Trump Has Saved 330 million in the U.S.

[dilbert firestorm]

Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

blaming Trump for not acting is false to begin with but do your self a fav and don't believe any ChimCom propaganda about how they "contained" anything.

https://www.google.com/search?client...vid+death+toll

https://www.worldometers.info/corona...us-death-toll/

Trump banned flights from China on Jan 31st. here is the World death toll for January

Jan. 31 259 46 22%
Jan. 30 213 43 25%
Jan. 29 170 38 29%
Jan. 28 132 26 25%
Jan. 27 106 26 33%
Jan. 26. 80 24 43%
Jan. 25. 56 15 37%
Jan. 24. 41 16 64%
Jan. 23. 25. 8 47%

allowing that any early data from China is flawed there is not pandemic yet. if China had reported this sooner Trump would have acted sooner but to say Trump was late to act based on known data and Fauci were saying is false. in fact Trump was right and Fauci wrong and Trump acted anyway.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/...131306831.html

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[yitzchak]

Trump's speech today was pretty good. The stats are looking good, too. My job just called and pulled me out of furlough. Maybe, the economy is already improving??

Let's see if we can pull this off.

[yitzchak]

His speech was pretty good until he got pissed and stormed off. Why does he do that? I don't think that helps him at all, and it doesn't help those who are watching, either.

[SpeedRacerXXX]

I watched for a while until what was supposed to be a COVID-19 update turned into a political speech. Trump is rather boring when he is forced to read from the teleprompter at a monotone voice level with rarely looking up. It gets exciting during the Q&A but I had tuned him out long before that.

[adav8s28]

Originally Posted by yitzchak

Fauci said around 2 million people would die if nothing was done.

The two million is a conservative estimate. Right now in the USA you have about 3 million infected (1.5M with symptoms, 1.5M without symptoms) and 88,000 deaths. This makes the death rate in the USA 2.9%. Over time this will probably lower to 2%. So far CV19 is proving to have a higher death rate SARs or Influenza. If 200 million citizens in the USA got infected there would be a lot more than 2 million deaths. The data is the data.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graph...-cases-deaths/

[The_Waco_Kid]

Originally Posted by adav8s28

The two million is a conservative estimate. Right now in the USA you have about 3 million infected (1.5M with symptoms, 1.5M without symptoms) and 88,000 deaths. This makes the death rate in the USA 2.9%. Over time this will probably lower to 2%. So far CV19 is proving to have a higher death rate SARs or Influenza. If 200 million citizens in the USA got infected there would be a lot more than 2 million deaths. The data is the data.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graph...-cases-deaths/

the death rate is not 3%. your link doesn't state that or any rate. so where are you doing your math? are you taking the NY Times who claim it's 4% and figure it's 3 really? both are too high per the data


Why We Don’t Know the True Death Rate for Covid-19

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/17/u...eath-rate.html


In Italy, the death rate stands at about 13 percent, and in the United States, around 4.3 percent, according to the latest figures on known cases and deaths. Even in South Korea, where widespread testing helped contain the outbreak, 2 percent of people who tested positive for the virus have died, recent data shows.


These supposed death rates also appear to vary widely by geography: Germany’s fatality rate appears to be roughly one-tenth of Italy’s, and Los Angeles’s about half of New York’s. Among U.S. states, Michigan, at around 7 percent, is at the high end, while Wyoming, which reported its first two deaths this week, has one of the lowest death rates, at about 0.7 percent.


Virology experts say there is no evidence that any strain of the virus, officially known as SARS-CoV-2, has mutated to become more severe in some parts of the world than others, raising the question of why there appears to be so much variance from country to country.



https://www.google.com/search?client...sclient=psy-ab




these numbers show 1,5200,000 Confirmed cases and 89,932 deaths.

if those numbers are accurate what's the death rate?

[adav8s28]

Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

the death rate is not 3%. your link doesn't state that or any rate. so where are you doing your math?

these numbers show 1,5200,000 Confirmed cases and 89,932 deaths.

if those numbers are accurate what's the death rate?

Again, assume the ratio of people with symptoms to the infected people without symptoms is 1 to 1.

