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Old 02-21-2010, 12:29 PM   #31
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I understand you now ty. Because there's a difference between preferences and likes and dislikes.
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Old 02-21-2010, 01:10 PM   #32
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I would have to agree with this. There also seems very little representation of women of colour within escort agency rosters as well.

I think that comes down to ones mental image of what is considered attractive and influences of television, film and print that portray beautiful women as being "Blonde Bombshell", "Exotic Brunette"..These faces shown throughout media have been primarily Caucasian.

I live in a very multicultural city (a good place to tour btw), however, the amount of Ebony SP's is relatively small and many agencies and massage parlours refrain from hiring them. Asian escorts are in abundance here but have a bad reputation for being B&S which also makes it difficult for quality Asian providers.

As for myself, I have never had a client ask me about this but from my own personal experience (and of course a lot of has to do with where I live) working independently but I notice when reading some of the review boards in my area a large majority of the the "Craigs List Section" are of Ebony/Asian/Indian girls with much lower rates while the reviews in the "Reviews" section are primarily of Caucasian girls. To my knowledge - at least online, there are only a few of Ebony/Asian providers with rates similar to mine.




I suppose the curiosity comes from wondering what it is like to be on 'the other side of the coin'.
I would have to agree with this. There also seems very little representation of women of colour within escort agency rosters as well.

I think that comes down to ones mental image of what is considered attractive and influences of television, film and print that portray beautiful women as being "Blonde Bombshell", "Exotic Brunette"..These faces shown throughout media have been primarily Caucasian.

I live in a very multicultural city (a good place to tour btw), however, the amount of Ebony SP's is relatively small and many agencies and massage parlours refrain from hiring them. Asian escorts are in abundance here but have a bad reputation for being B&S which also makes it difficult for quality Asian providers.

As for myself, I have never had a client ask me about this but from my own personal experience (and of course a lot of has to do with where I live) working independently but I notice when reading some of the review boards in my area a large majority of the the "Craigs List Section" are of Ebony/Asian/Indian girls with much lower rates while the reviews in the "Reviews" section are primarily of Caucasian girls. To my knowledge - at least online, there are only a few of Ebony/Asian providers with rates similar to mine.




I suppose the curiosity comes from wondering what it is like to be on 'the other side of the coin'.[/QUOTE]

I am fairly new to the industry and came across this thought provoking thread. Arianne illuminated an interesting point in which I would like to expand upon. The media's influence of how women in general, and women of color more specifically are stratified should not be limited within the adult industry only, but also the beauty, cosmetic, fashion and entertainment industry as well. However, standards of beauty have in my opinion been socially and historically constructed which is closely linked to the media and print magazines portrayal of women of color, but also the historical depiction of women of color dating back to colonialism. (Totally different topic)

However, if you look back to childhood books such a "Snow White", "Cinderella" and "Sleeping Beauty" such fantasy books depict Caucasian women as being fair, beautiful maidens, with blue eyes, slim figures and long blonde or dark hair; whereas female characters such as "Pocahontas" and Princess Jasmine from the Aladdin movie fall out side of the category of "classic beauty". Descriptions of mocha tan skin tones, long, jet black hair, full lips, and an adventurous spirit in turn creates the constructed category of "exotic". Today in some major magazines we still witness women of color posing behind "exotic back drops". These dichotomies indirectly condition our notions of beauty, thus creating a stratification within such industries as the one we indulge within at present.

I can not speak extensively on the industry here in Toronto, as I am fairly new; but quite correctly stated by Arianne, some, not all (ebony, exotic, tropical SP's) however you want to put it feel they can not set fees that reflect their Caucasian associates due to the fact that some may feel they can not challenge the "traditional" standard of beauty. The description of my web site is entitled "Tropical Beauty" perhaps I have fell into this notion of the "other" however setting one self apart from the traditional standard is not a choice, but simply who I am.

Just a reflection...
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Sadly, I’d have to say it is a matter of perception about town like RK said because I’ve been there - done that. My ex who is Hispanic and I used to get looks in a select few places in Houston. I’d just smile and say, “He’s gorgeous isn’t he.” That pretty much stopped any “looks”.

