Q for the Mods: Sharing my own reviews?

[Wakeup]

Originally Posted by blowpop

Wakeup, in his frenzy to disagree with everything I was doing, seemed positive that I had broken some sort of Eccie rule.

You didn't read your own thread very well...

[enderwiggin]

Originally Posted by Raptorcg

Perhaps asking it from another direction and see if you feel the same way: If providers could review Hobbyist and openly post them with a section only providers could see, would you like to have a chance to see it first, Good or Bad, if the provider offered too?

This is maddeningly close to kicking water uphill, but fuck it... here goes.

Let me start by saying I don't care if a lady "reviews" me. They may say what they wish about me, though I doubt they say anything at all. I have no delusions of grandeur with regard to my reputation, sexual prowess or charisma. Likely, I'm about as forgettable a client as they have ever had. So to answer your question: No, I wouldn't care if I had "a chance to see it". If she offered to let me read it, I probably would for no other reason than it would amuse me and I enjoy reading. You see, I don't stand to make any profit from reviews of me.

That's a key point and it bears repeating. Reviews for a provider are free advertisement for their services. If you don't see why protecting the integrity (such as it is... let's be honest, we all know many of the reviews here are virtually worthless) of the content of a review is valuable, then there's no point to continuing this discussion. There's no point to a site like this at all. It may as well be another eros or backpage. What reason could a hobbyist possibly have for sharing that content? Maybe its like blowpop will likely insist and the ladies just looooove reading and reliving their wonderful sessions together. Or he's such a stellar writer that any review of his is destined to be classic literature.

Or maybe its done to curry favor with a provider, plain and simple. Its an odd demonstration of loyalty to her in the hopes of... something. Perhaps a deeper connection and more special relationship, maybe discounts on services or insight into the areas of the board that hobbyists aren't allowed. I don't know for certain and it ultimately doesn't matter. All that matters now is that the integrity of any information he brings to the board is in doubt IMHO. He can point to the forum guidelines and quibble about the minutia, but we will never know why he's writing the reviews/intel he does and whether or not any of it's true.

[Cockzilla]

Originally Posted by enderwiggin

This is maddeningly close to kicking water uphill, but fuck it... here goes.

Let me start by saying I could care less if a lady "reviewed" me. They may say what they wish about me, though I doubt they say anything at all: I have no delusions of grandeur with regard to my reputation, sexual prowess or charisma. Likely, I'm about as forgettable a client as they have ever had. So to answer your question: No, I wouldn't care if I had "a chance to see it". If she offered to let me read it, I probably would for no other reason than it would amuse me and I enjoy reading. You see, I don't stand to make any profit from reviews of me.

That's a key point and it bears repeating. Reviews for a provider are free advertisement for their services. If you don't see why protecting the integrity (such as it is... let's be honest, we all know many of the reviews here are virtually worthless) of the content of a review is valuable, then there's no point to continuing this discussion. There's no point to a site like this at all. It may as well be another eros or backpage. What reason could a hobbyist possibly have for sharing that content? Maybe its like blowpop will likely insist and the ladies just looooove reading and reliving their wonderful sessions together. Or he's such a stellar writer that any review of his is destined to be classic literature.

Or maybe its done to curry favor with a provider, plain and simple. Its an odd demonstration of loyalty to her in the hopes of... something. Perhaps a deeper connection and more special relationship, maybe discounts on services or insight into the areas of the board that hobbyists aren't allowed. I don't know for certain and it ultimately doesn't matter. All that matters now is that the integrity of any information a hobbyist who shares ROS brings to the board is in doubt IMHO. They can point to the forum guidelines and quibble about the minutia, but we will never know why they're writing the reviews/intel they're writing.

I would go along with it looks like what you said above, and nobody would know if they could keep their fingers off the key board. But the need to be witty over road common sense .

[Raptorcg]

Originally Posted by enderwiggin

That's a key point and it bears repeating. Reviews for a provider are free advertisement for their services. If you don't see why protecting the integrity (such as it is... let's be honest, we all know many of the reviews here are virtually worthless) of the content of a review is valuable, then there's no point to continuing this discussion. ... All that matters now is that the integrity of any information a hobbyist who shares ROS brings to the board is in doubt IMHO.

I totally agree these are valid points, if a writer changes a planned posting because a provider urged him too after seeing it but before posting it, and they do, reviews lose their value for all. And it just becomes one large ThreAD.

I always hope personal integrity comes into play, which is probably overly optimistic when it comes too human nature.

[enderwiggin]

Despite what he probably thinks, I'm trying to help here. blowpop has been around for a long time and might have great experience or insight to offer to younger and/or new members, but you can't save people from themselves. Unfortunately, a ruling has been made and in my own personal opinion its the wrong one.

This board may be broken now. Only time and the future conduct of the members will tell. I genuinely hope I'm wrong.

[BatteriesNotIncluded]

Originally Posted by blowpop

Raptor, I always assumed the logic behind ROS secrecy was to encourage guys who were worried about provider retaliation to be honest in their reviews. We all know that leaks happen, and with the rule in place mods can deal with WKs who share information that reviewers want to have kept private.

I was surprised (OK, not all that surprised, considering his history) when tried to spin my sharing my review of the session with a provider with her into some sort of rules violation. It never occurred to me that it would be considered so on Eccie, and thus my request for clarification.

BP... Good to see you still posting after all these years. Good character shines through regardless of inane arguments. This board is truly broken, at least the Houston sections. Keep in touch.

