My apologies to COG and the conspiracy folks

[IIFFOFRDB]

Originally Posted by Munchmasterman

Funny. You personally acknowledged the source I posted when I first brought this up several years ago. Now it didn't happen?
You are so much less than I would have been willing to admit.
Time to re-research the subject. Time to feed you through the posterior. Bon appetite, douche-bag.

you have been owned, munkin...


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[Munchmasterman]

Originally Posted by I B Hankering

This story is really old news, and for CNN to characterize this as somehow being "new" is unmitigated BS. Erlichmann -- the friggin' purported source for this story -- died in 1999!!! And LBJ was a paranoid jackass who fantasized that there was a conspiracy and falsely accused Nixon of collaborating with the enemy, Masterdickmuncher. RE: your Reagan lies, Masterdickmuncher, per a dim-retard Congress' findings:

You couldn't be more wrong, youbeadouche-bag.

By George F. Will Opinion writer August 6, 2014 Follow @georgewill
At about 5:15 p.m. on June 17, 1971, in the Oval Office, the president ordered a crime: “I want it implemented on a thievery basis. Goddamn it, get in and get those files. Blow the safe and get it.”
The burglary he demanded was not the one that would occur exactly one year later at the Democratic National Committee’s office in the Watergate complex. Richard Nixon was ordering a break-in at the Brookings Institution, a think tank, to seize material concerning U.S. diplomacy regarding North Vietnam during the closing weeks of the 1968 presidential campaign.
George F. Will writes a twice-weekly column on politics and domestic and foreign affairs. He began his column with The Post in 1974, and he received the Pulitzer Prize for Commentary in 1977. He is also a contributor to FOX News’ daytime and primetime programming. View Archive

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As they sometimes did regarding his intemperate commands, Nixon’s aides disregarded the one concerning Brookings. But from a White House atmosphere that licensed illegality came enough of it to destroy him.
Forty years have passed since Aug. 9, 1974, when a helicopter whisked Nixon off the White House lawn, and questions remain concerning why he became complicit in criminality. Ken Hughes has a theory.
Working at the University of Virginia, in the Miller Center’s Presidential Recording Program, Hughes has studied the Nixon tapes for more than a decade. In his new book, “Chasing Shadows: The Nixon Tapes, the Chennault Affair, and the Origins of Watergate,” Hughes argues that Nixon ordered a crime in 1971 hoping to prevent public knowledge of a crime he committed in 1968.

In October 1968, Nixon’s lead over his Democratic opponent, Vice President Hubert Humphrey, was dwindling, partly because Humphrey had proposed a halt to U.S. bombing of North Vietnam. Five days before the election, President Lyndon Johnson announced the halt, hoping to convene peace talks. One impediment, however, was South Vietnam’s reluctance to participate. Its recalcitrance reflected its hope that it would be better supported by a Nixon administration.
On July 3, 1968, a Nixon campaign aide, Dick Allen, sent a memo proposing a meeting with Nixon and Anna Chennault, a Chinese American active in Republican politics. She would bring to the meeting South Vietnam’s ambassador to Washington. The memo said the meeting must be “top secret.” Nixon wrote on the memo: “Should be but I don’t see how — with the S.S. [Secret Service].” On July 12, however, she and the ambassador did meet secretly in New York with Nixon who, she later said, designated her his “sole representative” to the Saigon government.
The National Security Agency was reading diplomatic cables sent from South Vietnam’s Washington embassy to Saigon, where the CIA had a listening device in the office of South Vietnam’s president. The FBI was wiretapping South Vietnam’s embassy and monitoring Chennault’s movements in Washington, including her visit to that embassy on Oct. 30.
On Nov. 2 at 8:34 p.m., a teleprinter at Johnson’s ranch delivered an FBI report on the embassy wiretap: Chennault had told South Vietnam’s ambassador “she had received a message from her boss (not further identified). . . . She said the message was that the ambassador is to ‘hold on, we are gonna win.’ ” The Logan Act of 1799 makes it a crime for a private U.S. citizen, which Nixon then was, to interfere with U.S. government diplomatic negotiations.

