Panties Needed At Shelters

[NinaBrooke]

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[NinaBrooke]

Originally Posted by WTF

Not according to Leah!

Hell college students 'fall prey' to it. It's called a job. Making ends meet. Doing whatever it takes. Paying bills. Working a job you might not like.

I am not advocating going to homeless shelters but lets not bury our head in the sand in just what we are all doing around here.

You are certainly right to some amount. Yet i know many women who have been in similar situations like me and never ever ever ever would work as escorts or do stuff "WE" all do here. Its also legitimate.

There was a case in Austria (yes Austrians tend to be quite freaky - look at Fritzl case and others) where a man adopted two children and raised them to be their lovers. Ending with him killing one because she wanted to leave him. So - thinking that people in need fall prey to all sorts of abuse - there is no need to promote it. We are talking about minors here.

[WTF]

Originally Posted by ninasastri

We are talking about minors here.

I wasn't.

Maybe minors mums but not minors.

I was making a point that there are a whole lot of people doing jobs they do not like.

My next point was that if this job was so great why not promote it.

Does that make sense?

Some claim it to be the greatest job in the world, why not promote it to a needy mom?....or we could just give her a pair of panties.

Do you see the paradox?

[WTF]

Originally Posted by SillyGirl

YOU aren't doing shit.

I'd sure like to buy them a pair or two of your panties.

[Guest053011]

Originally Posted by WTF

Not according to Leah!

Hell college students 'fall prey' to it. It's called a job. Making ends meet. Doing whatever it takes. Paying bills. Working a job you might not like.

I am not advocating going to homeless shelters but lets not bury our head in the sand in just what we are all doing around here.

?? What are you talking about?

My point was that women aught not be accosted for sexual favors in exchange for money just because they are poor. Being poor isn't permission to treat a civvie woman like a prostitute.

I was describe a situation of women in homeless or protective shelters. There's nothing wrong with women CHOOSING this business, but there is something profoundly wrong with being approached when you haven't put out a shingle or actively put yourself on the market. There's nothing wrong with a woman who finds herself poor and thinks escorting would be a good way to fix it, as long as she's happy about her choice, it should be one she DESIRES. I started because I was living in circumstances I found unbearable and wanted to make enough to leave quickly - but it was a choice I looked FORWARD to, not one I dreaded. And when the problem was solved, I stayed because I enjoyed it.

By the time many women end up in shelters, they have gone through a great deal of hardship - they have lost their homes. Many have lost family. Often they were severely abused, even raped. In the case of my mother, she was mentally ill and couldn't hold a job. These women are facing depression, low self esteem, identity crisis, they've been beaten down and are hitting a point of rock bottom. They are vulnerable and often emotionally unstable because of the pain they are carrying. Many of these women have no desire to get involved in any sexual relations, and the on staff counselors and social workers are actively working with them to find them work, as well as helping them establish homes so they can LEAVE the shelters.

I think there's nothing sadder then a woman selling her body out of sheer desperation, prostitution and companionship is healthy when it's a choice taken because it's a desired occupation. I would never advocate a woman to get sexually involved with strangers out of desperation, my opinion is that it degrades a vulnerable person - in fact that's why I believe it's so important that society have social systems that will help a person in bad circumstances get back on their feet. I would rather they took my tax dollars and had a social worker help them through their road blocks then see a hurt woman who hated the business involved because she felt trapped and hopeless. I would not wish that sense of despair on anyone.

For the love of God, this was a thread about giving donations of goods to shelters - can we please stay on topic. Is nothing worth respecting?

[WTF]

Originally Posted by Lauren Summerhill

?? What are you talking about?

My point was that women aught not be accosted for sexual favors in exchange for money just because they are poor. Being poor isn't permission to treat a civvie woman like a prostitute.

I was describe a situation of women in homeless or protective shelters. There's nothing wrong with women CHOOSING it, but there is something profoundly wrong wrong with being approached when you haven't put out a shingle or actively put yourself on the market. There's nothing wrong with a woman who finds herself poor and things escorting would be a good way to fix it, as long as she's happy about her choice. I started because I was living in circumstances I found unbearable and wanted to make enough to leave quickly - but it was a choice I looked FORWARD to, not one I dreaded. And when the problem was solved, I stayed because I enjoyed it.

By the time many women end up in shelters, they have gone through a great deal of hardship - they have lost their homes. Many have lost family. Often they were severely abused, even raped. In the case of my mother, she was mentally ill and couldn't hold a job. These women are facing depression, low self esteem, identity crisis, they've been beaten down and are hitting a point of rock bottom. They are vulnerable and often emotionally unstable because of the pain they are carrying. Many of these women have no desire to get involved in any sexual relations, and the on staff counselors and social workers are actively working with them to find them work, as well as helping them establish homes so they can LEAVE the shelters.
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Well you can takes panties down there AND offer it as an option.....for those they may want to do it.

I never said anyone had to do it.

Isn't life all about options.