Kind of a weird aside, we never got those looks in Europe or large Mexican cities, but in the small towns. You wanna talk about getting stared at! Really, very uncomfortable.
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Old 02-21-2010, 04:02 PM   #34
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I’m always asked by my clients about the differences we face in escorting as opposed to our Caucasian counterparts. Of course I tell them the general differences such as income/rates, advertising/marketing and location/demographics, but sometimes i’m still questioned further about my personal differences in the industry. I just wanted some positive (or negative) feedback as to…. why all the curiosity?
Two reasons I can think of why the curiosity.
The first; clients are trying to get the feel of you and the more they know about you the more comfortable they will feel. So it is in part a need to feel comfortable.

Second; general human curiosity to understand what we don't know or have not experienced.
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Two reasons I can think of why the curiosity.
The first; clients are trying to get the feel of you and the more they know about you the more comfortable they will feel. So it is in part a need to feel comfortable.

Second; general human curiosity to understand what we don't know or have not experienced.
Also, I think people feel comfortable talking to escorts about things they'd never converse about with civilians, just generally speaking. I've had some pretty intense conversations with first-time clients just because they feel like they can ask me anything.
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Old 02-28-2010, 06:21 AM   #36
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I’m always asked by my clients about the differences we face in escorting as opposed to our Caucasian counterparts. Of course I tell them the general differences such as income/rates, advertising/marketing and location/demographics, but sometimes i’m still questioned further about my personal differences in the industry. I just wanted some positive (or negative) feedback as to…. why all the curiosity?

Interesting question!

I'm currently working in Singapore, which is such a multicultural and multiracial society that the differences in rates are not so starkly based on colored vs Caucasian ladies.

Rather, I've noticed that the differences tend to be predicated on a lady's country of origin (Thai? PRC? Other?) and hence what the market will take.
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having been around the world in a way with various ladies over the years gave me some real experience with women of a lot of different cultures. way back when i first started meeting women online (the late 90's) i had a dream to have an intimate relation with as many women from as many culture as possible. now, 10 plus years later i have been pretty close to making that dream a reality.
this thread brought out response from me because it touches on how i see people. you can't really form an opinion of different cultures, races or ethnicity if you haven't at least met someone different from yourself. sadly, Americans in general seem to have a more narrow view of people different from themselves. this can most likely be a product of local culture or upbringing. europeans and canadians seem much more broad minded and open to differences.
all that being said i do have my preferences these days. asian women will always make me take a second look. but even then, if there is a women of color or another nationality that catches my eye i am open for another experience.
this is not so much a hobby for me. it is more an appreciation of differences and finding a connection that makes the fantasy an experience that is more than a dream.
clients and their dates are always going to be different , will always have different tastes. trying to nail down specifics for someone else's preferences in a woman or a woman for a man will never succeed. there are just too many different people,, which makes this so much fun
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I have to be careful here because my thoughts are not bad (at least I don’t think them so), but my diplomacy is sometimes lacking…lol.

First, I would think the biggest problem for most of us would be “blending in”. It is hard enough to walk around with a really hot gal, with most of us guys being a lot more regular looking, and not draw attention to ourselves. Walk around with a really hot gal, where you are a salt and pepper couple, and your “blend in” factor was diminished. Maybe folks are “looking on” with prejudicial judgment. Maybe folks are “looking on” with envy. But it is my opinion, they are “looking on” more than with a non salt and pepper couple. And drawing attention to ourselves is not something a lot of us are comfortable with.

Much like I understand EL to be someone who likes to snow ski. Well, in most snow skiing venues a woman of color tends to get noticed more than a woman who is not. I think this is mostly because it is fairly rare on the slopes. Not bad…not good…just something one would notice more.

Second, there are a lot of really hot white gals. Likewise there are a lot of really hot gals of other ethnicities. But when they are really hot of another ethnicity…they somehow also are more likely to become exotic too. I think it is harder for a white gal to be exotic. So now the guy is going to have to walk around with a really hot gal who is exotic too. Now EVERYBODY is gonna be looking…lol.

I don’t think all the SW comparisons have much of anything to do with the gals in here. There are books written about the economic differences between the ethnicities…and opinions are as varied as there are books. A woman of class is still a woman of class…no matter what her ethnicity. I would think there are many other variables (other than some prejudice) that pose some difficulties. The above are just a couple.