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Yes, Nixon Scuttled the Vietnam Peace Talks
It’s been rumored for years. Now we have real proof.
By John Aloysius Farrell
June 09, 2014


.cms-textAlign-left{text-align:left;}.cms-textAlign-center{text-align:center;}.cms-textAlign-right{text-align:right;}.cms-magazineStyles-smallCaps{font-variant:small-caps;}Did Richard Nixon’s campaign conspire to scuttle the Vietnam War peace talks on the eve of the 1968 election to capture him the presidency?
Absolutely, says Tom Charles Huston, the author of a comprehensive, still-secret report he prepared as a White House aide to Nixon. In one of 10 oral histories conducted by the National Archives and opened last week, Huston says “there is no question” that Nixon campaign aides sent a message to the South Vietnamese government, promising better terms if it obstructed the talks, and helped Nixon get elected.
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Nixon’s campaign manager, John Mitchell, “was directly involved,” Huston tells interviewer Timothy Naftali. And while “there is no evidence that I found” that Nixon participated, it is “inconceivable to me,” says Huston, that Mitchell “acted on his own initiative.”
Huston’s comments—transcribed and publishedon the web site of the Richard Nixon Presidential Library in Yorba Linda, California on Wednesday—are the latest twist in a longstanding tale of political skullduggery involving Nixon and his predecessor, Lyndon Johnson. It is a tale that features a secret “X-file,” a mysterious “Dragon Lady” and reports of wiretaps and bugging that has captured the imagination of scholars and conspiracy theorists for half a century.
Like many of Nixon’s actions, this particular transgression was born of paranoia. As the 1968 election approached, Nixon and his aides feared that Johnson would try to help the Democratic nominee—Vice President Hubert Humphrey—by staging an October surprise. When LBJ announced to the nation, just days before the balloting, that he was calling a halt in the bombing of North Vietnam to help fuel progress in ongoing peace talks, the Republicans thought their fears were realized.
Anna Chennault, a Republican activist with ties to the South Vietnamese government, sent word to Saigon that it would get better terms if Humphrey lost and Nixon took office, the FBI would discover. The South Vietnamese dragged their feet, infuriating LBJ who, in a taped conversation released by the Johnson presidential library several years ago, can be heard denouncing Nixon for “treason.”
LBJ ordered the FBI to put Chennault under surveillance and, according to documents at the Johnson library, tracked the machinations of the “Dragon Lady”(as Nixon called her) via intercepted communications at the South Vietnamese embassy. After Nixon won, FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover told the new president that Johnson had ordered Nixon’s campaign planes bugged as well.
Once in office, Nixon ordered his staff to investigate the bombing halt and the allegation his campaign had been bugged. Huston, a dedicated and resourceful young conservative who had worked on the 1968 campaign before joining the White House as a presidential aide, was given the job. But his investigation, and the report he delivered to White House chief of staff H. R. Haldeman in 1970, found that both presidents had cause for embarrassment: LBJ for the surveillance of a presidential candidate from the other party, and Nixon for the role that his campaign played in derailing the peace talks.
Neither side wanted to push the issue. “I think there was an implicit understanding between two very politically sophisticated people, who had been in the arena for a very long time, to say ‘Hey, look, this thing is over, you know, neither one of us are going to gain anything by stirring up this pot,’” Huston says.
Rumors about the high-level intrigue surfaced in Washington and, over the years, bits and pieces of the tale have showed up in books and media accounts.
But there was never any official confirmation The Huston report on the bombing halt has still not been released by the National Archives—though we now can guess, from his oral history, what he discovered. The Johnson White House papers alleging Nixon’s involvement—contained in a so-called “X” file at the Johnson library—have dribbled out since 1995, when the first declassified documents on the topic were released. (The White House tape in which Johnson brands Nixon’s actions as treasonous was opened by the Johnson library in 2008.)










