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Old 11-01-2014, 01:08 AM   #31
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Honestly if you look at how she has spoke to the MODs in the past, why would they want her to suck their dick. If there are corrupt MODs who offer a favor for a favor, they are going to be equally corrupt in sticking it to her when she is looking for a favor after getting sassy with them. Apparently compliance (even if disingenuous in order to manipulate a situation in her favor) is not her strong point.
yep, attitude and lack of uppity entitlement is the key. I'd rather have an all male/TS orgy with TS Still Looking, Whipsers, Simon Riley, rocker Rick, Crazy Marine, Bonn11, than spend 5 minutes in the company of someone you are trying to help who sees you as the enemy.

Now that she is a verified provider, maybe she will go back and look at her rants & posts and see the same responses to help her from Providers, Hobbiests, Me and Mojojo. In the time and energy it took to bitch and complain, verification could have been completed a week or so ago.
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yep, attitude and lack of uppity entitlement is the key. I'd rather have an all male/TS orgy with TS Still Looking, Whipsers, Simon Riley, rocker Rick, Crazy Marine, Bonn11, than spend 5 minutes in the company of someone you are trying to help who sees you as the enemy.
I just threw-up a little in my mouth. Pass.

I nominate Mayor Castro to take my place in your little sausage-fest nightmare. That MF needs some moderator cock and/or mangina.

... You sick puppy.
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Old 11-01-2014, 02:14 AM   #33
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yep, attitude and lack of uppity entitlement is the key. I'd rather have an all male/TS orgy with TS Still Looking, Whipsers, Simon Riley, rocker Rick, Crazy Marine, Bonn11, than spend 5 minutes in the company of someone you are trying to help who sees you as the enemy.

Now that she is a verified provider, maybe she will go back and look at her rants & posts and see the same responses to help her from Providers, Hobbiests, Me and Mojojo. In the time and energy it took to bitch and complain, verification could have been completed a week or so ago.
*lurks in corner masterbating*
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yep, attitude and lack of uppity entitlement is the key. I'd rather have an all male/TS orgy with TS Still Looking, Whipsers, Simon Riley, rocker Rick, Crazy Marine, Bonn11, than spend 5 minutes in the company of someone you are trying to help who sees you as the enemy.
TS Still Looking
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hmmmmmm....Although It is VERY disturbing for you to have such thoughts about me Von.....

I'm not sure how I feel about being in your top 6 list but at least you put me BEHIND Still Looking and Bonn WAY in the rear.....

At least she is consistent and the ugly attitude matches the looks.....
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I don't fall under the 25 and younger guideline, so no. But like I said on your other thread, when asked, I have. Other serious websites do ask for ID.
Thank you for answering. I appreciate you not taking my post as trying to be difficult.
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I've sent my I'd to two diff sites even tho I'm way past the age of consent just because I looked young and no problems with being outted.
Thank you for your helpful input. I am really just wanting to play like everyone else. And wanted to see if this had been a issue for anyone else.

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Same here.


And you should be happy you have that youthful appearance. Now get a fucking ID and use it for all its worth while you got it, girl!
Smh. Why are you cursing? Wasn't very helpful but OK. I don't respond well when people are cursing at me.

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you know you have a good attitude about this...I think.Thanks. I am trying to not be mean like these "Women" are.

You don't want to give out your personal information and you want to prevent yourself from being outted. You can start with concealing pictures of your face. Although you think that no one in your personal or professional life now or in the future is going to find this site, you don't want to run that risk. Also ensure to cover up or hide any distinguishable tattoos in your pics.

but still, if you want to be a verified provider....you have to cough up what mod-tards ask for.
Mod-tards When have I said anything disrespectful about them please point it out. I did cough it up. Thanks for the laugh but if I would have said it I would have gotten ANOTHER infraction I'm SURE

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I don't like to assume, (But then you do!!!)but sometimes you can't help but put pieces of a puzzle together. It sounds like she is saying she can't get an ID b/c she might not be able to leave the DMV freely without getting some things sorted out "If you know what I'm saying".

I don't know why she would disclose that kind of info to us. It's really none of our business, but thanks anyway! Too many red flags are going up. I was being sarcastic. I had to take a break from responding to this thread because I did not want to post while upset.(Although I did) There are those rude men on here LOVE to assume we do nothing more in our time but sell pussy.They have many I said I have No ID because honestly that is what they assume. Not all the men think this way, but there are a few even on THIS thread that follow my post around Talking MESS!!!

