There's a new sheriff in town

[Next Best Thing]

Originally Posted by wotbaby

Muslims are reverent of Jesus. They view him as a prophet or at least someone in line with the traditions of their scriptures. Of course, they just don't view him as God or the son of God.

Beheadings happen not because Christians believe God has a son, but because Islam breeds a vicious tribalism against *anyone* who doesn't believe as they do. Not to mention the non-theological complex of actual socio-political drivers that give rise to terrorism against Westerners (US involvement in the Middle East). You know, reality.

Of course they are. Even Islamic literalists will acknowledge Jesus as a prophet who preceded Mohammed by centuries. Muslims consider many icons of other religious organizations to be prophets.

I hesitate to do this but in order to really understand the impact of 21st Century Islamist bullshit propaganda, one of the best sources of their backward rhetoric is Dabiq. Read Dabiq. It's an eye-opener because it provides both an insight into how they truly do see the world through a very special prism, as well as how sophisticated they are in their language and in their ability to put forth their message.

They absolutely hate Christians because Christians believe God has a son. This is a heresy on the order of blaspheming the pedophile warlord Mohammed.

I respect your knowledge of the subject. Most people are completely clueless and have no idea what seperates Islamists from sensible people.

[Guest072323]

Originally Posted by Next Best Thing

Most people are completely clueless and have no idea what seperates Islamists from sensible people.

[Ceremony]

I just chalk it up to a brainwashed fool willing to kill an "other", be it a Sunni or a Christian or whatever really. Cuz, they are led to believe it will get them a first class ticket to heaven.

The person or people telling these idiots this garbage. Are power hungry dicks looking for more.

[Carlos Danger]

Waking thru Jewish neighborhoods can be very unsettling, just the sound of the coins jingling reminds us what these people are capable of. Whew

[cowboy8055]

Originally Posted by Next Best Thing

Of course they are. Even Islamic literalists will acknowledge Jesus as a prophet who preceded Mohammed by centuries. Muslims consider many icons of other religious organizations to be prophets.

I hesitate to do this but in order to really understand the impact of 21st Century Islamist bullshit propaganda, one of the best sources of their backward rhetoric is Dabiq. Read Dabiq. It's an eye-opener because it provides both an insight into how they truly do see the world through a very special prism, as well as how sophisticated they are in their language and in their ability to put forth their message.

They absolutely hate Christians because Christians believe God has a son. This is a heresy on the order of blaspheming the pedophile warlord Mohammed.

I respect your knowledge of the subject. Most people are completely clueless and have no idea what seperates Islamists from sensible people.

I'd say the bigger heresy for Muslims is that Christians worship Jesus as God. That has to be more troubling to them than merely saying God had a son.

People would be surprised how many people from the Bible are in the Koran. Makes sense though since Muslims are the offspring of Abraham.

[wotbaby]

Originally Posted by wotbaby

The M.O. of the American liberal is to attack pig-headed bigotry whatever its source, and a lot of that bigotry tends to go in Islam's way. So while one can say that Islam is a relatively dangerous religion, a liberal will attach a greater weight to the dissension against Islam because in American society that dissension is in fact more prevalent and the greater immediate danger. (See for instance the hate crimes against Sikhs.) This is why there is no real confliction when a lib would defend Islam in one moment and then passionately dismantle Christianity the rest of the day.

I wrote the above on Tuesday. So y'all hear about the bar shooting that happened on Wednesday in Kansas City?

http://www.kansascity.com/news/local...4459444.html#0

An Indian man was shot and killed by a person yelling "get out of my country". He later bragged about shooting 2 "Middle Eastern men" and was apprehended. He's being charged for murder now.

The brain cells of these murderous bigots are about as plentiful as the number of farts I release in a day. And nobody even here would be foolish enough to bet money the shooter is not a Trump supporter.

[wotbaby]

Originally Posted by cowboy8055

I'd say the bigger heresy for Muslims is that Christians worship Jesus as God. That has to be more troubling to them than merely saying God had a son.

People would be surprised how many people from the Bible are in the Koran. Makes sense though since Muslims are the offspring of Abraham.

They are no more troubled by it than Christians are that Muslims believe in a false "Moon God" or a false, tyrannical, murderous, pedophillic man as a prophet. (I've lost count of the pamphlets I've seen produced by Christians reductively caricaturizing Islam in the manner that I just have -- even if it's true, it's still rather reductive!)

As an atheist, I think any spin-off of bullshit is automatically silly, as it involves more bullshit. This is why Islam is extremely stupid and Muslims have to be among the stupidest or the most brainwashed people on the planet; I'd say their inculturation and attachment to their religion runs deep. It may be typical of religious persons raised in religious environments but Islam has that something extra that safeguards it from being picked apart -- ie, swift punishment for criticism. It's tough to have a thought in a Muslim country like Saudi Arabia. I wonder how other Arab countries are able to move away from that sort of fundamentalism. I mean, I watch vlogs by rich kids in Dubai, and they may be Muslim in some sense, but zealous and anti-secular they are not.

[Next Best Thing]

Originally Posted by cowboy8055

I'd say the bigger heresy for Muslims is that Christians worship Jesus as God. That has to be more troubling to them than merely saying God had a son.

People would be surprised how many people from the Bible are in the Koran. Makes sense though since Muslims are the offspring of Abraham.

It is a blasphemy to believe that God has a son in Islam. This is not an opinion and if you need a secondary source for this just read Dabiq, and more specifically the article "Why we hate you and why we fight you".

Here's a link (relatively recent) from the Pew Research Center, who are pretty reliable or at least reliable by current standards:

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank...und-the-world/

Take particular notice of the dedication to sharia in various soveriegn nations.

There is no American or any other western equivalent to this.