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The Lyndon Johnson tapes: Richard Nixon's 'treason'

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Declassified tapes of President Lyndon Johnson's telephone calls provide a fresh insight into his world. Among the revelations - he planned a dramatic entry into the 1968 Democratic Convention to re-join the presidential race. And he caught Richard Nixon sabotaging the Vietnam peace talks... but said nothing.
After the Watergate scandal taught Richard Nixon the consequences of recording White House conversations none of his successors has dared to do it. But Nixon wasn't the first.
He got the idea from his predecessor Lyndon Johnson, who felt there was an obligation to allow historians to eventually eavesdrop on his presidency.
"They will provide history with the bark off," Johnson told his wife, Lady Bird.
The final batch of tapes released by the LBJ library covers 1968, and allows us to hear Johnson's private conversations as his Democratic Party tore itself apart over the question of Vietnam.


Charles Wheeler

• Charles Wheeler was the BBC's Washington correspondent from 1965 to 1973
• He learned in 1994 that LBJ had evidence of Richard Nixon's sabotage of the Vietnam peace talks, and interviewed key Johnson staff
• Wheeler died in 2008, the same year the LBJ tapes were declassified
• David Taylor was his Washington-based producer for many years

Archive on 4: Wheeler - The final word

The 1968 convention, held in Chicago, was a complete shambles.
Tens of thousands of anti-war protesters clashed with Mayor Richard Daley's police, determined to force the party to reject Johnson's Vietnam war strategy.
As they taunted the police with cries of "The whole world is watching!" one man in particular was watching very closely.
Lyndon Baines Johnson was at his ranch in Texas, having announced five months earlier that he wouldn't seek a second term.
The president was appalled at the violence and although many of his staff sided with the students, and told the president the police were responsible for "disgusting abuse of police power," Johnson picked up the phone, ordered the dictabelt machine to start recording and congratulated Mayor Daley for his handling of the protest.
The president feared the convention delegates were about to reject his war policy and his chosen successor, Hubert Humphrey.
So he placed a series of calls to his staff at the convention to outline an astonishing plan. He planned to leave Texas and fly into Chicago.
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Media captionLyndon Johnson discusses with an aide if Chicago's Mayor Richard Daley can help him make a comeback at the conventionHe would then enter the convention and announce he was putting his name forward as a candidate for a second term.
It would have transformed the 1968 election. His advisers were sworn to secrecy and even Lady Bird did not know what her husband was considering.
On the White House tapes we learn that Johnson wanted to know from Daley how many delegates would support his candidacy. LBJ only wanted to get back into the race if Daley could guarantee the party would fall in line behind him.
They also discussed whether the president's helicopter, Marine One, could land on top of the Hilton Hotel to avoid the anti-war protesters.
Daley assured him enough delegates would support his nomination but the plan was shelved after the Secret Service warned the president they could not guarantee his safety.
The idea that Johnson might have been the candidate, and not Hubert Humphrey, is just one of the many secrets contained on the White House tapes.
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Media captionLyndon B Johnson: 'Our friend, the Republican nominee... has been playing... with our enemies and our allies'They also shed light on a scandal that, if it had been known at the time, would have sunk the candidacy of Republican presidential nominee, Richard Nixon.
By the time of the election in November 1968, LBJ had evidence Nixon had sabotaged the Vietnam war peace talks - or, as he put it, that Nixon was guilty of treason and had "blood on his hands".
The BBC's former Washington correspondent Charles Wheeler learned of this in 1994 and conducted a series of interviews with key Johnson staff, such as defence secretary Clark Clifford, and national security adviser Walt Rostow.
We now know...

