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timpage · 01-07-2013, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

Problem with indefinite detention is, you are guilty if the government thinks you're guilty. You have no opportunity to prove your innocence.

Too bad you are will to shred the Bill of Rights based on a hunch. But that's liberalism for you.

Shit happens in wars....people die, shit gets broken, feelings get hurt and the Bill of Rights is routinely ignored. Too bad you're willing trade feeling all warm and fuzzy that the terrorists' rights are being protected for American lives. But, that's Libertarianism for you.

CuteOldGuy · 01-07-2013, 10:18 AM

Rights are rights. Without them, we become what our enemies are. In other words, they effectively win. So by being willing to ignore our unalienable human rights, puts you on the side of our enemies.

I feel sorry for you, Timmy. You are what's wrong with America.

timpage · 01-07-2013, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

Rights are rights. Without them, we become what our enemies are. In other words, they effectively win. So by being willing to ignore our unalienable human rights, puts you on the side of our enemies.

I feel sorry for you, Timmy. You are what's wrong with America.

You are so full of self-righteous shit that your breath smells bad.

Weaklings like you, who want to tie up our courts with terrorists' appeals, pay for their lawyers and give them a soapbox to stand on to further their cause, which is inherently dangerous to America, make me want to vomit.

Grow a set.

CuteOldGuy · 01-07-2013, 10:26 AM

Without rights, we are not America. It's that simple, Timmy.

Randy4Candy · 01-07-2013, 10:52 AM

Iran-Contra anyone?

You shoveled a load of horse hockey about Reagan and OBL, so here's someting else for you to lie about.

timpage · 01-07-2013, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

Without rights, we are not America. It's that simple, Timmy.

What's simple is that this is about Obama for you.....it's not about rights. This nonsense gives you another whiney-ass talking point about the POTUS.

Rights are routinely ignored, and especially in wartime. And, we're still America. Warts and all.

NiceGuy53 · 01-07-2013, 12:37 PM

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The indefinite detention and warrantless surveillance: if it's directed at folks looking to harm Americans, and of course, that is exactly what it is intended to do... I've got no problem with it.[/QUOTE]

It is funny and ironic how liberals are now ok with indefinite detention and warrantless surveillance under President Obama. But when these same programs were started under President Bush, right after we were hit on 9-11, they were screaming bloody murder.

timpage · 01-07-2013, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by NiceGuy53

It is funny and ironic how liberals are now ok with indefinite detention and warrantless surveillance under President Obama. But when these same programs were started under President Bush, right after we were hit on 9-11, they were screaming bloody murder.

Well, not to point out the obvious, but it is also amusing to how conservatives are screaming bloody murder about indefinite detention and warrantless surveillance under President Obama but were totally fine with it when Bush introduced and was utilizing the policy.

CuteOldGuy · 01-07-2013, 01:14 PM

I was not fine with it when Bush introduced it. Don't hang that on me. And if we are going to call America a "war zone" and use that as an excuse to ignore the rights we have as human beings, as defined in our Declaration of Independence and Constitution, then we are no longer America. We have become our enemy.

When a person can be arrested and detained, based on what the President or military "thinks", without being able to challenge or make the government prove the charges, then we are no better than the old Soviet Union, China, Iraq, Syria or Iran. And then to have so-called "Americans" support this is a disgrace to those who have given the ultimate price so we could have those freedoms.

LovingKayla · 01-08-2013, 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Randy4Candy

Hmmm, sounds like exactly what Good Ol' Ronnie Reagan did back in the day in Afghanistan.....

I can't tell you how much I hate to do this but randy, you are right. I went to look it up and I'll b a sonofabiatch he DID.

LovingKayla · 01-08-2013, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by timpage

Well, not to point out the obvious, but it is also amusing to how conservatives are screaming bloody murder about indefinite detention and warrantless surveillance under President Obama but were totally fine with it when Bush introduced and was utilizing the policy.

Shit. I agree with you too. We totally are guilty of that.

Whirlaway · 01-08-2013, 08:33 AM

News alert/history alert....the mujaheddin was NOT our enemy when Reagan provided them arms and munitions....and many of the mujaheddin (the Northern Alliance) were our allies in throwing the Taliban out during the post 2001 war.

Repeat. Obama is arming our enemy, an enemy who killed thousands of Americans....Reagan did nothing of the sort.

CuteOldGuy · 01-08-2013, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by LovingKayla

Shit. I agree with you too. We totally are guilty of that.

It is still wrong, and still needs to stop.

LovingKayla · 01-08-2013, 08:41 AM

Is it possible for us to all agree they ARE ALL WRONG? Just because he's claims to be a democrat doesn't mean you have to support him. Kinda like us with Romney. Hating the other guy is going to get us all in trouble.

i'va biggen · 01-08-2013, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Whirlaway

News alert/history alert....the mujaheddin was NOT our enemy when Reagan provided them arms and munitions....and many of the mujaheddin (the Northern Alliance) were our allies in throwing the Taliban out during the post 2001 war.

Repeat. Obama is arming our enemy, an enemy who killed thousands of Americans....Reagan did nothing of the sort.

got a link?