When is it time to retire?

[simpleton]

I ran across this article about a 100 year old lady who's still working. she said losing her teeth was a godsend and dudes that liked titts and had a foot fetish were great because both are in the same area.Which made me laugh out loud.

here's the article
http://bisserjeta.hsara.com/2012/01/...-going-strong/

[Outdoorsman]

Lina you make some good points. I realize that no lady can come on here and say "she hates being a whore." I am a business owner as well and I understand marketing. I am talking about the root, the core inner belief of a woman. Not all women, I cannot speak for that, but I can explain my experiences.

In my experience, most ladies tell me they are just doing this for college money, just for 5 years until I get back on my feet, I have a lifestyle I have to keep up where can I find job that pays like this one does. I am only saying what I hear from the ladies I have seen. I do not ask them, they just feel a need to explain or justify and when one has to justify an action it is usually because they feel the action is detrimental in some way.

I have not yet heard one lady, tell me and mean it "I do this Outdoorsman because the sex is great and I just love to fuck"

I love my job, very much, do I love it at all times? no. But loving my job do I hear pitiful situations where my heart breaks and I do the work for a discount or for free, I do. I do this because it is the right thing to do for that particular person and I love being of service to others. When is the last time a provider loved fucking so much she called me up and said she was bored and wanted to fuck for a discount? Never, people that love what they do, do it for the passion not just the money. In my expereicne with the women I have been exposed to, they do this job for "money and laziness." Nothing worng with that. To each their own, I do not judge at all.

I just wonder at times if my actions are contributing to destructive thinking and self image to some ladies. Because if so, then I do not wish to be a part of it. A large number of ladies I have seen and no longer see are simply in denial about their self esteem. It is that simple.

Why do providers fall in love with no job, no money, abusive men? In my experience it is because they have low self esteem and do not feel they deserve a good man. Where does that low self esteem generate? In my experience from their job.

Does that pattern apply to ALL provders, absolutely not. Does it apply to many? How many of you know a provider that fell for the type of man I described? Every hobbyest I ever talked to knew at least one if not multiple.

I can only control my actions, and so i look for the women with confidence and self assurance, that tell their families what they do, etc. etc. But does the job still reflect badly on that inidiviual, IDK. But at times I wonder, that's all.

[ForumPoster]

So do you

Originally Posted by Outdoorsman

I love my job, very much, do I love it at all times? no. But loving my job do I hear pitiful situations where my heart breaks and I do the work for a discount or for free, I do. I do this because it is the right thing to do for that particular person and I love being of service to others. When is the last time a provider loved fucking so much she called me up and said she was bored and wanted to fuck for a discount? Never, people that love what they do, do it for the passion not just the money. In my expereicne with the women I have been exposed to, they do this job for "money and laziness." Nothing worng with that. To each their own, I do not judge at all.

You were absolutely correct, we ARE business owners. So why don't companions practice same kind of occasional "on the house" kind of business practice as you (and many other business owners) do?

Reason #1 - we are in business of selling a WANT product, not a NEED product. Its a luxury, not necessity. If you are in business of selling food, then sure you may run into a family that does not have grocery money, kids go to bed hungry and you feel compelled to give them a free meal. If you are a doctor and patient walks in without any means to pay for your services, once again you may feel that its the right thing to do and treat them free. Examples are endless.

But if you make and sell custom made shoes starting at $400 per pair and someone walks in and says "I got 20 bucks and I could go and buy pair of boots in Payless Shoes, but I just HAVE to have this pair of red pumps", I can guarantee you the response even from most enthusiastic shoe maker will be too graphic to post on the board.

If you own 5 star restaurant and someone walks in with foodstamps and says "I could go and buy myself food, but I WANT to have dinner in your upscale establishment, could I have it for free since you just happen to love to cook", once again you will tell them to pound salt.

Reason #2

Brand devaluation. If my hairdresser called me and said "I love cutting hair so much, why don't you stop by today and I will give you $120 hair cut for free", what's to make me pay him next time i need my hair done? I will simply wait till he feels the need to cut hair and calls me again.

Reason #3

It blurs the lines. The envelope that you leave on her bedside table allows both of you to keep things in perspective no matter how well the two of you may be getting along. Take it away and we the providers turn into civvies with all the positives and negatives associated with regular dating.

That said, there are ways to offer free services without diluting one's brand. For example, if someone books an overnight with me on somewhat regular basis, I may offer to extend an overnight into 24h engagement without extra charge. If someone books dinner date (again on regular basis) I will offer to extend it to Clock Free, etc.

Originally Posted by Outdoorsman

I just wonder at times if my actions are contributing to destructive thinking and self image to some ladies. Because if so, then I do not wish to be a part of it. A large number of ladies I have seen and no longer see are simply in denial about their self esteem. It is that simple.

Unfortunately you probably do contribute to certain self destructive behaviors. If that truly weights on your conscience the best you can do is to "screen out" those ladies who seem to enter this profession without clear exit strategy.

Originally Posted by Outdoorsman

Why do providers fall in love with no job, no money, abusive men? In my experience it is because they have low self esteem and do not feel they deserve a good man. Where does that low self esteem generate? In my experience from their job.