Apparently, being a hooker equates not having an ID; or possibly being in some dire situation which makes one RESORT to hooking.
You better believe i was in a dire situation that I too resorted to hooking.Or did you think I woke up in my Beverly Hills home and decided to sell my ass on a website bullying me to not join? Get off the gas Mama!!! Everyone has reasons to be here. You have yours and I have mines. I happen to like sex so I feel this is something i can do UNTIL I get back on my feet. Hell I like this more thab any job I have ever had.

I'm sure someone out there is sympathetic enough to overlook her self-posted alerts of the kind of people she associates with, and/or don't have anything to loose and finds it ok to associate with people who "for some reason" can't get an ID. js
Excuse me older lady, you have investigated me well but seem to miss my post about having a ID. My OP was a question. Did you answer it? Are you even a newer provider? No, honestly your input was useless beside stirring up mess.

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So, according to your welcome ad, you're a 25 year old recent college grad...but you have no ID? And most of your "associates" also have no IDs? I'm sorry, but in find that bizarre. You can't fly anywhere? You can't write a check? You can't even go view an apartment or check into a hotel? You can't drive? How do you function? Where's your college ID at least? Have you ever had a legit job or even applied for one?

If you don't want to show the ID, just say so, but I honestly think your story doesn't sound right.

That said, I can PERSONALLY vouch for the administration here. They will verify and destroy. It's for everyone's protection, so ante up if you want to be able to advertise here.

If you have warrants or something, get them taken care off...otherwise, they will pop up,at the worst possible time.

Good luck.
No, No warrants. No issues besides being ignored on my OP. I was just frustrated everyone is concerned about my ID and not my question. I have already made $$ here and seen the potential it can bring. I was not trying to advert from producing proof I am of age. I wanted to be sure the game was being played fair. I did not want to come off like a liar.... but anyone who has done research on me can see I have posted for Incall help and did have a ID to book rooms.
With that said I was upset and had to stop responding because you ladies we're trying to take me out of character.


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Give her a break. I've had friends that haven't had ID's for whatever reason.Thank you. These woman want to say I have warrants and all kind of negative things. As if I could not have lost it or anyhing else...

Especially when they've been from out of town and don't have the correct documents needed. I used to have a boyfriend (20 years ago) who lost his license, moved to Galveston (not in that order), and then was too damn lazy to get his birth certificate from his parents to get a new ID.

He didn't drive. Gosh. Thinking back, he was just worthless in so many ways. Eck. That sounded bad. Anyway ... it happens.

Showing proof of age is something new. I'm a moderator on here and although I can feel your pain, this is a policy that should have been implemented on Eccie years ago but now, it's being done.

If you're a certain age, and younger, you need to show proof of age.

Do I need to do it? Well, no. Not because I'm the ripe old age of 50+ but because I've been around awhile and most just KNOW that I'm an older lady. I'm certainly over 30.Thanks for answering my question.

Anyone could come and join Eccie and say that they're any age. Especially if you're not a known lady, with reviews and such.

I just don't see the powers that be skirting around the new rules about age verification with ladies under 25. Not much else to say. Sorry that it's not working out for you to get verified.

My cheap late night advice: During the next few months, focus on trying to get a social security card, or your birth certificate, and/or start doing what you need to do to get your personal business sorted out so that you CAN get a valid ID.

It happens to the best of us ... not having one (although I'll admit, I've never NOT had an ID in my life). But get one. You'll need to do it eventually if you hope to get grounded in society.

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Elsa,

All new ECCIE hooktards have to present an ID since the Redbook fiasco. It is to eliminate underage girls from becoming verified providers. There are a lot of attempts by underage and/or pimped girls to become verified. Some succeeded since some fucktards don't give a fuck.
You have a weird way of speaking to me. Some posts you seem to offer help, and some you seem to be provoking me.

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One thing the confused young lady is not understanding in response to the answers she is getting.....

is that most of the ladies responding have been around quite a while and are past that quarter of a century mark......

The OP is new..... New girls are being made to prove things that were not as much of a concern in the past....

Sucks but the board has to adapt with the times.....

Most of the new/younger gals get verified and do business and never post..... they are too buys fucking, sucking and going to the bank to be worried about participating here.....
You seem to be confused. This is a escort site/forum. Do you see anyone from here? After doing my reading up on you sir, I find you to be annoying. I wont entertain you.

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Hummm....what happened to the ID you used to have?
SMH, Now you do your research!

