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06-18-2020, 08:19 PM
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People who were also "in that room" are stepping forward to say they never heard any of the things Bolton is saying and without corroboration, nothing Bolton has to say has an "legal" meaning.
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06-19-2020, 08:45 AM
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TWK- thank yo for a nice article - Unfortunately - far too complex for the LibDPST readership.
Bolton is clearly playing LibDPST politics as their "Now-darling" since he has a book to sell criticizing Trump.
Interesting stand for the anti-capitalist libDPST's - espousing bolton's book and Bolton - a long time pariah to the Dems- - and supporting free enterprise and capitalism at the same time in bolton's efforts to make a "Profit" ( such a terrible word to the socialists).
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06-19-2020, 08:07 PM
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i think bolton is playing them... Trump maybe in on this.
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06-19-2020, 08:18 PM
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Bolton comes from a direct opposite political spectrum than President Trump.
He wrote a book full of “I believes” and “I think”. In other words, his opinion.
President Trump does things the way he feels they should be done. I personally think that he has done a darned good job.
Bolton has now relegated his self down to the level of Stormy Daniels. A useful idiot to the Liberal Left and making the mistake in thinking that President Trump is not smarter than the whole bunch.
Soon Bolton will be the latest cock tail party joke.
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06-19-2020, 08:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Tiny
The press, notably the Washington Post, has gotten copies of John Bolton's book and is going to town. Some of the criticism of Trump is absolutely damning. On the other hand Bolton is self serving and using the book as an opportunity to promote his defense and foreign affairs agendas, which I largely disagree with.
Anyway the book promises to be a fascinating read, based on an excerpt in the Wall Street Journal today about China, and more balanced than what you'd guess from today's headlines.
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so tiny .. which damning "allegation" from walrus face bolton do you think is gonna end Lord Trump's rule of America?
you started a thread about the "damning allegations" yet you have not listed even one.
so list them all and explain what's so damning ..
if you don't .. well that means you have nothing to say here. you are not a libertarian as you claim because no libertarian would ever take the side of communist China over America and yet this is exactly what you have done repeatedly.
prove you are not a Chinese asset spreading disinformation against Lord Donald the Great!!
BAHHAAAAAAAA
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06-20-2020, 09:49 AM
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Again - over the last days the LibDPST Leadership ( i use the term loosely) has criticzed Bolton and book in a fairly caustic manner.
Seems They do not trust his change of heart from a loyal Trump cabinet member.
Bolton is a pariah to both parties - and out in the cold.
His book is likely not to sell much - other than to reviewers and politicos with an ax to grind.
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06-20-2020, 11:14 AM
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Using public office for personal gain. He defines corruption.
He won't even read it for himself.
And still say it's all lies.
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06-20-2020, 11:33 AM
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Using public office for personal gain.
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I believe that most people recognize the principle of honoring the confidentialities of a former employer, particularly when highly sensitive information is discussed. And they won't like it. The rest of the people won't remember it's election time.
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06-20-2020, 12:35 PM
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Can Bolton corroborate with evidence, anything he has accused Trump of doing as opposed to thinking? If not, nothing he says has any legal meaning.
Now what people might believe and have it effect their vote, none of us can know that.
What I also believe to be true is that we are at a point of such divisiveness which can be seen by the percentage of voters when asked the primary reason they will be voting for either Biden or Trump, is to keep the other person out of the White House and I believe, this means no matter what the person they are voting for has done including enriching oneself from public office and yes, lying.
I feel very strongly that no matter what Trump has done including as Bolton says, asking China or Ukraine to help him get re-elected because we know for a fact that Obama did the same thing with Russia and we have it on video and audio. So while I would like to have leaders who have better standards than this, I will not say one is guilty and the other isn't.
Only policies matter at this point and I know without a doubt that probably the majority of people that will vote for Biden believe this. No doubt what so ever. No matter what Biden has done, says believes, they will vote for him. So these people are no different than me. So when I'm asked "how can you vote for Trump", I can without reservation ask "how can you vote for Biden"? This is where we are at.