Oy vey .. because we are human and we want love just as much as any other woman? UNFORTUNATELY more often than not it comes down to choice between being single for as long as you work as a companion or dating less than desirable man. Low self-esteem is least of my problems, but I am realistic enough to know that if i were to make match.com profile and list my occupation as "escort" I would get messages from very specific population segment.

Lina

[alluringava]

Like I said, when I have to take my teeth out to give gummers and not hummers, and when I walk past a field of mares they tell me I need to head to the glue factory LOL

[Outdoorsman]

You make some good points Lina, I like the argument concerning luxury items vs. necessity. That is a good one and thank you for pointing that out.

I agree, you are human, absolutely, and as humans we do fall in love. That was not my point, my point was that many providers fall for less than desirable men. Maybe, it is a matter of choice and slim pickings, IDK. But I have seen many well to do hobbyests fall for providers and these hobbyests, which seem to be decent men with money, homes, family are passed over for no job, no money losers that abuse them. Just seems strange to me. I do not have the answers, I do know that, lol.

I just know right now in my life, I am trying to stop any destruction related to me and I hope that means I do not have to give up or retire from hobbying, but it may, IDK yet.

[ForumPoster]

Originally Posted by Outdoorsman

.... my point was that many providers fall for less than desirable men. Maybe, it is a matter of choice and slim pickings, IDK. But I have seen many well to do hobbyests fall for providers and these hobbyests, which seem to be decent men with money, homes, family are passed over for no job, no money losers that abuse them. Just seems strange to me. I do not have the answers, I do know that, lol.

I just know right now in my life, I am trying to stop any destruction related to me and I hope that means I do not have to give up or retire from hobbying, but it may, IDK yet.

Answer is simple. There are many MARRIED "decent men with money, homes, family" , many "decent men with money, homes, family" who for one reason or another are not in market for LTR, but how many SINGLE "decent men with money, homes, family" are out there who are capable of monogamous long term relationships and can disregard the stigma of their SO being a companion?

Sure there are few, I have met several patrons over the years who I would hang my garters for without blinking an eye.

Choosing potential SO among men who know our provider personas is sorta like choosing a president among US Senators. You may choose the best of those in the running but chances are he is going to be a crook anyway

Few exceptions are life style swingers and men who who are secure enough to recognize its a job.


Unfortunately, absolute majority of those who won't run for the hills are either hobbyists who weasel their way into LTR with companions just for the freebies or wanna be pimps.

[Naomi4u]

Originally Posted by Sensual Lina

So do you




You were absolutely correct, we ARE business owners. So why don't companions practice same kind of occasional "on the house" kind of business practice as you (and many other business owners) do?

Reason #1 - we are in business of selling a WANT product, not a NEED product. Its a luxury, not necessity. If you are in business of selling food, then sure you may run into a family that does not have grocery money, kids go to bed hungry and you feel compelled to give them a free meal. If you are a doctor and patient walks in without any means to pay for your services, once again you may feel that its the right thing to do and treat them free. Examples are endless.

But if you make and sell custom made shoes starting at $400 per pair and someone walks in and says "I got 20 bucks and I could go and buy pair of boots in Payless Shoes, but I just HAVE to have this pair of red pumps", I can guarantee you the response even from most enthusiastic shoe maker will be too graphic to post on the board.

If you own 5 star restaurant and someone walks in with foodstamps and says "I could go and buy myself food, but I WANT to have dinner in your upscale establishment, could I have it for free since you just happen to love to cook", once again you will tell them to pound salt.

Reason #2

Brand devaluation. If my hairdresser called me and said "I love cutting hair so much, why don't you stop by today and I will give you $120 hair cut for free", what's to make me pay him next time i need my hair done? I will simply wait till he feels the need to cut hair and calls me again.

Reason #3

It blurs the lines. The envelope that you leave on her bedside table allows both of you to keep things in perspective no matter how well the two of you may be getting along. Take it away and we the providers turn into civvies with all the positives and negatives associated with regular dating.

That said, there are ways to offer free services without diluting one's brand. For example, if someone books an overnight with me on somewhat regular basis, I may offer to extend an overnight into 24h engagement without extra charge. If someone books dinner date (again on regular basis) I will offer to extend it to Clock Free, etc.



Unfortunately you probably do contribute to certain self destructive behaviors. If that truly weights on your conscience the best you can do is to "screen out" those ladies who seem to enter this profession without clear exit strategy.





Oy vey .. because we are human and we want love just as much as any other woman? UNFORTUNATELY more often than not it comes down to choice between being single for as long as you work as a companion or dating less than desirable man. Low self-esteem is least of my problems, but I am realistic enough to know that if i were to make match.com profile and list my occupation as "escort" I would get messages from very specific population segment.

Lina

100% agree on all points! You're a smart woman, Lina!

