DOJ bocks Texas Voter ID law

[Boltfan]

No one has answered yet why being required to show ID to vote is a bad thing.

I do see attemtps at debate as to how that % of people who don't have an ID can get one, even get one for free. I don't see even an attempt as to why it is a bad idea. I do see attempts to bully others into believing vote fraud does not exist. I especially love the comment stating the penalty and asking the rhetorical question "why would anyone risk it".

Those who commit criminal acts do so in light of the penalties all the time; Are we now going to move to a philosophical discussion of whether or not threats of punishment prevent crime?

So, does anyone who is against the law want to state why requiring an ID is a bad idea? With the exception of the extreme loons (on both sides, one groups says it doesn't exist, the other sees it in every election) the rest of the country sees this as a problem that exists and something that should be addressed. And if indeed it is a poor only issue, does that same poor not need ID to get many government services they are very likely also receiving?

[timpage]

I answered your question directly, I guess it just wasn't the answer you wanted to see.

Voter ID laws are a solution to a non-existent problem...Stephen Colbert is right...“our democracy is under siege from an enemy so small it could be hiding anywhere."

http://www.brennancenter.org/content...t_voter_fraud/

http://www.truthaboutfraud.org/pdf/T...VoterFraud.pdf

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinio...YTL_story.html

http://scrutinyhooligans.us/2012/03/...rong-problems/

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/13/opinion/13tue1.html

And on and on. Voter fraud is a myth.

[Little Stevie]

No one has answered yet why being required to show ID to vote is a bad thing.

I do see attemtps at debate as to how that % of people who don't have an ID can get one, even get one for free. I don't see even an attempt as to why it is a bad idea. It's not but only if it is accessible and freely given to all without inconvenience! I do see attempts to bully others into believing vote fraud does not exist. I especially love the comment stating the penalty and asking the rhetorical question "why would anyone risk it".

Those who commit criminal acts do so in light of the penalties all the time; Are we now going to move to a philosophical discussion of whether or not threats of punishment prevent crime? What payoff would an illegal receive since Obama has deported more undocumented workers than Bush?

So, does anyone who is against the law want to state why requiring an ID is a bad idea? With the exception of the extreme loons (on both sides, one groups says it doesn't exist, the other sees it in every election) the rest of the country sees this as a problem that exists and something that should be addressed. And if indeed it is a poor only issue, does that same poor not need ID to get many government services they are very likely also receiving? There you go assuming all poor people are on government assistance.[/quote]


No one said voter fraud didn't exist but instead showed studies that confirmed it was tiny in comparison to what the Republicans want you to think.

People who pay cash for things all their lives and who do not drive may still receive food stamps but have no photo I.D. They have no credit, no credit cards, no drivers license and little else but perhaps tax district receipts to prove they've lived in the same house for 50 years.

Currently there is no large scale effort underway to find ANY of these people who have no transportation and get them a photo ID.

Texas' law disqualified University Student photo ID's and okayed Concealed Carry Photo ID's

I'll be on board with a photo ID when they find a way to take a bus into poor or remote neighborhoods and make one for the people who need them and have little other access to them.

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by Little Stevie

I'll be on board with a photo ID when they find a way to take a bus into poor or remote neighborhoods and make one for the people who need them and have little other access to them.

Use the same damn buses the Dimocraps employ when they pick those 'poor and remotely located citizens' up and haul their 'poor and remotely located' asses to the polls to vote. How fuckin' inconvenient is that, moron?

[Randy4Candy]

Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

Can't afford a photo ID, but must buy health insurance. Good point, IB. However, I do think that basic photo ID should be made available for free. Citizens shouldn't have to fork out cash to be able to vote. But voter ID should be mandatory, and there doesn't need to be evidence of voter fraud. It is just common sense, something the Libs disdain.

Well, fu*k, there goes COF's pulse again. Don't worry folks, I'll keep the paddles handy since a relapse is surely about to transpire.....

BUT, then we'll have to listen to your buds (and budette) whine and pontificate about how the people responsible for issuing the free ID Cards are now a part of the Communo-muslim-malaysiantransvestite-whoeverthefuckain'twhite conspiracy and are just giving them out willy-nilly. Can't wait for those threads. I know, I know, I know - it pisses you teatards off when it's so easy to write your next "revelation." I mean, wholly shirt, Rush, Hannity, Bill-O, and Glenn-baby write this sh*t - how hard can it be? Obviously not very.