None of that is a solution to anything. But it might explain at least part of the difficulties the ethnic gals have to deal with.
I read your post a week or so ago, and it kinda left me with an icky feeling. I don't know why. Maybe I was uncomfortable with the concept of people judging interracial couple. Maybe I didn't want to believe that in this day and age, a man and a woman of different ethic background would blend in perfectly in a social setting and not stick out like a sore thumb.

But last night, I was out with my girlfriends, all open minded, accepting, cosmopolitain women. (We call ourselves the United Nations because between us, we've got all races and religions covered.) We were having dinner at a nice cozy restaurant when one of my friends remarked, "what is that older white woman doing with that young black man?" Instantly, we all looked. We were all curious. We were hypothesizing. We were - sigh - judging. My bad. But I completely understand RK's post now.
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While racism does exist. I would be very slow at saying a person is racist because they chose to eliminate any particular group or culture.
While everyone seems these days to say profiling is a bad thing. Profiling works. Sorry, to say it. But it is just a fact as long as it is based off actual data and not idiot conceptions.

You can look at groups of people and see what groups are more prevalent to commit a crime, have diseases and so on... It is technically sound judgement to avoid high risks.

I'm not going to get into the whole issue about who is responsible for creating that situation where those statistical numbers came to be. It would be an argument a lot of people would get upset with. The simple fact is those numbers do exist and until numbers and data changes I can't blame people for their habits.

I'm not even saying most people use those numbers for their reasoning. I can tell you I don't read minds and until I can or they tell me otherwise I will just give them the benefit of the doubt.

As to sexual attraction and looks and appearance. We all have different tastes. I don't see the point of anyone being forced into a situation where they would have to spend time with someone they are not attracted to. This isn't serving someone a cup of coffee or a tv set. We are talking personal time and intimacy.
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I'd really like to sample at least one of everything...maybe more. It fits my fantasies. Unfortunately I've only been able to be with (mostly) white ladies. Anyone out there want to volunteer?
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Dear Victoria,

Was it the fact that it was a younger man/older woman that stuck out or the race issue (no easy answer, I am not looking for that). While reading your post how would "I" feel if I was the male in that circumstance? To be honest, for me, I'd be okay with it. I may be the exception to the rule. I'd love and do love to be in the company of a woman who "gets" me, regardless of race. Everything else is drivel. In the Northeast, I can accept and embrace those of different race or religion (though you *might* find me with a Caucasian). I hope I can touch, feel , and caress those that are not similar to me. Wow, it is what I live for.


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I'm not sure I've faced any substantial "differences" in this business. I've never really thought about it, nor have I ever been asked about it. Its an interesting question though.
I guess I've been pretty lucky in my life and in this business in that I tend to surround myself with and attract a mixture of multi-cultural, worldly individuals who are more concerned with enjoying life's pleasures with other like-minded human beings rather than preoccupying their minds with the complexities of discussing the whole "race" thing. We just wanna have fun, lol I've been extremely fortunate to have met some truly incredible people in my time as a companion and in my personal life. Its been wonderful!!

As I think about it a bit more, my male friends and I never discuss my "business."

I am intelligent. I am beautiful. I am Black. And I am a companion. My rates are what they are. There are providers of color (and of not so much color, lol) whose rates are much higher, and those with much lower rates. The great thing about this business is that there are a variety of ladies to choose from at every rate, skin tone, height, body type and personality. I've never felt pressure to lower my rates because of my skin color. I see my skin color as an asset, and considered that asset when considering my rates. Its part of the complete package, lol. Who wouldn't want to experience the feeling of silky-smooth chocolatey-caramel skin, ha ha. (Yes, I have a very healthy self-esteem, lol)

I'm rambling, and probably going off on tangents, but I've never had any problems as a companion because of my skin color. But, I tend not to believe the hype in terms of society's supposed standards of beauty, and the hardships for companions of color in comparison to other companions. I set my own standards. I refuse to approach any aspect of my life with the mindset that I am somehow at a disadvantage because of my skin color or ethnicity. So far, its working for me

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Dear Jeanne, after seeing your website (and associated pictures), I'd be honored that you'd be seen with me.
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MA, your turn lol
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There you go again SR. .....


BTW, Jeanne, you are beautiful but tone down the flash player please.
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