[sixxbach]

Originally Posted by burkalini

It's hard to tell someone else that's it's time to retire but I can tell you I have seen a couple of providers that should. Age has nothing to do with it. Burn out or bad attitude does though

Staff edit, unnecessary comment. CC

sixx

[charlestudor2005]

Originally Posted by Sensual Lina

There are many MARRIED "decent men with money, homes, family" , many "decent men with money, homes, family" who for one reason or another are not in market for LTR, but how many SINGLE "decent men with money, homes, family" are out there who are capable of monogamous long term relationships and can disregard the stigma of their SO being a companion?

As one person said, "All the GOOD MEN are either already taken, or haven't been born yet."

[Naomi4u]

Originally Posted by charlestudor2005

As one person said, "All the GOOD MEN are either already taken, or haven't been born yet."

....I must agree.

[ForumPoster]

Originally Posted by charlestudor2005

As one person said, "All the GOOD MEN are either already taken, or haven't been born yet."

Gay, u forgot about the gays!

[alluringava]

Originally Posted by charlestudor2005

As one person said, "All the GOOD MEN are either already taken, or haven't been born yet."

So that means I have to be a mistress or prepare to be a real cradle snatcher.

[Reya Sunshine]

I've yet to read anything from Lina that didn't totally make sense to me...it's always like she knows my point exactly and then states it for me waaay more eloquently than I ever could.

Lina, I wish you'd visit the Austin forums and comment on posts that catch your attention, you always get my point across much better than I can.

[rharley]

Lina, I just don't agree with your line of thought. First of all, a "need" is going to get fulfilled no mater what. "wants" will be gone without so the need is filled. A "want" is something that you dont have to buy, and are probably debating seriously if funds are tight. Throwing out a discount may make your goods or services affordable to the person at this particular time where it would otherwise not be. Now if you provide a good or service at a discount, and the good or service is so "good" thatd the customer is so thrilled with the performance and quality, they will place a higher value on it, maybe to the point that it not only becomes the number 1 want, but even becomes a "need".

Originally Posted by Sensual Lina

So do you




You were absolutely correct, we ARE business owners. So why don't companions practice same kind of occasional "on the house" kind of business practice as you (and many other business owners) do?

Reason #1 - we are in business of selling a WANT product, not a NEED product. Its a luxury, not necessity. If you are in business of selling food, then sure you may run into a family that does not have grocery money, kids go to bed hungry and you feel compelled to give them a free meal. If you are a doctor and patient walks in without any means to pay for your services, once again you may feel that its the right thing to do and treat them free. Examples are endless.

But if you make and sell custom made shoes starting at $400 per pair and someone walks in and says "I got 20 bucks and I could go and buy pair of boots in Payless Shoes, but I just HAVE to have this pair of red pumps", I can guarantee you the response even from most enthusiastic shoe maker will be too graphic to post on the board.

If you own 5 star restaurant and someone walks in with foodstamps and says "I could go and buy myself food, but I WANT to have dinner in your upscale establishment, could I have it for free since you just happen to love to cook", once again you will tell them to pound salt.

Reason #2

Brand devaluation. If my hairdresser called me and said "I love cutting hair so much, why don't you stop by today and I will give you $120 hair cut for free", what's to make me pay him next time i need my hair done? I will simply wait till he feels the need to cut hair and calls me again.

Reason #3

It blurs the lines. The envelope that you leave on her bedside table allows both of you to keep things in perspective no matter how well the two of you may be getting along. Take it away and we the providers turn into civvies with all the positives and negatives associated with regular dating.

That said, there are ways to offer free services without diluting one's brand. For example, if someone books an overnight with me on somewhat regular basis, I may offer to extend an overnight into 24h engagement without extra charge. If someone books dinner date (again on regular basis) I will offer to extend it to Clock Free, etc.



Unfortunately you probably do contribute to certain self destructive behaviors. If that truly weights on your conscience the best you can do is to "screen out" those ladies who seem to enter this profession without clear exit strategy.





Oy vey .. because we are human and we want love just as much as any other woman? UNFORTUNATELY more often than not it comes down to choice between being single for as long as you work as a companion or dating less than desirable man. Low self-esteem is least of my problems, but I am realistic enough to know that if i were to make match.com profile and list my occupation as "escort" I would get messages from very specific population segment.

Lina

[ForumPoster]

Originally Posted by rharley

Lina, I just don't agree with your line of thought. First of all, a "need" is going to get fulfilled no mater what. "wants" will be gone without so the need is filled. A "want" is something that you dont have to buy, and are probably debating seriously if funds are tight. Throwing out a discount may make your goods or services affordable to the person at this particular time where it would otherwise not be. Now if you provide a good or service at a discount, and the good or service is so "good" thatd the customer is so thrilled with the performance and quality, they will place a higher value on it, maybe to the point that it not only becomes the number 1 want, but even becomes a "need".

Not to turn this into political / economical debate, but overall confusion of "want" and "need" products/services is exactly what led our economy into such shit hole. Safe housing is a NEED, an over mortgaged McMansion is a WANT. Nutrition is a NEED. Gourmet meal charged on credit card is a WANT.

Sex may be a NEED, but it can be achieved by a lot of other means, not only by scheduling with professional companion that charges 300 and up per hour.

Once you venture into certain price brackets it becomes luxury service, not just satisfaction of basic needs.


Lina