How do you know what they will or won't like to work at?

Originally Posted by Lauren Summerhill

??

Originally Posted by Lauren Summerhill

I think there's nothing sadder then a woman selling her body out of sheer desperation, prostitution and companionship is healthy when it's a choice taken because it's something they want. I would never advocate a woman do it out of desperation, my opinion is that it degrades a vulnerable person - in fact that's why I believe it's so important that society have social systems that will help a person in bad circumstances get back on their feet. I would rather they took my tax dollars and had a social worker help them through their road blocks then see a woman who hated the business involved because she felt trapped.

Do you know how many people 'sell' their bodies ever day putting food on the table for their kids by working at shitty jobs they hate, 'exploited' by companies for profit?

Let's take the emotion down a notch and take a more common sense approach.

[NinaBrooke]

Originally Posted by Lauren Summerhill

?? What are you talking about?

My point was that women aught not be accosted for sexual favors in exchange for money just because they are poor. Being poor isn't permission to treat a civvie woman like a prostitute.

I was describe a situation of women in homeless or protective shelters. There's nothing wrong with women CHOOSING it, but there is something profoundly wrong wrong with being approached when you haven't put out a shingle or actively put yourself on the market. There's nothing wrong with a woman who finds herself poor and things escorting would be a good way to fix it, as long as she's happy about her choice. I started because I was living in circumstances I found unbearable and wanted to make enough to leave quickly - but it was a choice I looked FORWARD to, not one I dreaded. And when the problem was solved, I stayed because I enjoyed it.

By the time many women end up in shelters, they have gone through a great deal of hardship - they have lost their homes. Many have lost family. Often they were severely abused, even raped. In the case of my mother, she was mentally ill and couldn't hold a job. These women are facing depression, low self esteem, identity crisis, they've been beaten down and are hitting a point of rock bottom. They are vulnerable and often emotionally unstable because of the pain they are carrying. Many of these women have no desire to get involved in any sexual relations, and the on staff counselors and social workers are actively working with them to find them work, as well as helping them establish homes so they can LEAVE the shelters.

I think there's nothing sadder then a woman selling her body out of sheer desperation, prostitution and companionship is healthy when it's a choice taken because it's something they want. I would never advocate a woman do it out of desperation, my opinion is that it degrades a vulnerable person - in fact that's why I believe it's so important that society have social systems that will help a person in bad circumstances get back on their feet. I would rather they took my tax dollars and had a social worker help them through their road blocks then see a woman who hated the business involved because she felt trapped.

I think you both are right to some extent. Its not always easy to choose what you do and sometimes you do or have to do things out of desperation. I think the point WTF was trying to make is that IF prostitution or being an escort is a good thing to do , then you can also promote it ;-). I have plenty of friends working in regular jobs and hating it. Working their way thru collegue. SOmetimes you have to do things you don`t really choose to like because it gets you where you want.

I think all jobs no matter how freely you choose them have downsides. It is just a matter of "like" which downside you choose to handle. I agree with you, Lauren, that no woman should be forced to prostitute herself, but many do so because out of desperation. And some can do it easy and some can`t. I have always been a bohemian, i work "regular" jobs and i do escorting too. But sometimes you don`t really have the luxury of a choice. My mum for example would have loved to work as an escort, she never could. She had to do a regular job. And make ends meet that way.

I agree with WTF that its a kind of double standard to portray escorting as something bad, doing it out of desperation. But sometimes also the cashier woman (hell i have been one) does the job out of desperation and not because she likes it. I never liked being a cashier and did it because at that time it was the only job i could find. And i was too young to being an escort at that point. It came in my mind way later. And i know plenty of students who work odd end jobs they hate to make their career.

Its a two sided sword. I think you and WTF are really talking about the same things here. I have a friend who lives off welfare and she would never ever ever ever do escorting. Ever. She likes what i do, but she is incapable of doing it. I think it is a matter of how much disadvantage you can bear. And fo r me the disadvantages being an escort holds at times (the legality of it, the social shunning) is easier to bear than for others. But i am crazy and always have been. I have also been a Punk and run around with blue hair and people staring at me. And lived on the streets and in so called "Punk houses" too.

So there is no need to disagree. Its the same medal of the same coin or such.

[Guest053011]

Originally Posted by WTF

Well you can takes panties down there AND offer it as an option.....for those they may want to do it.

I never said anyone had to do it.

Isn't life all about options.

Oh brilliant, let's take new underwear down to abused/homeless women's shelters and suggest to them they become prostitutes. Have you lost your mind?

Every woman alive realizes that's prostitution is an option. They don't need to be approached with the suggestion. Those who want it have no problem getting started or finding information - certainly not in this day and age.

Has it occurred to you how demeaning and deeply offensive it would be to many of these women? Or do you not give a damn? It's insulting to suggest such a thing to someone because they're down on their luck unless you know them well enough personally that you know they'd be comfortable with it - but that takes intimate knowledge of a person.

