care. He is going to pay less for some things that the government used to pay for.

Be like paying 10 dollars for a toliet seat you once paid 500 dollars for. You still got a seat to shit on you dumb ass. You just paid less for it.

Romney's plan is to take that 716 billion and make you buy private insurance with it.

It is all a tad more complicated than that but if you do not even know the basicis , I do not want to overwhelm you!

[nevergaveitathought]

Originally Posted by WTF

Obamacare has not taken 700 billion out of Medicare. Seniors will still get the same care. He is going to pay less for some things that the government used to pay for.

Be like paying 10 dollars for a toliet seat you once paid 500 dollars for. You still got a seat to shit on you dumb ass. You just paid less for it.

it has so taken it out...well there was nothing to start with but the amounts allocated to it on paper were reduced..to mask the trauma that is obamacare

yes your hobbiesobbie....on paper the benefits of medicare are the same, just the money has been changed to protect the guilty, just try to get a haircut for a dollar somewhere today

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Originally Posted by nevergaveitathought

, just try to get a haircut for a dollar somewhere today

Try getting health insurance with a Ryan voucher.

See how your poor ass feels after you voted for that SOB that cut the wealth's tax rate so that you would not be able to afford health insurance.

[nevergaveitathought]

Originally Posted by WTF

Try getting health insurance with a Ryan voucher.

See how your poor ass feels after you voted for that SOB that cut the wealth's tax rate so that you would not be able to afford health insurance.

you dolt, there is no ryan voucher...read up on it

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Originally Posted by nevergaveitathought

you dolt, there is no ryan voucher...read up on it

Medicare beneficiaries would get voucher payments to buy private insurance plans. Medicare enrollees would choose among competing private insurance plans, offered on a new Medicare Exchange similar to the insurance exchange now offered to federal workers, including members of Congress. The plans offered through the exchange would be required to cover everyone, regardless of pre-existing conditions, and would be prohibited from charging discriminatory rates based on age and health condition. They would also be required to meet a minimum standard of coverage. The vouchers would go directly from the government to the insurance company

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/paul-...#ixzz23pOcRh2W

[nevergaveitathought]

Originally Posted by WTF

Medicare beneficiaries would get voucher payments to buy private insurance plans. Medicare enrollees would choose among competing private insurance plans, offered on a new Medicare Exchange similar to the insurance exchange now offered to federal workers, including members of Congress. The plans offered through the exchange would be required to cover everyone, regardless of pre-existing conditions, and would be prohibited from charging discriminatory rates based on age and health condition. They would also be required to meet a minimum standard of coverage. The vouchers would go directly from the government to the insurance company

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/paul-...#ixzz23pOcRh2W

arrrrgggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

you cant or havent read my previous posts and you post a portion of a bill that has not passed and wont pass and isnt being run on...you are a bulldog without a butt to back you up

[WTF]

Originally Posted by nevergaveitathought

arrrrgggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!yo u cant or havent read my previous posts and you post a portion of a bill that has not passed and wont pass and isnt being run on...you are a bulldog without a butt to back you up

Just read up on a subject matter before commenting. Those radio talk show hosts make a living out of lying to folks like you that don't know any better! Then you repeat their lies and the LovingKayla will believe you and before we know it there is a room full of Retards...errrrrrrrr, I mean Tea Folks, thinking a bunch of crazy caca.

never, that is wtf Ryan wants to pass. Vote for the SOB if you want to. But that is his plan. You are right, it could not pass Congress because Democrats would not vote for it. Now you have a chance to do so by voting for Ryan.

This is exactly why I think Ryan/Romney will be defeated. What they want to pass will not cut it with voters.

[CJ7]

Couponcare.

the old farts in Florida will absolutely love it!


not.

[nevergaveitathought]

i see you have jeepman believing you...yeah butch thats right butch ...get 'em butch

[CuteOldGuy]

Originally Posted by WTF

Medicare beneficiaries would get voucher payments to buy private insurance plans. Medicare enrollees would choose among competing private insurance plans, offered on a new Medicare Exchange similar to the insurance exchange now offered to federal workers, including members of Congress. The plans offered through the exchange would be required to cover everyone, regardless of pre-existing conditions, and would be prohibited from charging discriminatory rates based on age and health condition. They would also be required to meet a minimum standard of coverage. The vouchers would go directly from the government to the insurance company

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/paul-...#ixzz23pOcRh2W

You mean offer people a choice? How terrible! This will never work, people are too ignorant to choose for themselves! Democrats understand this.

What a dumbass. (That's WDF, not Ryan.)

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Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

You mean offer people a choice? How terrible! This will never work, people are too ignorant to choose for themselves! Democrats understand this.

What a dumbass. (That's WDF, not Ryan.)

If you have a voucher for 100 dollars and insurance cost 200 dollars, then that ain't much of a choice COFool.

Remember Ryan is not indexing the COL increases to health care costs but to a lower index. I forget which one but not near as high as healthcare cost are rising!

Read up on this shit and quit with the Shit For Brains talking points.

[CuteOldGuy]

Where does it say that the voucher will not cover the insurance? Where does it say that the coverage available by voucher will not be as good as what will be provided by Medicare? Where does it say that the vouchers will be mandatory?

You make shit up, then knock it down, and call yourself smart. That's why you're a dumbass.

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Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

Where does it say that the voucher will not cover the insurance? Where does it say that the coverage available by voucher will not be as good as what will be provided by Medicare? Where does it say that the vouchers will be mandatory?

You make shit up, then knock it down, and call yourself smart. That's why you're a dumbass.

You want me to come over and read it to you too old man? He index's health care , not to the rising cost of oh say healthcare. Be like indexing your car insurance to a horse buggy's costs.





Under Ryan's first plans, voucher payments increased based on changes in the consumer-price-index, which accounts for general inflation, rather than healthcare inflation, which is higher. What that means is that, over time, seniors would end up paying more out of pocket for healthcare.

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/paul-...#ixzz23rLC0Gfv

[CuteOldGuy]

You forget to factor in economies of scale and competition, both of which will drive costs down. Isn't that the point? Lowering costs? And if given a choice, seniors will be able to tailor coverage to fit their own particular needs and not pay for coverage they will never use. That will also drive costs down. And improve quality.

I'm not a big Ryan fan, in fact, not a fan at all. But lying about his program does nothing but cloud the issue.

You simply are against individual freedom and choice, and think that only government has the answer. You have no understanding of market economics. You live for that government, which you love, to care for you.

[dilbert firestorm]

Originally Posted by Whirlaway

That is basically the Chilean retirement system !

yeah, but that was after the country's bitch president cristina kirstener confiscated it to pay its debt load.