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Old 08-26-2012, 12:23 PM   #31
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+1 I thought McCain's campaign move to get a game changer such as Palin was what put the nail in the coffin.
McCain went up in the polls after he chose Palin. McCain was leading in the polls until the economy collapsed. It's a miracle McCain did as well as he did, considering the fact that Obama outspent him by more than three to one.

Obama was able to outspend McCain so drastically, because he violated his pledge to take matching funds, which would have limited his ability to raise money.
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Old 08-26-2012, 12:38 PM   #32
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McCain went up in the polls after he chose Palin. McCain was leading in the polls until the economy collapsed. It's a miracle McCain did as well as he did, considering the fact that Obama outspent him by more than three to one.

Obama was able to outspend McCain so drastically, because he violated his pledge to take matching funds, which would have limited his ability to raise money.
As I said before... "I thought" which means it was in my opinion that picking Palin was a very very bad move for McCain. Polls are redundant if you lost the election. I think he would have been more successful if he had a more legitimate running mate that was just knowledgeable about our government, the economy and foreign affairs as McCain himself. Not hastly picking a female as your running mate because your campaign need something to up the ante and get people excited about your campaign. There were so many people that could have made a better running mate, people just took her as a joke.

Mitt ( or his campaign managers) did a wonderful job picking a running mate, the press is having a field day and trying so had to dig up dirt on Ryan to make him look bad. But everyone knows Ryan is a serious politician and even though people may not agree with his beliefs they still respect how he staunchly defends his beliefs.There is really no joking around with Ryan. That's what McCain needed a strong figure as running to help cement his image of a no thrills bi partisan future leader that would do what he needed to do to make the country better not do what the country wants or to tell them what they want to hear just to appease the masses.

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McCain looked like the fool suspending his campaign; remember the footage of McCain sitting at the table with Obama and others.....McCain had nothing of substance to offer....Obama steamrolled his win from that point forward.

Palin saved McCain from a worse electoral blow out.
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Old 08-26-2012, 12:40 PM   #34
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It is important to have "thoughts" (opinions) based on facts.
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Old 08-26-2012, 12:43 PM   #35
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It is important to have "thoughts" (opinions) based on facts.
Whirly, that never stopped you!
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Old 08-26-2012, 12:48 PM   #36
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Whirly, that never stopped you!
You said it way nicer that I would have lol
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Old 08-26-2012, 12:51 PM   #37
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You said it way nicer that I would have lol
Just learn to accept Whirly for what he really is.

Clue: If you don't expect much from Whirly, I promise you will not be disappointed!
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Old 08-26-2012, 12:59 PM   #38
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You fell into the same trap as many. I just couldn't vote for Hope and Change without knowing what Hope and Change was.
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You fell into the same trap as many. I just couldn't vote for Hope and Change without knowing what Hope and Change was.
I heard the same thing said about voting for GW being a "compassionate conservative," without knowing what a "compassionate conservative" was.

We didn't find out what a "compassionate conservative" really was until September 15, 2008.
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Old 08-26-2012, 01:14 PM   #40
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I'm ashamed of what I did.
The people who now claim to have voted for Obama just to give themselves credibility in criticizing him remind me of the people who spent 8 years defending everything about G Bush, only to say they were disappointed in him when they needed to give themselves credibility in criticizing Obama for deficit spending, or not closing Gitmo, or expensive health care bills, or not ending the Iraq war fast enough etc etc etc.
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We didn't find out what a "compassionate conservative" really was until September 15, 2008.
Well, I think we had a pretty good clue when G W. Bush, along with congressional Republicans, created an expensive (and unpaid-for) prescription drug entitlement expansion in 2003.

Even as a prelude to that, the Republican congress jettisoned PAYGO "rules" in 2002 so that they could push through tax cuts and spending increases simultaneously.

The Iraq War exacerbated our fiscal problems, but they would have been bad enough without it.

The only reason that the headline deficit numbers weren't far worse in the mid-'00s was that our economic weaknesses were masked by an unsustainable debt-fueled consumption boom.
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As I said before... "I thought" which means it was in my opinion that picking Palin was a very very bad move for McCain. Polls are redundant if you lost the election. I think he would have been more successful if he had a more legitimate running mate that was just knowledgeable about our government, the economy and foreign affairs as McCain himself. Not hastly picking a female as your running mate because your campaign need something to up the ante and get people excited about your campaign. There were so many people that could have made a better running mate, people just took her as a joke.

Mitt ( or his campaign managers) did a wonderful job picking a running mate, the press is having a field day and trying so had to dig up dirt on Ryan to make him look bad. But everyone knows Ryan is a serious politician and even though people may not agree with his beliefs they still respect how he staunchly defends his beliefs.There is really no joking around with Ryan. That's what McCain needed a strong figure as running to help cement his image of a no thrills bi partisan future leader that would do what he needed to do to make the country better not do what the country wants or to tell them what they want to hear just to appease the masses.

tis all.
I agree that Ryan is an excellent choice. He seems to know the budget stuff backwards and forwards. Palin was a lightweight for sure, but she did seem to energize McCain's campaign, and the base loved her.

We'll never know if choosing a more substantial running mate, like for instance Romney, would have made a difference. My guess is, with the disadvantage in campaign funding and the collapsing economy, blamed on Bush, McCain was doomed.
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Sorry Skylar,,,,didn't mean to be so curt..................my apologies.
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Old 08-26-2012, 02:30 PM   #44
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Default I voted for Obama...how do I redeem myself?

Vote twice for Romney.
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Old 08-26-2012, 03:07 PM   #45
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So, if your fiscally conservative and socially liberal, Your a Libertarian, check it out
http://www.lp.org YIPPEE Aren't we ready for new Party yet?????????????????
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