[CuteOldGuy]

You'd think they'd run out of straw at some point. But they keep building them and knocking them down. Boring.

[Randy4Candy]

Originally Posted by Boltfan

No one has answered yet why being required to show ID to vote is a bad thing.

I do see attemtps at debate as to how that % of people who don't have an ID can get one, even get one for free. I don't see even an attempt as to why it is a bad idea. I do see attempts to bully others into believing vote fraud does not exist. I especially love the comment stating the penalty and asking the rhetorical question "why would anyone risk it".

Those who commit criminal acts do so in light of the penalties all the time; Are we now going to move to a philosophical discussion of whether or not threats of punishment prevent crime?

So, does anyone who is against the law want to state why requiring an ID is a bad idea? With the exception of the extreme loons (on both sides, one groups says it doesn't exist, the other sees it in every election) the rest of the country sees this as a problem that exists and something that should be addressed. And if indeed it is a poor only issue, does that same poor not need ID to get many government services they are very likely also receiving?

It's not a bad idea but since they aren't required in the Repube primaries (which are, btw, paid for by each state that has one) - oops! Dang! hell! thats' just for a bunch of "right thinking people." Bet the family Bible probably works as ID in those.

I digress, because Boltfan will have to go back on the street if he doesn't get an answer - and we can't have that since CanDo1 is gone. It's not a bad idea but in several states some of the forms of ID listed by IBH are suddenly unacceptable. If the voter ID thingy was allowed to happen like mobile voter registration currently operates, i.e. as an "on call" service I'm for it. Also, and this is not to say that all who have no "valid" ID are illegals, it should also be part of a real effort to amnesty in those who are already here working in exchange for many other things. But, then they'll have to pay taxes, SS and Medicare. However, that's not really the kicker - wait for it - wait for it - wait - wait - they'll have to pay those taxes along with their EM-fucking-PLOYER. Oops, there goes another rubber tree plant. HOLY COW - VOTER ID REQUIREMENTS ARE NOW PART OF AN ANTI-BIDNESS CONSPIRACY!!! cant have that.....

[Grifter]

This really boils down to whether you feel voting is such a valued right that it must be allowed to be expressed or so valued it must be protected. I dont think either point of view is wrong, that said if you can have a drive to get people registered why not have them get id's at the same time? Not having a valid form of ID seems like willful ignorance to me.

[CuteOldGuy]

I think Randy has been listening to his old meditation records at 78, instead of 33 1/3 rpm. They come on CD, now, Randy. Try it. Things won't look so strange as they do now, and you won't sound quite so stupid.

[Little Stevie]

The point is that when Texas or any other state decides that a CHL is VALID and a University-issued photo ID is NOT VALID, then there is room for the shit the Teapublicans are trying to accomplish with this in the first place.

As far as "willful ignorance", I look at it as "forced inaccessibility" and that is just what the party with the fewest voters wants - fewer voters able to vote against them.

It is a multi-faceted attack that engages billions in corporate cash, scripted news, voter suppression and basically the last 40 years of accumulated bags of "dirty tricks" from Nixon to Rove.

[Boltfan]

Best effort so far Little Stevie. Thank you.

Couple of points you missed, like the "assuming" poor part

Originally Posted by timpage

The voter ID laws are intended to do one thing and one thing only: disenfranchise the estimated 10% of the population who are eligible to vote but who do not have a photo ID. The reason? Those folks are poor and they vote democrat.

I didn't assume that, timpage did, I was simply pointing to his assertion that the 10% was poor and always voted democrat.

As several others have pointed out here, I don't think national elections are swayed but voter fraud, would be hard to get the numbers to swing a state that mattered. I do think it can be done locally. Just because the Obama Admin has deported more than the previous one does not correlate to voter fraud reductions. If the Texas Law was a bad law it should have been struck down, but I think we both agree a better law could replace it and be fair. For example, if the Texas law did not allow for university ID to be acceptable that is problematic. But if someone has foodstamps but no ID that represents a bigger problem. While it would piss off republicans likely, some sort of effort to get people registered to vote when they apply for medicaid, ss benefits, snap, etc. or any other goverment program might be useful.

But I also have to say that anyone without an id these days simply doesn't want one. I don't see it as a barrier to overcome.