BNI

[Wakeup]

Wait...people ACTUALLY think that the concept of ROS is meant to protect honesty from retaliation in reviews????

This place is MUCH farther down the hopeless road than I previously thought...

[oilfieldscum]

Originally Posted by Jusanotherdude

The way that I understand it is, that comments made by you are yours to share as the only infringement on private content is your own..... that being said, as soon as the info is posted it is considered PA info and if the provider then posts what she's been told then she is in violation of the guidelines and is subject to the resulting punishment. But you as the posters of the original content are not in violation...... so basically..... you telling TheCFE about the ROS is fine.... her posting about it is not......

Clear as mud?

So a fucktard can reveal anything he wants to a hooktard prior to posting it in a private area? If she posts about it then she gets the blame?

How do you mods determine which came first the chicken or the egg?

Me thincks this might make modtarding more difficult.

Originally Posted by Pistolero

Since it was obvious that JAD and I did see it a little different, I went and got the correct view. And JAD is correct. I am wrong. You can give her your comments, but if she comments on it, then she is in violation.

Nothing to see here folks, move along.

From meditation, Heaven, or ???

Originally Posted by Wakeuр

You didn't read your own thread very well...

No he didn't but you can have the credit.

[tracer]

Originally Posted by Jusanotherdude

The way that I understand it is, that comments made by you are yours to share as the only infringement on private content is your own..... that being said, as soon as the info is posted it is considered PA info and if the provider then posts what she's been told then she is in violation of the guidelines and is subject to the resulting punishment. But you as the posters of the original content are not in violation...... so basically..... you telling TheCFE about the ROS is fine.... her posting about it is not......

Clear as mud?

Clear as day.

Making a mental note that on at least one occasion I agreed with JaD. I respect Ender's opinion, but have to disagree with his take on this one.

[Seedy]

I agree with ender for what it is worth, no sense in having ros, or private comments if this is allowed. Of course wk's will keep on doing their thing. Without a strict ruling, there is way too much wiggle room on this. It is bullshit.

[Sarunga]

Originally Posted by Wakeuр

You didn't read your own thread very well...

He probably did....but you probably didn't read his mind very well.

Originally Posted by enderwiggin

Despite what he probably thinks, I'm trying to help here. blowpop has been around for a long time and might have great experience or insight to offer to younger and/or new members, but you can't save people from themselves. Unfortunately, a ruling has been made and in my own personal opinion its the wrong one.

That's pretty clear....even without you trying to convince us.

[yardbird74]

[Wayward]

Originally Posted by Jusanotherdude

The way that I understand it is, that comments made by you are yours to share as the only infringement on private content is your own..... that being said, as soon as the info is posted it is considered PA info and if the provider then posts what she's been told then she is in violation of the guidelines and is subject to the resulting punishment. But you as the posters of the original content are not in violation...... so basically..... you telling TheCFE about the ROS is fine.... her posting about it is not......

Clear as mud?

Originally Posted by Pistolero

Here is my take on that.

If you post it, there are comments on the review and she wants to know what you said and you tell her, not OK. Once you post it , the PA rules apply..

But what if lets just say I had my own SHMB and I posted a review, let chicagoboy fix the puncuation and spelling, then reread my frapping good prose and made a few improvements. Then I posted the new improved version here on the ick. Could I read the orgional review to the lovely hooktard so I could get a free blowpop or is this the kind of post that has the mods thinking why won't that fucking Wayward just die already?

Yes I misspelled punctuation because it was funny.

[chicagoboy]

Originally Posted by Wayward

Yes I misspelled punctuation because it was funny.

Puncktuation would have been funnier.

[jbravo_123]

Originally Posted by Jusanotherdude

Ok..... here us my non-mod response in regards to this: Why?

What Earthly good can honestly come from sharing what will be ROS /PA content with the lady FOR the lady?

Let's be honest, the chances any type of "constructive criticism " that many may argue would be reasons, would almost CERTAINLY be overly flowery and glossed over. Chances are the reviews would only be a way of making the hobbyist look better to said provider to curry favor for future visits. Which is fine for the hobbyist to be sure. But again, what are the gains for the provider? Hoe many of these "shared" reviews do think ACTUALLY contained useful to the provider info like "TCB skills need work", "breath was less than fresh/bad", "incall smelled like shit or was nasty/dirty", or something of the like? I would venture to guess pretty Damn close (if not absolutely ) zero!

Meanwhile she stands to gain points and or a ban for posting she is in the know. She gets to wear that veil of being one who t again and reacts to her reviews which may persuade others yo not review her on future visits.

Whether you and she feel she has the right to know or not, that is not how this board is setup.

People just like to have as much information about what's being said about them as possible? While some may not care, I would assume most would choose to know ROS as opposed to not know if given the option. Just like if given the option, I'm sure most dudes wouldn't turn down access to the provider-only areas of the board.

Originally Posted by enderwiggin

Despite what he probably thinks, I'm trying to help here. blowpop has been around for a long time and might have great experience or insight to offer to younger and/or new members, but you can't save people from themselves. Unfortunately, a ruling has been made and in my own personal opinion its the wrong one.

This board may be broken now. Only time and the future conduct of the members will tell. I genuinely hope I'm wrong.

I just assume providers are able to get access to ROS/ML parts of the board. However, this doesn't invalidate the review process to me. Amount of reviews and general quality of them still matter as well as the occasional "no" reviews you see. Of course, reviews should be read with the idea in mind that details are likely embellished, but that would happen regardless of ROS information truly being concealed or not.