Racism or Freedom of Speach

[themystic]

Originally Posted by grean

I do not believe that white are put ahead because society puts us their anymore. Do white folks have a leg up? In some cases. This cases are becoming less and less. We were born in the same century when police gave KKK armed escorts! Is it perfect today? Far from it. It's much better than it was. And maybe too slowly we are still getting better. It may seem as if implicit hasn't declined any, but it has. Social media, media in general, for that matter show the most awefull examples. Can you imagine how bad it was prior to a camera being on every cell phone? The 90s were horrible!

If three men, today, go into a restaurant, who ever came in first will likely get served first. If a white guy applies for the same job as a black man, if they were equally qualified, if they white got the job, he just had a better interview or vice versa unless the employer has a bias. Yes, there are still plenty of people in positions that are racist. So yes, whites do have a leg up in those cases. Implicit bias definitely exists in people. However, I simply do not believe it's as bad as most make it out to be. And again, it is always getting better.

It is way better. Trump supporters for the most part are white racists. They look at white non Trump supporters as traitors. They wont be along much longer and neither will Trump. Trumps cowardly base hides in the shadows because they know the party will be over soon and they will still need to survive. Scardy cats

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by Whisky_1

Most immigrants only have limited access to the "social safety net" until the transition to permanent resident or citizen has been made. Immigrant in many cases are hired by "sucessful American business entities" as a sketchy cost saving method to perform the most harzardous and ardous labor. So some of those sucessful individuals and business entities you mention are just as culpable if not more as the immigrants you scapegoat for the decline of wages and labor unions.

Consequently, those "successful individuals" and business entities that hire undocumented immigrants, lobby for right to work laws, resist payment of a living wage as well as the firmation of labor unions are the main culprits in driving down wages for the working man.

Next, in addition to being a resident or US citizen full access to the "social safety net" is limited to natural citizens who have a terminal illness, will be disabled for one year or more with a disability that renders them unemployable or a household income below the poverty level. Furthermore, incarceration wil suspend or eliminate access to certain components of the "social safety net" even if an individual has not been convicted of a crime.

More bullshit. The fiscal burden of illegals on U.S. taxpayers is at least $43 billion per year.

As for your "arduous labor" nonsense. Illegals hold six-figure income government jobs in California and this tidbit was in yesterday's news:

ICE agents arrest 280 people at tech repair company in Texas

(CBS)

Tech jobs are not known for being "hazardous".

[grean]

Originally Posted by I B Hankering

More bullshit. The fiscal burden of illegals on U.S. taxpayers is at least $43 billion per year.

As for your "arduous labor" nonsense. Illegals hold six-figure income government jobs in California and this tidbit was in yesterday's news:




Tech jobs are not known for being hazardous.

IB, I believe the number you are quoting was the number that the estimate of the burden was reduced by after further calculation. There is much dispute on the tax burden illegal immigration causes.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&sour...54581183323902

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by grean

IB, I believe the number you are quoting was the number that the estimate of the burden was reduced by after further calculation. There is much dispute on the tax burden illegal immigration causes.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&sour...54581183323902

It was a bottom line figure proffered by a lib-retard site that admitted the fiscal burden might be substantially higher.

[Whisky_1]

Originally Posted by I B Hankering

More bullshit. The fiscal burden of illegals on U.S. taxpayers is at least $43 billion per year.

As for your "arduous labor" nonsense. Illegals hold six-figure income government jobs in California and this tidbit was in yesterday's news:

Tech jobs are not known for being "hazardous".

So you believe this individual is representative of the entire illegal immigrant population? Tech as in skilled technicians are employed in many hazardous occupations. Just because you may not be aware of them does not mean they do not exist. You employ opinion pieces to support your position but dismiss anything of substance that does not reinforce your view which is a good exemplar of cognitive dissonance.

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by Whisky_1

So you believe this individual is representative of the entire illegal immigrant population? Tech as in skilled technicians are employed in many hazardous occupations. Just you may not be aware of them does not mean they do not exist.

Noticed how you failed to acknowledge that in every one of those enumerated instances that well-paying American jobs went to people who are not American citizens leaving American workers unemployed or in lower paying jobs.

[bamscram]

Originally Posted by I B Hankering

More bullshit. The fiscal burden of illegals on U.S. taxpayers is at least $43 billion per year.

As for your "arduous labor" nonsense. Illegals hold six-figure income government jobs in California and this tidbit was in yesterday's news:




Tech jobs are not known for being "hazardous".

You must not have not had a tech job in Iraq.