Many of women have traditional and religious social values that deserve to be respected and treated with as much dignity as our more liberal ideas! One would have to be a social leper to feel this is appropriate behavior.

I'm stunned that this thread could take such a demeaning turn.

[Camille]

Originally Posted by WTF

I wasn't.

Maybe minors mums but not minors.

I was making a point that there are a whole lot of people doing jobs they do not like.

My next point was that if this job was so great why not promote it.

Does that make sense?

Some claim it to be the greatest job in the world, why not promote it to a needy mom?....or we could just give her a pair of panties.

Do you see the paradox?

I know this wasn't your intention WTF but that sounds straight up pimpish. Not sure if it's the subject matter or your phrasing...or the two combined

[WTF]

Originally Posted by Camille

I know this wasn't your intention WTF but that sounds straight up pimpish.

Why? I did not say go work for your husband or boyfriend or an agency or some pimp or even Lauren.

Originally Posted by Camille

Not sure if it's the subject matter or your phrasing...or the two combined

Ever job is either a pimp or whore if you think about it. Somebody is always making money off someone else. I worked for a huge Oil Company and was one of their whore's or at least that was whtf it felt like.

I think prostitution should be legal btw and people shoud be able to work for whomever.

Pimps in my mind MAKE people work for them under threat.

[Marcus Aurelius]

Saying that someone works at a shitty job equates to selling your body for food is about as demeaning as it gets. Don't go there.

I suggest that another thread be started if this ones goes awry.

[WTF]

Originally Posted by Lauren Summerhill

Oh brilliant, let's take new underwear down to abused/homeless women's shelters and suggest to them they become prostitutes. Have you lost your mind?
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No I suggested you tell them about your job while taking them underware and see if they might be intrested.

Is that so wrong?

If I were a CPA and suggested they get in that field would you be getting so worked up?

Calm down, we are having a discussion. You may not be understanding just wtf I am saying. Ask nicely and lets discuss this like adults.

[WTF]

Originally Posted by Marcus Aurelius

Saying that someone works at a shitty job equates to selling your body for food is about as demeaning as it gets. Don't go there.

I suggest that another thread be started if this ones goes awry.

We all work for food MA.

We all sell our skills.

Would you and the girls/ladies calm down and take a breath and have a calm discussion and quit saying I said something I did not.

You are demeaning the fuc out of common sense and I do not care for that anymore than you care to have things misunderstood......

I will say if you are and others can not be adults about a simple discussion, I have no desire to have this with you.

ask me a question and actually listen to my reply...but enough of the bs indignation.

Originally Posted by Lauren Summerhill

I'm stunned that this thread could take such a demeaning turn.

It is only demeaning if you choose to make it so.

[Camille]

Originally Posted by WTF

Why? I did not say go work for your husband or boyfriend or an agency or some pimp or even Lauren.




Ever job is either a pimp or whore if you think about it. Somebody is always making money off someone else. I worked for a huge Oil Company and was one of their whore's or at least that was whtf it felt like.

I think prostitution should be legal btw and people shoud be able to work for whomever.

Pimps in my mind MAKE people work for them under threat.

Give over. I'm only on my first coffee so I have no idea why it sounds as I said yet. It just does. I'll think about it some more after a couple more coffees

Back to what Lauren and Nina and others have said though it does seem that when we give to shelters (or think of doing so) we are not always giving basic enough things. As I said in my earlier post, I would never have thought of knickers...yet it's pretty obvious really isn't it? Bath/cleansing products too...another brill idea. I'm guessing that things like toothbrushes/tampax/hairbrush and perhaps things like face cloths would be very welcome too. I've taken lots of clothes and boots etc before...but never thought about anything as basic as the things that have come up in this thread. I'm going to making up a box of all the above which I'll take down when I've done a bit more travel so it's well stocked with the smaller toiletries.

C x

[NinaBrooke]

I don`t think WTF suggested working as a prostitute to make ends meet. I think we all need to calm down and not interprete each others writings so demeaning. I`d not suggest working as an escort to anyone any different than i suggest any other jobs.
I had a girlfriend once that wanted to work as an escort, but it was her that approached me and i taught her. I would never ask anyone to do that job. Nor ask anyone else to do any of the other jobs i did (or still do).
Its just a job like anyone else. Not everyone prefers to do it.
I think women in homeless shelters also know they can find jobs. So lets not take this the wrong way and overreact - as usual ;-).


Ps: it might well be that women in homeless shelters are too offended to even take things that come from work that escorts generate. I have been in situations like that. Similar to wives not seing escorts as something good for their marriages - but instead as homewreckers and bad evils who try to convince their husbands to do things they believe they otherwise would not do (lol). I have had people not wanting to take things from me because they knew about my work as escort.
Also many humanitarian activities don`t take money from brothels. Its common sense.

I don`t agree. But i think people should know where their donations come from. Some refuse to take anything from escorts. That is, Lauren, something you also want to rethink.