The most extreme version of Christian misbehavior that we have to offer is probably the Westboro Baptist Church.

[wotbaby]

'Dabiq' is an online Isis magazine.

Muslims don't hate Jesus and the idea of Jesus being God or a son of God is probably less odious to them than the fact that Christians believe Mohammed is a false prophet.

"4. We hate you for your crimes against Islam and wage war against you to punish you for your transgressions against our religion. As long as your subjects continue to mock our faith, insult the prophets of Allah – including Noah, Abraham, Moses, Jesus, and Muhammad – burn the Quran, and openly vilify the laws of the Shari’ah, we will continue to retaliate, not with slogans and placards, but with bullets and knives."

- Dabiq, "Why We Hate You & Why We Fight You” (emphasis mine)

Muslims hate disbelievers. Period.

[Guest072323]

There's a new sheriff in town

Originally Posted by Paulwantsya

And not a moment too soon.

Time to MAGA....

Originally Posted by Next Best Thing

It is a blasphemy to believe that God has a son in Islam. This is not an opinion and if you need a secondary source for this just read Dabiq, and more specifically the article "Why we hate you and why we fight you".

Originally Posted by wotbaby

'Dabiq' is an online Isis magazine.

Muslims don't hate Jesus and the idea of Jesus being God or a son of God

Uh.... any chance you two could start your own Sharia/Muslim thread and let us get back to celebrating the new sheriff?

[jokacz]

[Next Best Thing]

Originally Posted by wotbaby

'Dabiq' is an online Isis magazine.

Muslims don't hate Jesus and the idea of Jesus being God or a son of God is probably less odious to them than the fact that Christians believe Mohammed is a false prophet.

"4. We hate you for your crimes against Islam and wage war against you to punish you for your transgressions against our religion. As long as your subjects continue to mock our faith, insult the prophets of Allah – including Noah, Abraham, Moses, Jesus, and Muhammad – burn the Quran, and openly vilify the laws of the Shari’ah, we will continue to retaliate, not with slogans and placards, but with bullets and knives."

- Dabiq, "Why We Hate You & Why We Fight You” (emphasis mine)

Muslims hate disbelievers. Period.

Clearly. This is a cut and paste frome the same article, the bolding of the first half-line is by the editor of the article:


"1. We hate you, first and foremost, because you are disbelievers; you reject the oneness of Allah – whether you realize it or not – by making partners for Him in worship, you blaspheme against Him, claiming that He has a son, you fabricate lies against His prophets and messengers, and you indulge in all manner of devilish practices. It is for this reason that we were commanded to openly declare our hatred for you and our enmity towards you."

Hate of disbelievers is elemental. The blasphemy of God having a son is a component of this. There are many many blasphemies that they have imagined.

One point I am making is that these strange people are far more dangerous than Christians.

Another is that it's hardly uncommon for them to believe in the practice of enforcing the sharia, sometimes in large numbers in countries which we not normally expect.

They have these beliefs and commit high-profile acts of terrorism on the magnitude of Paris, Nice, Orlando, and the grandaddy of them all, 9/11, for religious, not political reasons. Just read or listen to their words.

It's a hateful, dangerous ideaology.

[Next Best Thing]

Originally Posted by Paulwantsya

There's a new sheriff in town






Uh.... any chance you two could start your own Sharia/Muslim thread and let us get back to celebrating the new sheriff?

Paul showing an outstanding grasp on cause/effect again.

One of the primary reason there's a new sheriff in town is because most Americans, although clueless as to why and completely ignorant of the concept of nuance, believed Trump is both harder on Islam and also less likely to be pushed around into political correctness by the left-leaning media than Hillary, who is an opportunist and a predator.

[Next Best Thing]

Here are a few things Hillary Clinton stood/stands in favor of which would normally terribly offend traditional Democrats:

1) In favor of authorization of the Iraq war. Huge.
2) In favor of the Troubled Asset Relief Program. This is the biggie and I believe the reason quite a few Democrats favored Bernie Sanders, but were told to fuck off by the Democratic Party propaganda machine itself.
3) The Patriot Act and the Patriot Act reauthorization in 2006.

Every one of these things is a betrayal of political correctness.

Hillary also took over $20 million dollars in campaign contributions from Super PACS, and close to $40 million dollars from large donors.

Trump was in favor of all that shit I referenced up there and is a racist asshole because of it.

Hillary was in favor of the same things, and took huge amounts of campaign funds from huge lobbies, but she's an inspiration and a liberator.

Please explain this Hillary lovers.

[wotbaby]

Originally Posted by Next Best Thing

One point I am making is that these strange people are far more dangerous than Christians.

For sure, Muslims are inherently more exclusive than Christians and something about Islam (or a lot about Islam) gives way to action against disbelievers more readily than Christianity. Action against disbelievers is a large component of Islam and a visibly recurrent part of the Qu'ran.

Still, when mentioning 'Dabiq' it's necessary to highlight the fact that it's literature by and for Muslim extremists, extremists who have murdered more Muslims than they have Westerners. When it seems that Muslim extremists hate everyone, even other Muslims for pretty much everything, it's trivial to have to point out that "God has a son" is also blasphemous.

Anyway, let the Trump bashing continue...

The return of the Age of Sophism caused by Trump. Check.
"Trickle-down Racism" (Romney's words) happening after Trump's election. Check.
Confirmed agents working for Russia and Big Oil in Trump's cabinet. Check.
Trickle-down economics -- which never works -- back again. Check.

I haven't seen a more classless POTUS. Your standards are quite low, Republicans!

Oh, BTW, I do believe that the only good thing about Trump winning is Hillary not winning but it's hard for me to reconcile that because ultimately I'd have preferred (grudgingly) a slim Hillary electoral victory despite myself. Silverspoon Trump and his poor white lemming legion of high school dropouts though!