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by bamscram

You must not have not had a tech job in Iraq.

Texas isn't in Iraq. You've always been bad with geography.

[the_real_Barleycorn]

Originally Posted by grean

I do not believe that white are put ahead because society puts us their anymore. Do white folks have a leg up? In some cases. This cases are becoming less and less. We were born in the same century when police gave KKK armed escorts! Is it perfect today? Far from it. It's much better than it was. And maybe too slowly we are still getting better. It may seem as if implicit hasn't declined any, but it has. Social media, media in general, for that matter show the most awefull examples. Can you imagine how bad it was prior to a camera being on every cell phone? The 90s were horrible!

If three men, today, go into a restaurant, who ever came in first will likely get served first. If a white guy applies for the same job as a black man, if they were equally qualified, if they white got the job, he just had a better interview or vice versa unless the employer has a bias. Yes, there are still plenty of people in positions that are racist. So yes, whites do have a leg up in those cases. Implicit bias definitely exists in people. However, I simply do not believe it's as bad as most make it out to be. And again, it is always getting better.

You make a false assumption, in your examples you seem to imply that it is white making the decisions from the HR person to the waitress (waiter). Isn't that a form of racism?

[dilbert firestorm]

Originally Posted by Whisky_1

The US shares one of the longest demilitarized borders in the world with our military and economic partner to the North...Canada. There is no Northern border wall. Why can't the greatest nation in the world replicate the same success with our economic partner tonthe South....Mexico.

Its a numbers game.


Canada has small population, something like 20-30 million. piffle! not a threat.

now look at south of the border, we're talking 200+ million and many of them are uneducated poor indians of various ethnic groups. that place is so fucked up and its a threat when they bring their crap here.

[dilbert firestorm]

Originally Posted by I B Hankering

Tech jobs are not known for being "hazardous".

yeah, but they are not from south of the border, they are from countries where the standard of living is kinda of shabby but decent and have a history of good education. (India, and most asian countries)



those are the kind of people tech cos would hire. they are not going to hire uneducated twits in tech jobs.

[Whisky_1]

Originally Posted by I B Hankering

Noticed how you failed to acknowledge that in every one of those enumerated instances that well-paying American jobs went to people who are not American citizens leaving American workers unemployed or in lower paying jobs.

Notice how you failed to knowledge that it is possible that no citizens were qualified or wanted the job. Especially since those of your ilk seem to detest academics and science. Since that individual now has a job that person is contributing to society and more importantly to the economy in a positive manner. I operate on the premise it is more efficient and cost effective to give immigrants a hand up then help them intergrate into society.

First you say immigrants don't want to work and create a drain on the social infrastructure then you reverse course and say immigrants are stealing all the well paying jobs from American citizens. For goodness sake make up your dang mind are immigrants lazy and working the system to avoid working or driven individuals with a exceptional work effort that enables them to steal all the well paying jobs from lazy Americans. So which is it?

[Whisky_1]

Originally Posted by dilbert firestorm

yeah, but they are not from south of the border, they are from countries where the standard of living is kinda of shabby but decent and have a history of good education. (India, and most asian countries)



those are the kind of people tech cos would hire. they are not going to hire uneducated twits in tech jobs.

and who might these uneducated twits be?

[The_Waco_Kid]

Originally Posted by Whisky_1

and who might these uneducated twits be?

Uh .. the uneducated twits from Elbonia?









BASHSHAAAAAA

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by Whisky_1

Notice how you failed to knowledge that it is possible that no citizens were qualified or wanted the job. Especially since those of your ilk seem to detest academics and science. Since that individual now has a job that person is contributing to society and more importantly to the economy in a positive manner. I operate on the premise it is more efficient and cost effective to give immigrants a hand up then help them intergrate into society.

First you say immigrants don't want to work and create a drain on the social infrastructure then you reverse course and say immigrants are stealing all the well paying jobs from American citizens. For goodness sake make up your dang mind are immigrants lazy and working the system to avoid working or driven individuals with a exceptional work effort that enables them to steal all the well paying jobs from lazy Americans. So which is it?

You've spouted more hogwash. Beyond any reasonable doubt, there are 280 Americans ready, able and willing to take those tech jobs, and the illegals who were working there were fundamentally unqualified because they were not American citizens. And there are tens of thousands of trained lawyers standing in line to take a six figure government job. And it remains, illegals are a fiscal burden to the American tax payer. And lib-retards who keep bragging that they have such a great grasp on "science" don't know which bathroom to use.