• After the Viet Cong's Tet offensive, White House doves persuaded Johnson to end the war
• Johnson loathed Senator Bobby Kennedy but the tapes show he was genuinely devastated by his assassination
• He feared vice-president Hubert Humphrey would go soft on Vietnam if elected president
• The BBC's Charles Wheeler would have been under FBI surveillance when he met administration officials in 1968
• In 1971 Nixon made huge efforts to find a file containing everything Johnson knew in 1968 about Nixon's skulduggery

But by the time the tapes were declassified in 2008 all the main protagonists had died, including Wheeler.
Now, for the first time, the whole story can be told.
It begins in the summer of 1968. Nixon feared a breakthrough at the Paris Peace talks designed to find a negotiated settlement to the Vietnam war, and he knew this would derail his campaign.
He therefore set up a clandestine back-channel involving Anna Chennault, a senior campaign adviser.
At a July meeting in Nixon's New York apartment, the South Vietnamese ambassador was told Chennault represented Nixon and spoke for the campaign. If any message needed to be passed to the South Vietnamese president, Nguyen Van Thieu, it would come via Chennault.
In late October 1968 there were major concessions from Hanoi which promised to allow meaningful talks to get underway in Paris - concessions that would justify Johnson calling for a complete bombing halt of North Vietnam. This was exactly what Nixon feared.
Image caption The Paris peace talks may have ended years earlier, if it had not been for Nixon's subterfuge Chennault was despatched to the South Vietnamese embassy with a clear message: the South Vietnamese government should withdraw from the talks, refuse to deal with Johnson, and if Nixon was elected, they would get a much better deal.
So on the eve of his planned announcement of a halt to the bombing, Johnson learned the South Vietnamese were pulling out.
He was also told why. The FBI had bugged the ambassador's phone and a transcripts of Anna Chennault's calls were sent to the White House. In one conversation she tells the ambassador to "just hang on through election".
Johnson was told by Defence Secretary Clifford that the interference was illegal and threatened the chance for peace.
Image caption Nixon went on to become president and eventually signed a Vietnam peace deal in 1973 In a series of remarkable White House recordings we can hear Johnson's reaction to the news.
In one call to Senator Richard Russell he says: "We have found that our friend, the Republican nominee, our California friend, has been playing on the outskirts with our enemies and our friends both, he has been doing it through rather subterranean sources. Mrs Chennault is warning the South Vietnamese not to get pulled into this Johnson move."
He orders the Nixon campaign to be placed under FBI surveillance and demands to know if Nixon is personally involved.
When he became convinced it was being orchestrated by the Republican candidate, the president called Senator Everett Dirksen, the Republican leader in the Senate to get a message to Nixon.
The president knew what was going on, Nixon should back off and the subterfuge amounted to treason.
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Media captionPresident Lyndon B Johnson: How can we survive as a nation and face lies from the press?Publicly Nixon was suggesting he had no idea why the South Vietnamese withdrew from the talks. He even offered to travel to Saigon to get them back to the negotiating table.
Johnson felt it was the ultimate expression of political hypocrisy but in calls recorded with Clifford they express the fear that going public would require revealing the FBI were bugging the ambassador's phone and the National Security Agency (NSA) was intercepting his communications with Saigon.
So they decided to say nothing.
The president did let Humphrey know and gave him enough information to sink his opponent. But by then, a few days from the election, Humphrey had been told he had closed the gap with Nixon and would win the presidency. So Humphrey decided it would be too disruptive to the country to accuse the Republicans of treason, if the Democrats were going to win anyway.
Nixon ended his campaign by suggesting the administration war policy was in shambles. They couldn't even get the South Vietnamese to the negotiating table.
He won by less than 1% of the popular vote.
Once in office he escalated the war into Laos and Cambodia, with the loss of an additional 22,000 American lives - quite apart from the lives of the Laotians, Cambodians and Vietnamese caught up in the new offensives - before finally settling for a peace agreement in 1973 that was within grasp in 1968.
The White House tapes, combined with Wheeler's interviews with key White House personnel, provide an unprecedented insight into how Johnson handled a series of crises that rocked his presidency. Sadly, we will never have that sort of insight again.
Listen to the Archive On 4 programme: Wheeler: The Final Word, on BBC Radio 4 at 20.00 GMT on Saturday or for seven days afterwards on the BBC iPlayer.

[Munchmasterman]

Originally Posted by IIFFOFRDB

you have been owned, munkin...


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Not even. He's been schooled and then expelled for repetition. Since he's mine to give, you take his nasty assed self.

