most accurate poll in 2012 shows trump leading

[nevergaveitathought]

Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX

Can you prove that Democrats were over-sampled in any of the national polls? And I was not being sarcastic in my post. Republicans are behind in the national polls so tnevergaveitathought says he polls are rigged. Donald Trump in all likelihood will lose the election so he says the voting must be rigged. Al Gore, who I voted against, lost the election in 2000 by a handful of votes and to the best of my knowledge never mentioned "voter fraud".

can I prove it?
the individual polls reveal that themselves. don't you keep up? they ask respondents to self identify. look it up

sarcastic? I know you weren't being sarcastic, never said you were, in fact I said you weren't being sarcastic

"Donald Trump in all likelihood will lose the election so he says the voting must be rigged":
trump is saying a lot of things that represent his idea of the election being rigged, its not just illegal votes. illegal voting is a small part of it. its not the "voting", but yes the dimocrats are shamelessly up for that, too.

he probably feels the election have been rigged in the following senses:

the dnc rigged its primary

in the republican primary he didn't like the way certain states allocated their delegates

the doj and fbi were rigged & hellary evaded prosecution

in 2012 the irs did its part and rigged the election preventing conservative non-profits their rightful voice

the media is against trump and rigs disclosures, timing them for release at the most politically opportune moment. they run with salacious items against him when they were and are silent and protective of democrat candidates and presidents. they collude with the hellary campaign in various ways. but of course, its not just against trump, the media have always tried to destroy republicans in the general election

"tnevergaveitathought (sic) says he (sic) polls are rigged":
the only point I made was the hellary campaign wanted dimocrats oversampled and they have been

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[SpeedRacerXXX]

Originally Posted by nevergaveitathought

can I prove it?
the individual polls reveal that themselves. don't you keep up? they ask respondents to self identify. look it up

sarcastic? I know you weren't being sarcastic, never said you were, in fact I said you weren't being sarcastic

"Donald Trump in all likelihood will lose the election so he says the voting must be rigged":
trump is saying a lot of things that represent his idea of the election being rigged, its not just illegal votes. illegal voting is a small part of it. its not the "voting", but yes the dimocrats are up for that, too.

he probably feels the election have been rigged in the following senses:

the dnc rigged its primary

in the republican primary he didn't like the way certain states allocated their delegates

the doj and fbi were rigged & hellary evaded prosecution

in 2012 the irs did its part and rigged the election preventing conservative non-profits their rightful voice

the media is against trump and rigs disclosures, timing them for release at the most politically opportune moment. they run with salacious items against him when they were and are silent and protective of democrat candidates and presidents. they collude with the hellary campaign in various ways. but of course, its not just against trump, the media have always tried to destroy republicans in the general election

"tnevergaveitathought (sic) says he (sic) polls are rigged":
the only point I made was the hellary campaign wanted dimocrats oversampled and they have been

You still have given no solid proof that the polls are rigged and Democrats are over-represented. Were they in 2012 when they accurately predicted the popular vote?

I did not accuse you of saying I was being sarcastic. Luke Wyatt said I was being sarcastic in my post and I responded that I was not.

I don't like the DNC "superdelegates" at all. One person, one vote. They have been around since 1984 so they should have been no surprise in 2016. The rules were set independent of the candidates who might be in contention. In 2016 they favored Clinton. In 2008, they favored Obama and not Clinton. So why was Clinton unable to "rig" the superdelegate vote in 2008?

The FBI and DOJ were rigged? Again, any proof to that allegation? The decisions were not want you wanted so the decisions must have been rigged. THAT is sarcasm. Long before the decision by Comey, I said on this forum that Clinton was in a lose-lose situation. If she was found guilty of any major crime, obviously she loses. If she was found innocent of any major crime, certain major factions would not agree with the decision and she would lose.

CNN is definitely pro-Clinton. FOX news is in my opinion pro-Trump. I personally find little favoritism on the major news networks such as NBC, ABC, and CBS. I only listen to the world news in the evening and they report the news, not comment on it. If they show favoritism towards Clinton, I haven't seen it.

I'm sorry, I'm just not into conspiracy theories. On rare occasions they are right, but the majority of the time they are brought forward by people who are unhappy with the status quo.

[nevergaveitathought]

Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX

You still have given no solid proof that the polls are rigged and Democrats are over-represented. Were they in 2012 when they accurately predicted the popular vote?

I did not accuse you of saying I was being sarcastic. Luke Wyatt said I was being sarcastic in my post and I responded that I was not.

I don't like the DNC "superdelegates" at all. One person, one vote. They have been around since 1984 so they should have been no surprise in 2016. The rules were set independent of the candidates who might be in contention. In 2016 they favored Clinton. In 2008, they favored Obama and not Clinton. So why was Clinton unable to "rig" the superdelegate vote in 2008?

The FBI and DOJ were rigged? Again, any proof to that allegation? The decisions were not want you wanted so the decisions must have been rigged. THAT is sarcasm. Long before the decision by Comey, I said on this forum that Clinton was in a lose-lose situation. If she was found guilty of any major crime, obviously she loses. If she was found innocent of any major crime, certain major factions would not agree with the decision and she would lose.

CNN is definitely pro-Clinton. FOX news is in my opinion pro-Trump. I personally find little favoritism on the major news networks such as NBC, ABC, and CBS. I only listen to the world news in the evening and they report the news, not comment on it. If they show favoritism towards Clinton, I haven't seen it.

I'm sorry, I'm just not into conspiracy theories. On rare occasions they are right, but the majority of the time they are brought forward by people who are unhappy with the status quo.

the polls oversample...that's what I said. you keep putting words in my mouth


the pollsters think that's appropriate, they have their argument, but its a subjective argument

I never said the polls were "rigged", as I don't have that information

the latest abc poll that claimed hellary was up 11 percent had, I think, 9 percent more dimocrats than republicans in its sample.

and yes there are conspiracies that are real, read the wikileaks emails, and yes the institutions of government are filled with corruptible people from obama on down

and while I may believe the doj is corrupt and comey as well, I didn't say that either, and you want me to PROVE it,while what I said was that trump may feel that's part of what he means when saying the election is rigged

[southtown4488]

Trump supporters are so confident, but not one will take a simple one year political forum ban bet. cowards.

[Yssup Rider]

Meanwhile, the "most accurate poll from 2012" has Clinton in the lead. So does the Republican polling hack Rasmussen.

[Yssup Rider]

Originally Posted by southtown4488

Trump supporters are so confident, but not one will take a simple one year political forum ban bet. cowards.

The chickenshit pussies won't even take a 90 day forum ban given 3-1 odds.

What a bunch a mewling crybabies!!!!

[southtown4488]

Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

The chickenshit pussies won't even take a 90 day forum ban given 3-1 odds.

What a bunch a mewling crybabies!!!!

those cunts know theyre full of shit.

[Yssup Rider]

How was early voting in your neck of the woods yesterday? Waited over an hour!

Tarrant County turnout was so large that Abbott warned election officials against "massive voter fraud." In a republican county.

Texas is definitely in play.

[southtown4488]

haven't voted yet, but early voting is usually pretty quick around here. . . voting day is usually a 30 minute type wait.

I remember when I voted for Bill Clinton, when I was about 18. . . that line went outside and halfway around the building.

[NiceGuy53]

Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX

Can you prove that Democrats were over-sampled in any of the national polls? And I was not being sarcastic in my post. Republicans are behind in the national polls so tnevergaveitathought says he polls are rigged. Donald Trump in all likelihood will lose the election so he says the voting must be rigged. Al Gore, who I voted against, lost the election in 2000 by a handful of votes and to the best of my knowledge never mentioned "voter fraud".

The ABC News Poll that shows Clinton with a 12 point percentage lead was over sampled with Democrats. The partisan divisions on this poll are as follows: 36% Democrats; 27% Republicans and 31% Independents.http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/stres...ry?id=43024209

Clinton still leads in most polls but she does not have a 12% advantage. Polls that over sample Democrats, like this ABC News Poll, skew the Real Clear Politics Poll average in her favor.

[SpeedRacerXXX]

Originally Posted by nevergaveitathought

the polls oversample...that's what I said. you keep putting words in my mouth


the pollsters think that's appropriate, they have their argument, but its a subjective argument

I never said the polls were "rigged", as I don't have that information

the latest abc poll that claimed hellary was up 11 percent had, I think, 9 percent more dimocrats than republicans in its sample.

and yes there are conspiracies that are real, read the wikileaks emails, and yes the institutions of government are filled with corruptible people from obama on down

and while I may believe the doj is corrupt and comey as well, I didn't say that either, and you want me to PROVE it,while what I said was that trump may feel that's part of what he means when saying the election is rigged

I did not mean to put words in your mouth. You believe the polls are incorrect due to an over-sampling of Democrats and that this over-sampling is intentional in order to make Clinton look more favored than she actually is. If that is in fact true, then I think the polling is rigged.

Your exact words on the FBI and DOJ were "the doj and fbi were rigged & hellary evaded prosecution." So you did say it and all I asked was whether or not you have any proof that their decisions were somehow rigged?

As for the other "conspiracies", let's just say you have your opinion and I have mine as to whether or not they truly exist.

[SpeedRacerXXX]

Originally Posted by NiceGuy53

The ABC News Poll that shows Clinton with a 12 point percentage lead was over sampled with Democrats. The partisan divisions on this poll are as follows: 36% Democrats; 27% Republicans and 31% Independents.http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/stres...ry?id=43024209

Clinton still leads in most polls but she does not have a 12% advantage. Polls that over sample Democrats, like this ABC News Poll, skew the Real Clear Politics Poll average in her favor.

I would agree that the results of this poll are definitely suspect. But like I've said before, the polls on popular vote are interesting but meaningless in that electoral vote is what matters and Clinton has an almost insurmountable lead in that category. Again, though, this is based on polls.

[bambino]

Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX

I did not mean to put words in your mouth. You believe the polls are incorrect due to an over-sampling of Democrats and that this over-sampling is intentional in order to make Clinton look more favored than she actually is. If that is in fact true, then I think the polling is rigged.

Your exact words on the FBI and DOJ were "the doj and fbi were rigged & hellary evaded prosecution." So you did say it and all I asked was whether or not you have any proof that their decisions were somehow rigged?

As for the other "conspiracies", let's just say you have your opinion and I have mine as to whether or not they truly exist.

There may never be proof that the FBI's investigation was rigged, but there's enough information about this boondoggle that a reasonable person can deduce it was rigged. The new relevation about the 670,000 donation to the wife of the FBIs lead investigator of Clinton only leads to more speculation. And there's this:


http://www.westernjournalism.com/the...stroy-america/

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