The hobby is alive and well . .. . . . in Florida

[berryberry]

Originally Posted by JaydenJynx

Um Berry when did I say I was? I was agreeing with her that most guys tell me they think something is up when a girl doesn’t screen. Maybe you guys don’t want to screen which is up to you. I just don’t understand the complaining. If you don’t want to be screened simply see a provider who doesn’t. But most providers I’ve personally met who don’t screen are in some sort of bad situation. It’s not worth risking your safety and freedom. So many guys on here say screening won’t save us from these situations and of course nothing is 100% but I can assure you we check up on someone’s criminal record and if they’re LE. I’ve had a few people contact me that I found out were sex offenders or had committed robberies in the past. Luckily by screening I probably saved myself from a bad situation. I also accept references for anyone who isn’t comfortable giving me personal information. I also don’t take deposits but since I screen I only get maybe two no call no shows a year so I really don’t feel the need at this point. But whatever works best for each provider to make them comfortable is best.

Well you agreed 100% with her post where she insulted the providers I saw and said each was a "lady that is that far down on her luck. . . . if a lady is meeting with men with zero regards for her safety, security or freedom she is in a bad place." If you were only agreeing with a very small portion of her statement, you should have not said you agree 100% with what she said.

And what she said is not true and a bunch of BS. I already stated that yes, one provider I saw was in fact down on her luck but all their rest certainly were not. Far from it. They all had very nice private incalls. The fact that they operate differently without the personal invasive screening is a good thing.

And as Bam pointed out - do you share your real life personal info with each of your clients? No. So you are being hypocritical wanting that info from guys. But I will at least give you credit for saying you accept references if guys are not comfortable sharing their personal info with you. So you understand why guys do not want to share real life personal info.

And can you please explain how a provider screening someone with real life info helps protect the guy? It doesn't provide the guy any protection. Actually it makes him more vulnerable to blackmail, etc.

Finally let me ask you this - why would you even need a reference to see someone like Bambino - who has hobbied respectfully a long time - or myself who also has hobbied for years, never caused a problem and has 80+ reviews posted here - or any monger who is fairly active on this site? What is a reference going to tell you that you can't determine for yourself on most guys who post here that have been respectable hobbyists for some time?

[berryberry]

Originally Posted by burgh1

I lived down there for several years, it's just a different vibe. Lots of legit, safe providers, charging reasonable rates, and that even included providers who were active in Tampa's local porn scene. There was also a really active scene in the lingerie shops, you'd actually pay a little more there because the girls had to give a cut to the shop, but some smoking hot talent to be found.

The whole screening mentality has just never been a thing with the locals. Agencies and high end touring girls had more requirements, but generally you got what you paid for there. If DG has been successful marketing herself at that level, congrats to her.

Morgan, youre a perfect fit for South Florida, there is just so much money down there you're probably wondering why it took you so long to make the move. Sorry I never got to see you while you were here.

But for guys who just want some affordable fun without the nonsense, there aren't many places better than Tampa Bay.

Thanks. You are like the 4th guy in the thread to confirm what I said about the Florida hobby scene and I had several others do so via PM. I am not sure why the only people taking exception are 3 local (or formerly local) providers. Well, actually I can assume why they are taking exception as I am sure most of you can too - but c'est la vie. I personally enjoy taking the occasional trip to Florida and going on a provider binge - better attitudes, more variety, far less bullshit and much more realistic rates than we see in this area. I would encourage others to try it

[berryberry]

Originally Posted by deellesamson

I don't think the past reviews on the Starfish were enough to protect the gentleman that just had his deposit eaten before being ghosted by her this week. Your past history as a good or consistent provider is no indicator of whether or not you'll suddenly go rogue at the end of the day.

Nor all the guys ripped off for thousands by old Jesse of old Indy's fame. All her past reviews didn't help those guys she ripped off. As you note - anyone can go rogue at any time

[JaydenJynx]

Originally Posted by berryberry

Well you agreed 100% with her post where she insulted the providers I saw and said each was a "lady that is that far down on her luck. . . . if a lady is meeting with men with zero regards for her safety, security or freedom she is in a bad place." If you were only agreeing with a very small portion of her statement, you should have not said you agree 100% with what she said.

And what she said is not true and a bunch of BS. I already stated that yes, one provider I saw was in fact down on her luck but all their rest certainly were not. Far from it. They all had very nice private incalls. The fact that they operate differently without the personal invasive screening is a good thing.

And as Bam pointed out - do you share your real life personal info with each of your clients? No. So you are being hypocritical wanting that info from guys. But I will at least give you credit for saying you accept references if guys are not comfortable sharing their personal info with you. So you understand why guys do not want to share real life personal info.

And can you please explain how a provider screening someone with real life info helps protect the guy? It doesn't provide the guy any protection. Actually it makes him more vulnerable to blackmail, etc.

Finally let me ask you this - why would you even need a reference to see someone like Bambino - who has hobbied respectfully a long time - or myself who also has hobbied for years, never caused a problem and has 80+ reviews posted here - or any monger who is fairly active on this site? What is a reference going to tell you that you can't determine for yourself on most guys who post here that have been respectable hobbyists for some time?

I said that the providers I’ve personally met who don’t screen are in some sort of bad situation. I did agree with what she said. Maybe that’s not the case for all the providers you’ve met though.

Like I just said, there is absolutely no reason why a client would need my personal info. I never said it protected the client. I said most guys that I’ve met think that it’s strange if a provider doesn’t screen. As in maybe she’s LE or desperate because of other activities. I would never try to blackmail someone but I understand that a client doesn’t know that. But I tell them the truth that it’s not worth ruining my reputation over. But honestly 95% of guys have no issue with screening with RL info. They’re used to it and even though they have references they figure it’s faster and easier. When I was new I never asked for RL info because I figured no one would ever give it to me but I was so wrong about that.

I wasn’t talking about Bambino specifically in that post. I just meant in general I ask for a reference from someone who doesn’t want to give RL info.

[berryberry]

Originally Posted by JaydenJynx

I said that the providers I’ve personally met who don’t screen are in some sort of bad situation. I did agree with what she said. Maybe that’s not the case for all the providers you’ve met though.

Like I just said, there is absolutely no reason why a client would need my personal info. I never said it protected the client.

Well the whole point of my thread was there is a big hobby world out there where:

1. Providers don't ask for real life references / ID / personal information.

2. Providers don't ask for a deposit

3. Rates are fair and realistic

It sure isn't in the hobby hell here in Pittsburgh but it is in Florida - and just because they do things differently and much more client friendly doesn't mean they are in a bad situation. Far from it. They are just more in tune IMO to their client's desires

Well if you agree there is no reason why a client needs your personal info - why do you believe you deserve the client's personal info. What is good for one, is good for the other.
No need to answer - it's a rhetorical question.

I am glad you admitted though that giving a client your personal info would not protect the client. Because the opposite is true as well - getting a client's personal does not necessarily protect you. The fact is hobbying is an illegal activity and risks are involved for all parties. When both partied understand that and share the risk, things are more balanced than when one person holds all the cards (like personal information) on another.

[bambino]

Originally Posted by JaydenJynx

Well you guys have reviews to find out anything you need to about us so there’s no need for me to give out my RL info. We don’t have reviews on you guys. You guys can easily find out if we’re LE, going to rob you or whatever else. But like I said if someone’s not comfortable giving out personal info I take references.

You didn’t answer my question. I’ve been around the hobby many years more than you. If you ask for my RL info, would you give yours to me. Don’t dance around it. Yes or no. But here’s the deal, you’ve been around, have a good reputation, I wouldn’t ask, because I already did my research on you. I would give you references, but that’s it. No RL info. If references aren’t good enough, I would politely move on.

[JaydenJynx]

Originally Posted by berryberry

Well the whole point of my thread was there is a big hobby world out there where:

1. Providers don't ask for real life references / ID / personal information.

2. Providers don't ask for a deposit

3. Rates are fair and realistic

It sure isn't in the hobby hell here in Pittsburgh but it is in Florida - and just because they do things differently and much more client friendly doesn't mean they are in a bad situation. Far from it. They are just more in tune IMO to their client's desires

Well if you agree there is no reason why a client needs your personal info - why do you believe you deserve the client's personal info. What is good for one, is good for the other.
No need to answer - it's a rhetorical question.

I am glad you admitted though that giving a client your personal info would not protect the client. Because the opposite is true as well - getting a client's personal does not necessarily protect you. The fact is hobbying is an illegal activity and risks are involved for all parties. When both partied understand that and share the risk, things are more balanced than when one person holds all the cards (like personal information) on another.

Like I said the ones I’ve personally met were in bad situations but maybe that’s not the case with everyone you’ve met. I also already said that you guys have reviews. You can easily come to this site or plenty of others to find out exactly what a provider is like. When a girl is a thief it’s usually found out immediately. If a girl is really LE it’s also found out immediately. We don’t have review sites for clients. If I would agree to see someone with 0 screening (RL info or reference) I would have no idea if I’m going to get arrested, assaulted or robbed. The guy could be a pimp or a sex trafficker. Those are not risks most ladies are willing to take unless they need money really badly. The rate of violence against sex workers is insanely higher than the general public. So no I wouldn’t consider us to be the ones with all the power. I just don’t get why you would need our RL info when you have reviews? Can you answer me that? What would you guys even do with our info? I use it to check someone’s criminal history and if they’re LE. I guess you could do the same but you’d already know that stuff ahead of time.

[JaydenJynx]

Originally Posted by bambino

You didn’t answer my question. I’ve been around the hobby many years more than you. If you ask for my RL info, would you give yours to me. Don’t dance around it. Yes or no. But here’s the deal, you’ve been around, have a good reputation, I wouldn’t ask, because I already did my research on you. I would give you references, but that’s it. No RL info. If references aren’t good enough, I would politely move on.

I just told you I personally take references if someone isn’t comfortable with RL info. Not every provider is like that though. For girls that don’t, no I don’t think they should have to give up their RL info. Because for example, you said you already know I have a good reputation. The same could be said for any of those providers as well. You can easily look up their reviews to make sure they’re safe. We don’t have that luxury.

[berryberry]

Originally Posted by JaydenJynx

Like I said the ones I’ve personally met were in bad situations but maybe that’s not the case with everyone you’ve met. I also already said that you guys have reviews. You can easily come to this site or plenty of others to find out exactly what a provider is like. When a girl is a thief it’s usually found out immediately. If a girl is really LE it’s also found out immediately. We don’t have review sites for clients. If I would agree to see someone with 0 screening (RL info or reference) I would have no idea if I’m going to get arrested, assaulted or robbed. The guy could be a pimp or a sex trafficker. Those are not risks most ladies are willing to take unless they need money really badly. The rate of violence against sex workers is insanely higher than the general public. So no I wouldn’t consider us to be the ones with all the power. I just don’t get why you would need our RL info when you have reviews? Can you answer me that? What would you guys even do with our info? I use it to check someone’s criminal history and if they’re LE. I guess you could do the same but you’d already know that stuff ahead of time.

Sure we have reviews. But you have the same chance to see that guys here review other girls and if they are active in the hobby. You can easily determine from most guys posts and review history of other providers that they are legit and not LE. Plus we all know there are sites where providers have shared info on clients. Maybe you personally never used them but let's not pretend they don't exist.

And you say if a girl is a thief it is found out immediately. But the same would hold true if a guy is a thief or risk - providers have posted that type of info. But again, there is always a risk - you will never eliminate it. Just because someone hasn't ripped someone off before doesn't mean they will rip off their next client or provider. We have seen that happen with very well respected providers

As to "having all the power" - what I said is "When both parties understand share the risk, things are more balanced than when one person holds all the cards (like personal information) on another." A guy who shares his real life info is at a much greater risk of being blackmailed. But that risk is lessoned if both parties have something to lose - so if you want a guy's RL info, then the guy should get your RL info. It is only fair and helps reduce the blackmail risk. And yes, a guy could use a providers RL info to check your criminal history - just as you say you check theirs. Why should the safety you claim only be one way? And no, guys do not generally know all of a provider's criminal history. There are rules on what info can be shared on the board

Again, to me it is 100% hypocritical to say you need a guys RL info yet you refuse to provide the same to him. Both of you are taking the same amount of risk. Perhaps different risks for each but the same amount.

And FWIW, personally I would not give anyone my RL info and thus would not ask you for yours - anonymity is what has always made the hobby work. If my board presence and long history of reviews with zero issues is not good enough for you to determine I am ok to see (the same exact criteria you say guys should rely on) - then I find someone else who is fine with that.

And that brings me back to my original post - and why Florida is an awesome place to hobby because those girls down there get it. No silly hoops etc. to jump through to have fun

[MorganOBM]

I’ve met more providers than I care to admit and *gasp* I personally hate to screen. It’s basically a thorn in my side but it also keeps me safe and I’ll stand by what I originally said. Berry, you know me better than to say I’m trying to act better and that reflects poorly. That’s just crazy talk. I’m the first one to say I’m absolutely no different than any provider, there are 50k a night providers out there that think I’m rock bottom. This wasn’t judgement, it was a statement given from years of experience. How many providers have I been associated with over the years going back to the ASPD days? Geez I lost count but I know it’s over 100. How many have I met in passing? Triple that at least.

I’m not trying to rain on your parade, you are stating to go to Florida and see girls who charge 100 and won’t screen you. That’s like telling amateurs to do what Jonny Knoxville does on Jackass..... someone is going to get injured in that risky statement. It’s not the promised land you offer. Anyone not screening and charging 100 has problems, I don’t know what they are but they are present and not mild.

Thanks burgh1, I love it here is SoFl!!!!!! It’s a weird hobby environment. Hourly business is slow but I make more money, when someone schedules they spend an obscene amount if that makes any sense.

[MorganOBM]

Oh fun fact, I actually stripped in Tampa for a minute the summer after I got out of high school. I hated it but the clubs were really nice!!!!

[cabot]

Originally Posted by berryberry

I am glad you admitted though that giving a client your personal info would not protect the client. Because the opposite is true as well - getting a client's personal does not necessarily protect you. The fact is hobbying is an illegal activity and risks are involved for all parties.

I think the first sentence is true, and the second sentence is only partly true(because it includes the word 'necessarily).

This overall doesn't seem complicated:

1) A provider having RL info on her client absolutely decreases her risk.

2) A client giving RL info to a provider absolutely increases his risk.

It's not absolute, it's not 100%, it's not every situation, blah, blah, blah.

When I read someone trying to pretend that those 2 statements aren't true, then I know they're either full of shit or lying to others and/or themselves.

OBM is not lying about anything; I believe she's agreeing with #1. Her point on #2 is that she has enough clients who will accept the marginal risk to allow her to screen. Which is great for her, and her clients are still happy - so a win-win. No one (I don't believe) is arguing against her decreasing her risks by taking RL info.

Anyone who is saying # 2 is false (or even worse, that giving RL info to a provider protects the client) is blathering nonsense.

[Dr-epg]

Thread is about the hobby in Florida

Can we get back on track.

Thank You

[burgh1]

Originally Posted by MorganOBM

Thanks burgh1, I love it here is SoFl!!!!!! It’s a weird hobby environment. Hourly business is slow but I make more money, when someone schedules they spend an obscene amount if that makes any sense.

Totally makes sense.. 1 session @ $3k is more than 4 @ $500....

[PghBill0131]

I’m going to Florida for my first trip alone. I can’t wait.