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by Munchmasterman

Funny. You personally acknowledged the source I posted when I first brought this up several years ago. Now it didn't happen?
You are so much less than I would have been willing to admit.
Time to re-research the subject. Time to feed you through the posterior. Bon appetite, douche-bag.

Lien-Hang T. Nguyen, professor of history at the University of Kentucky, in her book, Hanoi’s War: An International History of the War for Peace in Vietnam, gives a less biased and thoroughly better analysis of what actually happened, Masterdickmuncher. Nguyen pointedly states that as long as Lê Duẩn was North Vietnam's General Secretary and Nguyễn Văn Thiệu was president of South Vietnam, there was no chance for peace in 1968, Masterdickmuncher; hence, nothing was "scuttled" or "sabotaged", and there was no "treason".

Originally Posted by Munchmasterman;10Masterdickmun cher57954819

You couldn't be more wrong, youbeadouche-bag. [/SIZE]

But history proves you are quite wrong, Masterdickmuncher. The Paris Peace talks began in January 1968; thus, disproving your nutty conspiracy notion that Nixon sabotaged them and prevented them from happening, Masterdickmuncher.

Originally Posted by Munchmasterman

Not even. He's been schooled and then expelled for repetition. Since he's mine to give, you take his nasty assed self.

Go screw yourself, Masterdickmuncher.

[JD Barleycorn]

You've just hit the nail on the head, there was no real chance for anything of substance to come out of the Peace Talks unless it lead to a North Vietnamese victory. Any other theories it is just liberal fantasy. You can't sabotage something (if that's true) that is not going to happen. Ehrlichman is not the best source for anything. Addiction problems, desire to not go to jail, and wanting to escape historical blame for actions he committed are a big inducement to lie. The only time that North Vietnam came close to real negoiation was during the 24/7 bombing campaign which made it look like the US was finally taking victory seriously....until it was halted by threatened congressional action (with democrats in control). I have heard (if you take your conspiracy theories seriously as Munchkin does) that members of the democrat caucus had direct access to some North Vietnamese and Soviet leaders. The wish of their masters was their commands.

[Munchmasterman]

Originally Posted by I B Hankering

Lien-Hang T. Nguyen, professor of history at the University of Kentucky, in her book, Hanoi’s War: An International History of the War for Peace in Vietnam, gives a less biased and thoroughly better analysis of what actually happened, Masterdickmuncher. Nguyen pointedly states that as long as Lê Duẩn was North Vietnam's General Secretary and Nguyễn Văn Thiệu was president of South Vietnam, there was no chance for peace in 1968, Masterdickmuncher; hence, nothing was "scuttled" or "sabotaged", and there was no "treason".



But history proves you are quite wrong, Masterdickmuncher. The Paris Peace talks began in January 1968; thus, disproving your nutty conspiracy notion that Nixon sabotaged them and prevented them from happening, Masterdickmuncher.



Go screw yourself, Masterdickmuncher.

3 separate sources, all very credible, say you suck cock. As usual.

[Munchmasterman]

Originally Posted by JD Barleycorn

You've just hit the nail on the head, there was no real chance for anything of substance to come out of the Peace Talks unless it lead to a North Vietnamese victory. Any other theories it is just liberal fantasy. You can't sabotage something (if that's true) that is not going to happen. Ehrlichman is not the best source for anything. Addiction problems, desire to not go to jail, and wanting to escape historical blame for actions he committed are a big inducement to lie. The only time that North Vietnam came close to real negoiation was during the 24/7 bombing campaign which made it look like the US was finally taking victory seriously....until it was halted by threatened congressional action (with democrats in control). I have heard (if you take your conspiracy theories seriously as Munchkin does) that members of the democrat caucus had direct access to some North Vietnamese and Soviet leaders. The wish of their masters was their commands.

That isn't what 3 credible sources, George Will included, say.
You either didn't read all of those long multi-syllable words or you're just plain wrong as usual.

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by Munchmasterman

That isn't what 3 credible sources, George Will included, say.
You either didn't read all of those long multi-syllable words or you're just plain wrong as usual.

