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[TechPapi]

Originally Posted by adav8s28

The shooter was rejected from his high school gun club twice for being a bad shot. This and the fact that Trump had turned his head just slightly before the shots was a big factor. These two facts may have played a bigger role than some sort of divine intervention.

See, trumpsters would tell you those events were all part of the divine plan to protect the cheeto. I doubt it though. I think jesus was busy with other stuff. He was at a MAGA conference. There was a poster advertising.

[royamcr]

Here's my guess at what happened:

• Shooter got in disguised as a Fed, probably hid his maga mullet under a hat...
• Got on the roof taking position like other rooftop snipers.
• He got away with it for just long enough to take the shot.
• He may have been spotted and other Feds were trying to figure out if he was one of them.
• At this point Trumps closest detail should have been notified to get him down as a precaution, but it was too late.
• The guy failed out of sniper school cause at that distance a real shooter could hit that target without a scope.

[adav8s28]

Originally Posted by royamcr

Here's my guess at what happened:

• Shooter got in disguised as a Fed, probably hid his maga mullet under a hat...
• Got on the roof taking position like other rooftop snipers.
• He got away with it for just long enough to take the shot.
• He may have been spotted and other Feds were trying to figure out if he was one of them.
• At this point Trumps closest detail should have been notified to get him down as a precaution, but it was too late.
• The guy failed out of sniper school cause at that distance a real shooter could hit that target without a scope.

1. The shooter ofter wore military type clothing to class when he was in high school.

2. The shooter was rejected from the high school gun club twice for being a bad shot.

3. Miscommunication between the secret service and local law enforcement agencies resulted in the structure not being secured.

4. People near the structure spotted the shooter and notified LE. One officer was hoisted up the wall of the building and spotted the shooter but did not engage with the shooter. This among other things needs an explanation. The shooter then fired shots before being taken out by sniper team one stationed about 25 yards to the right (Trumps right hand side) from where Trump was speaking.
5. Shooter got on the roof of the building because it was not secured by secret service or local law enforcement. There wasn't any aerial support either.

[royamcr]

Originally Posted by adav8s28

1. The shooter ofter wore military type clothing to class when he was in high school.

2. The shooter was rejected from the high school gun club twice for being a bad shot.

3. Miscommunication between the secret service and local law enforcement agencies resulted in the structure not being secured.

4. People near the structure spotted the shooter and notified LE. One officer was hoisted up the wall of the building and spotted the shooter but did not engage with the shooter. This among other things needs an explanation. The shooter then fired shots before being taken out by sniper team one stationed about 25 yards to the right (Trumps right hand side) from where Trump was speaking.
5. Shooter got on the roof of the building because it was not secured by secret service or local law enforcement. There wasn't any aerial support either.

I heard that building was being used for staging LE activities. Possibly why the roof wasn't secured. The guy must have blended in with the other agents, had to hide the mullet though, or he probably cut it off. I'm guessing he blended in and went up to the roof at some access point. It isn't out of place to have someone on the roof with a rifle so got away with being up there. All the agents probably didn't know the amount of rooftop agents there was supposed to be so one extra didn't seem out of place.

You get away with this stuff by blending in, if you look suspicious or are set up where agents usually aren't setup you'll stand out. I wonder if the shooter had previous access to the building and knew the layout and access points.

Really need an exact timeline of events like when an agent was "hoisted" up and the shooting happened. Might be why he missed, rushed the shot cause he knew he was found out and ran out of time.

[texassapper]

Why didn't the Secret Service Counter Sniper team not shoot before the assassin opened fire? Since they were higher than Trump (as can be seen in videos), if the shooter could see Trump, then the counter sniper could see the shooter. Their ROE does not require them to wait for shots before shooting.



Also.. how does this guy get a ladder up against this structure? You're willing to believe an oversight was why the local high ground wasn't occupied? LOL

You will believe the government about everything won't you?

LOL

What a sucker.... The only confusion was that the local LEO thought their job was to protect Trump. The Feds... not so much.

[royamcr]

No one knows how the registered republican got on the roof. If that building was being used for LE staging and he blended in as an agent, I imagine there might have been a way up to the roof. As for why he didn't get shot first. I'm thinking the real agent that saw the shooter was confirming the shooter wasn't "friendly"... There could have been a matter of seconds before the shooter was spotted, he shot at the large orange clown, and then the shooter was shot.

[texassapper]

Watch the shooting in real time from the assembled different angles.... Time synced videos. Lots of time for Secret Service to have gotten Trump off the stage...

Seems suspect.

[adav8s28]

Originally Posted by texassapper

Why didn't the Secret Service Counter Sniper team not shoot before the assassin opened fire? Since they were higher than Trump (as can be seen in videos), if the shooter could see Trump, then the counter sniper could see the shooter. Their ROE does not require them to wait for shots before shooting.



Also.. how does this guy get a ladder up against this structure? You're willing to believe an oversight was why the local high ground wasn't occupied? LOL

You will believe the government about everything won't you?

LOL

What a sucker.... The only confusion was that the local LEO thought their job was to protect Trump. The Feds... not so much.

The shooter was seen going up the wall with a bear crawl. He did not use a ladder. The shooter was on the roof for just a couple minutes before he started shooting. So, swat team #1 just didn't see him. You got the heat and all the trees in the area. There were 4 (2 person) swat teams. Not sure where the other three were.

The miscommunication theory as to why the building where the shooter shot from was not secured did not come from the Government. It came from a retired agent who was commenting on Fox News. "Structures outside the perimeter may be assigned to local law enforcement to secure because of limited secret service resources". I guess you don't watch Fox News. I always thought Hannity was your guy.

[texassapper]

Originally Posted by adav8s28

The shooter was seen going up the wall with a bear crawl. He did not use a ladder.

What time is it? Time for you to realize you're wrong..

Originally Posted by adav8s28

The shooter was on the roof for just a couple minutes before he started shooting.

How fast does a radio report of a sniper on a roof take to transmit?

Originally Posted by adav8s28

You got the heat and all the trees in the area.

The fact that counter fire was immediate after the first shots proves that they could see the shooter.

Originally Posted by adav8s28

I guess you don't watch Fox News. I always thought Hannity was your guy.

Shows how accurate your thoughts tend to be.

[adav8s28]

Originally Posted by texassapper

What time is it? Time for you to realize you're wrong..


How fast does a radio report of a sniper on a roof take to transmit?
The fact that counter fire was immediate after the first shots proves that they could see the shooter.
Shows how accurate your thoughts tend to be.

Eye witness reported to LE that shooter went up the wall with bear crawl, use of a ladder was not mentioned. What makes you think the shooter put the ladder there? Maybe the company that owns the building had the ladder there.

Radio transmit only take a second or two. You assume that swat team #1 was only looking at the roof of the building that the shooter positioned himself on the whole time. Do you think Swat team #1 was working with the shooter? They will let him shoot first then shot back?

You were completely WRONG with your "the government will tell you anything" statement regarding the miscommunication between secret service and local LE agencies on the roof that was not secured. It did not come from the government. The secret service did not attend the first meeting with the press Saturday night or make any public statements. The miscommunication theory came from a retired agent hired by Fox News for analysis.

[texassapper]

The CST in the foreground probably got the kill.

How does one bear crawl up a wall? They
re talking about his traverse of the roof...the ladder is how he accessed the roof. The same ladder that the first LEO climbed up to confront the shooter.

[Kana Asuka]

Damn if only Trump was killed by Katana, grenade, or by land mine

[texassapper]

Interesting questions at the moment:

The shooter had no ID but the ID'd him via DNA? How the fcuk does that happen so quickly? And how would they have his DNA on file? The military and arrested get DNA swabbed... how would a 20 yo be on file?

A 20 yo without a digital/social media footprint? Okay.. strange but not incredibly so.

The FBI couldn't crack his phone? Say what? The Feds have the root tools to defeat any phone security.

Seems like maybe the FBI can't be trusted.

[reddog1951]

Probably just a tourist who got caught up in the emotion of the event...

[adav8s28]

Originally Posted by texassapper

Interesting questions at the moment:

The shooter had no ID but the ID'd him via DNA? How the fcuk does that happen so quickly? And how would they have his DNA on file? The military and arrested get DNA swabbed... how would a 20 yo be on file?

A 20 yo without a digital/social media footprint? Okay.. strange but not incredibly so.

The FBI couldn't crack his phone? Say what? The Feds have the root tools to defeat any phone security.

Seems like maybe the FBI can't be trusted.

FBI used the serial number on the assault rifle to trace it back to the shooters father. Maybe they used the facial recognition software to id the shooter before doing the DNA test.

Somehow they got a hold of the shooter's voter id card which had an address. Not sure how the FBI used it, it they did use it.

The shooter ate lunch by himself for four years of high school. He did not socialize much. That would explain a lack of a social media footprint. If he was bullied a lot why would he want to eat lunch with other people?

Perhaps Apple in the last release of the MAC operating system for the IPhone put some new encription on their phones.

So the FBI was working with swat team #1 and the shooter? The shooter would be allowed to get on the roof and shoot first before being neutralized by swat team #1?