R4C, don't put me back on the streets man, now that CanDo is gone I finally am allowing the bruises to heal. He was a mean pimp.

timpage, sorry man, you are disqualified from debating logically on this topic. I think Little Stevie is insane for some of his views but even he was able to come up with a logical rebuttal when it came down to it.

Originally Posted by Little Stevie

No one has answered yet why being required to show ID to vote is a bad thing.

I do see attemtps at debate as to how that % of people who don't have an ID can get one, even get one for free. I don't see even an attempt as to why it is a bad idea. It's not but only if it is accessible and freely given to all without inconvenience! I do see attempts to bully others into believing vote fraud does not exist. I especially love the comment stating the penalty and asking the rhetorical question "why would anyone risk it".

Those who commit criminal acts do so in light of the penalties all the time; Are we now going to move to a philosophical discussion of whether or not threats of punishment prevent crime? What payoff would an illegal receive since Obama has deported more undocumented workers than Bush?

So, does anyone who is against the law want to state why requiring an ID is a bad idea? With the exception of the extreme loons (on both sides, one groups says it doesn't exist, the other sees it in every election) the rest of the country sees this as a problem that exists and something that should be addressed. And if indeed it is a poor only issue, does that same poor not need ID to get many government services they are very likely also receiving? There you go assuming all poor people are on government assistance

No one said voter fraud didn't exist but instead showed studies that confirmed it was tiny in comparison to what the Republicans want you to think.

People who pay cash for things all their lives and who do not drive may still receive food stamps but have no photo I.D. They have no credit, no credit cards, no drivers license and little else but perhaps tax district receipts to prove they've lived in the same house for 50 years.

Currently there is no large scale effort underway to find ANY of these people who have no transportation and get them a photo ID.

Texas' law disqualified University Student photo ID's and okayed Concealed Carry Photo ID's

I'll be on board with a photo ID when they find a way to take a bus into poor or remote neighborhoods and make one for the people who need them and have little other access to them.

[JD Barleycorn]

Do Stevie or any of the rest of the "brain trust" realize that 14 states have voter ID laws (but I don't here you or the DOJ worrying about them)?

We have people going to jail for voter fraud in Georgia, Indiana, Missouri, and Ohio.
http://news.yahoo.com/12-charged-vot...134725487.html That is not 12 votes, that is 12 indictments and hundreds of votes. Changed the election and they are all democrats.

http://www.ajc.com/news/nation-world...d-1359622.html

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2006...national-news/

http://wthrockmorton.com/2009/04/30/...hio-an-update/

http://missouri.watchdog.org/4818/co...ase-by-oct-15/ Rizzo bused in a couple of dozen Somalia nationals and instructed them how to vote. He won the election by only one (1) vote. The democrat stole the election with illegal aliens.

[JD Barleycorn]

Hey, how do you like our new flag. Seen outside the Florida Democrat Headquarters

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by Little Stevie

The point is that when Texas or any other state decides that a CHL is VALID and a University-issued photo ID is NOT VALID, then there is room for the shit the Teapublicans are trying to accomplish with this in the first place.

Can a convicted felon qualify for and obtain a student ID: yes. Can a convicted felon qualify for and obtain a CHL: no. A simple truth that the simple-minded Little Blind Boy can't understand.

[Munchmasterman]

Originally Posted by JD Barleycorn

Do Stevie or any of the rest of the "brain trust" realize that 14 states have voter ID laws (but I don't here Do you mean "hear"? And you teach what to college students?you or the DOJ worrying about them)?

We have people going to jail for voter fraud in Georgia, Indiana, Missouri, and Ohio.
http://news.yahoo.com/12-charged-vot...134725487.html That is not 12 votes, that is 12 indictments and hundreds of votes. Changed the election and they are all democrats.

http://www.ajc.com/news/nation-world...d-1359622.html

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2006...national-news/

http://wthrockmorton.com/2009/04/30/...hio-an-update/

http://missouri.watchdog.org/4818/co...ase-by-oct-15/ Rizzo bused in a couple of dozen Somalia nationals and instructed them how to vote. He won the election by only one (1) vote. The democrat stole the election with illegal aliens.

You talking about a brain trust. That's rich.

Don't you ever get tired of being wrong?

Obviously not.

http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.ph..._Voter_ID_Laws