George Will was doing a fuckin' book review on a book by an author with a bias, Masterdickmuncher.

Originally Posted by Munchmasterman

3 separate sources, all very credible, say you suck cock. As usual.

And none of your sources include an informed analysis of actions by and positions held by either the North or South Vietnamese governments, Masterdickmuncher.

[Yssup Rider]

Masterdickmuncher?

Quite the creative writer, aren't you, IBIdiot.

That's just another reason why you were named the very first (and still the greatest? Dipshit of the Year.

MM proved his point beyond a shadow of a doubt. But your love for Nixon (like slavery) trumps all reason.

You lose again idiot.

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

Masterdickmuncher?

Quite the creative writer, aren't you, IBIdiot.

That's just another reason why you were named the very first (and still the greatest? Dipshit of the Year.

MM proved his point beyond a shadow of a doubt. But your love for Nixon (like slavery) trumps all reason.

You lose again idiot.

There's at least a pair of Nguyens who dispute Masterdickmuncher, et al's spin and at least three DOTY polls that repudiate your lie, you Mussulman-luvin, Hitler worshipping, lying, hypocritical, racist, cum-gobbling golem fucktard, HDDB, DEM.

[lustylad]

Originally Posted by Munchmasterman

I am truly sickened... Nixon had negotiated with the north Viet Namese before he was president under mining the on going negotiations. Rather than open new wounds and expose what amounted to treason (per the papers in the Johnson presidential library) by Nixon, Humphrey remained quiet for the sake of the country. A huge mistake in retrospect. Those bastards played the US.

Just one wee, wee widdle pwobwem wid your sophisticated conspiracy theory, masterdickmuncher.... if LBJ shoulda, coulda, woulda negotiated a Vietnam peace settlement in October 1968 BUT FOR the subversive machinations of Tricky Dick, then why did it take FIVE FUCKING YEARS for Nixon to git 'er done once he took office?



The North Vietnamese were notoriously intransigent negotiators. They knew how to pocket temporary bombing halts in return for vague promises of future flexibility. They were never even remotely close to a peace accord in October 1968 and you know it.

[CuteOldGuy]

Don't forget, Assup also hates the "fucking" Constitution, to which he swore an oath to preserve, protect and defend. Just another lie in an average day for our DIPSHIT EMERITUS.

[DSK]

Originally Posted by lustylad

Just one wee, wee widdle pwobwem wid your sophisticated conspiracy theory, masterdickmuncher.... if LBJ shoulda, coulda, woulda negotiated a Vietnam peace settlement in October 1968 BUT FOR the subversive machinations of Tricky Dick, then why did it take FIVE FUCKING YEARS for Nixon to git 'er done once he took office?



The North Vietnamese were notoriously intransigent negotiators. They knew how to pocket temporary bombing halts in return for vague promises of future flexibility. They were never even remotely close to a peace accord in October 1968 and you know it.

That reasoning completely shoots down Munchmidget - but he will no doubt get on here, claim victory, call someone a D-Bag, and think his stupid bullshit will hide the fact that you completely humiliated him.

[CuteOldGuy]

Both LBJ and Tricky Dick Nixon were so overwhelmingly corrupt, racist and dishonest, there's no telling what the truth was. But a lot of money was made on that war. That's the truth.

[Yssup Rider]

Originally Posted by I B Hankering

There's at least a pair of Nguyens who dispute Masterdickmuncher, et al's spin and at least three DOTY polls that repudiate your lie, you Mussulman-luvin, Hitler worshipping, lying, hypocritical, racist, cum-gobbling golem fucktard, HDDB, DEM.

Bullshit. You were the very first, IBidiot. The ORIGINAL Dipshit of the Year. The very block of fecal matter upon which this esteemed and historic tradition was built. Let's face it: Without YOU there would be no Dipshit of the Year on ECCIE.

In other words, IBIdiot, you were the original DOTY. But don't feel bad. You'll ALWAYS be Number Two to me.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAA!