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Originally Posted by Mr.looking4it
Both sides have agendas and twist everything to their favor. The democrats should not have made decision to file with Senate until they had everything they needed.
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While I sympathize with your desire to find some middle ground, the House Dem's decided that it was too important to wait for the courts to rule on Trump's claim of executive immunity.
No other president in history has made such a broad claim of immunity in providing evidence required by congressional subpoena, and it would have taken months to go through the judicial system. They felt like there was a crime in progress, and that's why they didn't wait to go forward with the impeachment articles.
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Republicans should have made deal for censoring president instead of impeachment, since agreement probably could have been made the phone call was not perfect.
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There is a proposal for censure in the Senate, but it's not likely to go anywhere. Republicans are too timid to censure Trump because of his broad popular support among his base. Nobody wants to lose their job, and while they may privately disagree with Trump's actions, they feel that they want to be around and have influence after all of this conflict fades away.
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Democrats also screwed up by starting this off saying they had open and shut case with the testimonies they had.
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House impeachment is akin to a grand jury, where enough evidence is presented to establish probable cause to prosecute. Prosecution after a grand jury doesn't require an open and shut case, and the burden of proof does not have to be beyond a reasonable doubt.
It appears to me, and apparently to a majority of the House of Representatives that we elected, that the burden of proof was sufficient to impeach. You may disagree with that, but I think that our representatives are very aware of the requirements of such an action. And if we disagree with that choice, we have the option to vote them out when they come up for re-election.
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Republicans are using senate rules the same way Democrats used their rules in House.
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Yes, they followed their own rules explicitly. However, in the last impeachment trial, they didn't block witnesses from testifying. I think that's the main reason some people are upset, because it seems like a sham trial.
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Its all political and costing millions of dollars and most are tired of it all.
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Yes, it's all political. The U.S. Constitution is all political, and it is the basis of our entire legal system. This impeachment maybe cost a lot of money, but it's a tiny amount looking at the big picture.
And yes, everyone is tired of it, but I respect the beliefs of those who felt it was necessary. I don't think they did it for political payback. I think they did it because they were concerned for our democracy and protecting our Constitution.
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There is corruption on many different levels in either influence or dollars on both sides and they talk about corruption in Ukraine. I don't care much for Trumps' statements at times but his policies for economy is working, and all i am hearing on the other side is tax, tax , tax. If they could ever get along and work together it would be great. Trump was Democrat at one time and still has views that Republicans don't like, but could create some room to negotiate. I consider myself and Independent and try to be impartial.
I would agree on censoring him, but not impeachment
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The impeachment is not about tax tax tax. Republicans do that to, they just distribute the money for different priorities. Yes, some Democrats are corrupt, and some Republicans are too. We should be united in fighting corruption wherever it exists, even if it's people we identify with. Otherwise we enable corruption to continue.
Government is supposed to serve the people, not the other way around. That's what I believe anyway.
Thanks for posting. You have a lot of good arguments, and while I may disagree with some of them, it's good to talk things out. Hope to see you back!
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