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Honestly if you look at how she has spoke to the MODs in the past, why would they want her to suck their dick. If there are corrupt MODs who offer a favor for a favor, they are going to be equally corrupt in sticking it to her when she is looking for a favor after getting sassy with them. Apparently compliance (even if disingenuous in order to manipulate a situation in her favor) is not her strong point.

Elisabeth,

You often give people the benefit of the doubt. In my eyes you have always been kind, endearing, and helpful. Trust me we tried this same approach in the other thread she started. She was just down right defensive and rude. So no, I won't be "giving her a break". Your late night advice, while helpful and sweet, is rudimentary, especially to a college grad.
Dangggg older lady! Why you so mean? I want you to explain what I have said about them that is disrespectful? I am sure you been looking.

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You speak like you've not had sex with someone that is pissed off at you.
She does right!

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If that is what no-nonsense sounds like to you, sure ok!

I just got my brains fucked out for 2 hours.

"Hooktard" life! You should try it.
I DONT BELIEVE YOU. Based on your attitude and past post you seem to be lacking good dick. You posted in both my threads so when did this two hour session "JUST" happen?
See how easy it is to jump to conclusions....
BTW Are you prego? i assume from the pose and tummy in your profile picture, you are showing!!! Do your clients like that you are about 4 months pregnant?


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Don't take it personal, it is not. Helping others come back to you tenfold. When you help someone, they are allowing you to receive a blessing. Do you.



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She lost her way back in my other thread.

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TS Still Looking
Whipsers
Simon Riley
rocker Rick
Crazy Marine
Bonn11


hmmmmmm....Although It is VERY disturbing for you to have such thoughts about me Von.....

I'm not sure how I feel about being in your top 6 list but at least you put me BEHIND Still Looking and Bonn WAY in the rear.....

At least she is consistent and the ugly attitude matches the looks.....

Ugly? Your tripping my thick juicy lips and sexy smooth skin is better than you think. If you don't like me that's fine but don't call me ugly. I am sure you don't mind me blocking you so I wont have to see any of your hating ass comments. Peace out Fucktard!!!
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Old 11-01-2014, 10:02 PM   #36
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And no, I have never and would never send my ID.
This should have been your one post. But you wanted to be rude I guess
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Old 11-01-2014, 10:58 PM   #37
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And to think, I gave you all that rope so you could show us your best girl scout knots.



Never even had to call you out of your name or take shots at your looks.
I'm getting good at this.


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Thank you for answering. I appreciate you not taking my post as trying to be difficult.

Thank you for your helpful input. I am really just wanting to play like everyone else. And wanted to see if this had been a issue for anyone else.


Smh. Why are you cursing? Wasn't very helpful but OK. I don't respond well when people are cursing at me.


Mod-tards When have I said anything disrespectful about them please point it out. I did cough it up. Thanks for the laugh but if I would have said it I would have gotten ANOTHER infraction I'm SURE



Excuse me older lady, you have investigated me well but seem to miss my post about having a ID. My OP was a question. Did you answer it? Are you even a newer provider? No, honestly your input was useless beside stirring up mess.



No, No warrants. No issues besides being ignored on my OP. I was just frustrated everyone is concerned about my ID and not my question. I have already made $$ here and seen the potential it can bring. I was not trying to advert from producing proof I am of age. I wanted to be sure the game was being played fair. I did not want to come off like a liar.... but anyone who has done research on me can see I have posted for Incall help and did have a ID to book rooms.
With that said I was upset and had to stop responding because you ladies we're trying to take me out of character.



Thanks again for replying to OP.


You have a weird way of speaking to me. Some posts you seem to offer help, and some you seem to be provoking me.


You seem to be confused. This is a escort site/forum. Do you see anyone from here? After doing my reading up on you sir, I find you to be annoying. I wont entertain you.


SMH, Now you do your research!


Dangggg older lady! Why you so mean? I want you to explain what I have said about them that is disrespectful? I am sure you been looking.

She does right!


I DONT BELIEVE YOU. Based on your attitude and past post you seem to be lacking good dick. You posted in both my threads so when did this two hour session "JUST" happen?
See how easy it is to jump to conclusions....
BTW Are you prego? i assume from the pose and tummy in your profile picture, you are showing!!! Do your clients like that you are about 4 months pregnant?



She lost her way back in my other thread.


Ugly? Your tripping my thick juicy lips and sexy smooth skin is better than you think. If you don't like me that's fine but don't call me ugly. I am sure you don't mind me blocking you so I wont have to see any of your hating ass comments. Peace out Fucktard!!!
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Old 11-02-2014, 12:38 AM   #38
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One thing the confused young lady is not understanding in response to the answers she is getting.....

is that most of the ladies responding have been around quite a while and are past that quarter of a century mark......

The OP is new..... New girls are being made to prove things that were not as much of a concern in the past....

Sucks but the board has to adapt with the times.....

Most of the new/younger gals get verified and do business and never post..... they are too buys fucking, sucking and going to the bank to be worried about participating here.....


You seem to be confused. This is a escort site/forum. Do you see anyone from here? After doing my reading up on you sir, I find you to be annoying. I wont entertain you.

I see an occasional young lady but my tastes are far more refined than a female like you could hope to come close to filling. You will not be able to tell a lot about many guys from what they post here.... Some of us go back a long time and quit reviewing long ago for a variety of reasons..... What's shared behind the scenes often has far more value to some....

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At least she is consistent and the ugly attitude matches the looks.....
Ugly? Your tripping my thick juicy lips and sexy smooth skin is better than you think.


I don't do Fat, Fugly or ignorant...... All three traits you display....


If you don't like me that's fine but don't call me ugly. I am sure you don't mind me blocking you so I wont have to see any of your hating ass comments. Peace out Fucktard!!!


Your a whore advertising on a site dedicating to sharing opinions, information views etc about whores.... Feel free to block me... What gets written is for a bigger audience then your lips or tits.....
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I'm getting good at this.
hmmmm..... Some of me is rubbing off on you...... I think this is a cupcake moment darlin!
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hmmmm..... Some of me is rubbing off on you...... I think this is a cupcake moment darlin!
"I learned it from watching you dad!"

Geez why'd you have to piss her off so bad whispers? Misplaced anger is a mother fucker.

You know girls can't stand it to be called old, ugly, or fat. It's their soft spot (mine is just my belly. well my tits and my ass too. shit I'm just soft, can't you tell from my posts this weekend! I digress.).... if they're insecure and feel the need to defend their beauty that is.

I was actually mad at you when you said she was ugly but shhhhh don't tell her that. You know, since she blocked us and can't see these posts. No one else sees them either right?

I'll take the cupcake though! If I lose any weight this chick won't have any come backs for me. Hell, no one will.
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*lurks in corner masterbating*

and another post I read in Austin co-ed made me bust out laughing today.
It started and ended with the words squawk squawk.
Those two had me laughing for a while.
Oh, and so did the Mod getting kissed by another man thread.
I think there was lurking and masturbating going on in there too. I could be wrong.

You have to admit there is some quite entertaining stuff to read here.
If it weren't for the notorious posters on ECCIE this place would be all, boooooriiiiiiiiing. Nobody likes that shit.
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I haven't submitted my ID to Eccie, but I am also not under 25. There is another site similar to this that did require my ID. I sent it in, and have yet to experience any problems. If you want to become a verified provider, you have to follow the rules.
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You have a weird way of speaking to me. Some posts you seem to offer help, and some you seem to be provoking me.


The quote from simon that you responded to here answered the gist of your question.

Did you google Redbook? That was the affair that caused the root of your question.
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"I learned it from watching you dad!"

Ahhhh...sheeeeeeeettttttttttt! ... You HAD to go there?.... Your mom promised me you would never know!

Geez why'd you have to piss her off so bad whispers? Misplaced anger is a mother fucker. I was NOT an angry man when I fucked your mother....

You know girls can't stand it to be called old, ugly, or fat. It's their soft spot (mine is just my belly. well my tits and my ass too. shit I'm just soft, can't you tell from my posts this weekend! I digress.)....

I was wondering if you had retired the claws... Ya got to realize that there are dumb ho's and then there are DUMB HO's......

if they're insecure and feel the need to defend their beauty that is.

I was actually mad at you when you said she was ugly but shhhhh don't tell her that. You know, since she blocked us and can't see these posts. No one else sees them either right? Yeah... I don't like that feature..... When she blocks someone in her threads the only people that can see the posts are the others she blocks and her..... None of those other people get to enjoy what we say!

I'll take the cupcake though! If I lose any weight this chick won't have any cum backs for me. Hell, no one will.

Cum Backs?

Ahhh... I get it...... Pull out and cum on your back!

Is that an upcharge?
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What you say about my mama?
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