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06-20-2020, 12:50 PM
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We need to thank 9500 for the contribution. A moment of intellectual clarity - as i read his post about bolton's book. correct me if i err.
Still - bolton has provided a roadmap for the LibDPST's to use against trump in electioneering - they just won't acknowledge it was sourced from Bolton.
anything bad about trump will be used - true or False - it matters not to the LibDPST's.
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06-20-2020, 01:16 PM
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I believe that most people recognize the principle of honoring the confidentialities of a former employer, . . .
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I think most people understand the difference between public service and self interest. The principle of a fiduciary duty takes on a whole new meaning,
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particularly when highly sensitive information is discussed. And they won't like it.
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especially when classified information is discussed. When the actions of the president stoop so low as to prove he is a fraudulent leader, that deserves publication.
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The rest of the people won't remember it's election time.
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Election season or not, this would have made headlines around the world.
But this whole thing was a joke. And now look at us. I bought a bag of popcorn kernels and didn't realize they were unsealed. I still ate them.
Aaaaaamerica!
The art of politics is deception: How much can you lie and still get away with it? It's an enormous ego trip.
And it cost me a fresh bag or popcorn.
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06-20-2020, 01:18 PM
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9500- was in error - he wrote describing H... and Biden.
I am not sure Biden has the mental faculty to even be deceitful anymore.
It is cobwebs behind biden's eyes and between his ears.
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06-20-2020, 01:30 PM
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This book is too funny. A trump hugger/huggee at one time is calling out the liar in chief. Who you gonna believe lol. It's just more of the gop swamp
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06-20-2020, 02:02 PM
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you started a thread about the "damning allegations" yet you have not listed even one.
so list them all and explain what's so damning ..
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No, I started a thread about Bolton and Bolton's book. As to the allegations and why they reflect poorly on Trump if true, you're not stupid, you already know. Here's a list
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53089609
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if you don't .. well that means you have nothing to say here. you are not a libertarian as you claim because no libertarian would ever take the side of communist China over America and yet this is exactly what you have done repeatedly.
prove you are not a Chinese asset spreading disinformation against Lord Donald the Great!!
BAHHAAAAAAAA
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I'm not a Chinese asset. However Bolton alleges that Trump offered to become one if Xi would step up purchases of U.S. agricultural products to help him win the election. And how did this, if true, arise in the first place? Because Trump took the anti-Libertarian position of jacking up tariffs sky high. So the Chinese stopped buying American agricultural products, among other things. And Trump then took a huge chunk of the government revenues the tariffs generated and plowed them back into aid for the agricultural industry. The fact that you believe I'm anti-Libertarian when it comes to China and apparently believe Trump is pro-Libertarian shows you don't know diddly squat about what you're talking about in this instance.
Libertarian Positions on Free Trade:
https://www.ontheissues.org/Celeb/Li...Free_Trade.htm
Libertarian Position on Trump's trade wars and farm subsidies:
https://www.lp.org/following-tariffs...rnment-policy/
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06-20-2020, 02:16 PM
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No, I started a thread about Bolton and Bolton's book. As to the allegations and why they reflect poorly on Trump if true, you're not stupid, you already know. Here's a list
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53089609
I'm not a Chinese asset. However Bolton alleges that Trump offered to become one if Xi would step up purchases of U.S. agricultural products to help him win the election. And how did this, if true, arise in the first place? Because Trump took the anti-Libertarian position of jacking up tariffs (taxes) sky high. So the Chinese stopped buying American agricultural products, among other things. And Trump then took a huge chunk of the government revenues the tariffs generated and plowed them back into aid for the agricultural industry. The fact that you believe I'm anti-Libertarian when it comes to China and apparently believe Trump is pro-Libertarian shows you don't know diddly squat about what you're talking about in this instance.
Libertarian Positions on Free Trade:
https://www.ontheissues.org/Celeb/Li...Free_Trade.htm
Libertarian Position on Trump's trade wars and farm subsidies:
https://www.lp.org/following-tariffs...rnment-policy/
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