Total infected in USA 1.5 million * 2 = 3 million

89,932/3,000,000 = 2.9% death rate

To get a death rate of .5 % there would need to be 13 million asymptomatic people out there in the USA. There is no proof of that. None.

[adav8s28]

Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

the death rate is not 3%. your link doesn't state that or any rate. so where are you doing your math?

these numbers show 1,5200,000 Confirmed cases and 89,932 deaths.

if those numbers are accurate what's the death rate?

You can't count the number of people with antibodies in one county and then estimate the number infections for the entire state.

[LexusLover]

Trump has saved about 330 million people. Now, if the CommunistSocialistLiberalDimwi ttedDemocraticGovernors would get with the program and quit placing citizens under "house arrest" to defeat Trump.

[gnadfly]

Right. They are going to lock up people who may be in danger of voting for Trump.

[Why_Yes_I_Do]

Try redoing the math. 88,000/330,000,000 does not yield anything close to 2%. It's more like 0.0026%

Originally Posted by adav8s28

The two million is a conservative estimate. Right now in the USA you have about 3 million infected (1.5M with symptoms, 1.5M without symptoms) and 88,000 deaths. This makes the death rate in the USA 2.9%...

[00 gauge]

And now that Solemate and Jaxboy have been granted extended vacations, we can also take a look at some of the facts that they refused to put out there (since they were cherrypicking the stats to make Trump look bad) ..... these numbers can be found at worldometers.info/coronavirus, currently in the U>S> there are 1,529,350 total confirmed cases, with 90,996 deaths (and each and every one of them of course were Trump's fault) and then the numbers they didn't want you to know - 346,389 confirmed recoveries, and 11,888,694 have been tested to see if they do have the virus, with no numbers on how many tested negative .....

[adav8s28]

Originally Posted by Why_Yes_I_Do

Try redoing the math. 88,000/330,000,000 does not yield anything close to 2%. It's more like 0.0026%

Anyone with half a brain will tell you. The death rate would be: Total # of deaths/ Total number of infected people.

Not the total population of the USA (unless all 330 million citizens of the USA were infected) There is no proof for that.

Back to biology class for you.

[eccielover]

Originally Posted by 00 gauge

And now that Solemate and Jaxboy have been granted extended vacations

I can't see where Solemate was banned. Maybe afraid to post with a ton of points after being chastised by our lovely mod, but he doesn't show being a member of the BAND.

Originally Posted by adav8s28

Anyone with half a brain will tell you. The death rate would be: Total # of deaths/ Total number of infected people.

Not the total population of the USA (unless all 330 million citizens of the USA were infected) There is no proof for that.

Back to biology class for you.

So anyone with half a brain would realize that the "crude mortality rate" is exactly that of using the entire population.

Then the "infection mortality rate" is the rate using infected, which for NY was coming up around 10 times the cases reported.

And then there is the "case mortality rate" which uses the reported active cases instead of the larger pool of infected cases.

And then you have the one number of reported deaths(in the plus 90k range) and then the number of official deaths(in the plus 60k range). Neither of which are probably accurate as discussed in other threads already.

It is you who seem to need to go back to good statistics and biology courses.

In the end, the only one that's going to matter is the crude mortality rate and that is tracking by most estimates to be less than 1%, regardless of the your DemPanic numbers.

[Why_Yes_I_Do]

Nope. But which crackerjack box did you pull the total infected from anyway? You did hear tell Dr Birx say that the infection rate is much, much higher than they anticipated, based on sites where they did 100% testing. Either way, fact remains, total death toll is calculated against entire population, not just cherry picked to the others that are known infected. How many are unknown afflicted?

You cannot even calculate a recovery rate from the numbers you are trying to pawn off because you still don't know how many had it at all. But we can easily calculate that 99.99974% of the population has survived so far. Actually, it's probably even higher as many deaths labeled "COVID" are probably questionable - at best.

Originally Posted by adav8s28

Anyone with half a brain will tell you. The death rate would be: Total # of deaths/ Total number of infected people.

Not the total population of the USA (unless all 330 million citizens of the USA were infected) There is no proof for that....