The Corrupt Ukraine Scam

[Jacuzzme]

Nothing new there. The rich never do the fighting, in Russia or anywhere else.

[berryberry]

Glenn Greenwald

Two Deeply Inconvenient Truths About Corrupt Ukraine:

1) They have no democracy of any kind.

2) Zelensky is increasingly fighting with a conscript army, as his citizens desperately flee to avoid the draft because none of them want to fight

Watch

https://twitter.com/i/status/1691845511475581228

[HDGristle]

Ukraine just got $147 million from the EU that was originally meant for Belarus and Russia.

Russia's also down 2 more generals

[tommy156]

Originally Posted by HDGristle

I'm willing to assign 5% blame to the U.S., 10% to Ukraine. The rest is Vlad. Sorry.

Yep. Anyone not assigning MOST of the blame to Putin is wrong, first and foremost - and assuming they have been paying attention from the beginning, they most certainly also have questionable morals and intentions.

[berryberry]

As expected even though the ill informed leftists have tried to pretend otherwise over and over

Zelensky Holds Court With Ukraine's Most Notorious Neo-Nazi

Western media has dismissed evidence of neo-Nazi influence in Ukraine by citing President Zelensky’s Jewish heritage. But new footage published by Zelensky shows the leader openly collaborating with a fascist ideologue who once pledged to “lead the white races of the world in a final crusade…against Semite-led Untermenschen.”

Ukrainian President Vlodymyr Zelensky has uploaded a video to his Telegram channel showing him holding court with one of the most notorious neo-Nazis in modern Ukrainian history: Azov Battalion founder Andriy Biletsky.

Watch

https://twitter.com/i/status/1691162978786181121

[HDGristle]

Amazing you can't see the enemy of my enemy aspects...Or just choose not to.

[berryberry]

Even the Ukraine cheerleader are throwing in the towel on Corrupt Ukraine and their Nazis

From the co-chair of the Congressional Ukraine Caucus

[HDGristle]

Ukraine's successfully down at least 2 Ka-52's today. 1 with a MANPAD near Robotyne. That Russia's risking its limited supply and losing then is important.

That makes about 41 of the highly capable gunships since the start of the war.

[Jacuzzme]

Originally Posted by HDGristle

Amazing you can't see the enemy of my enemy aspects...Or just choose not to.

There’s no reason for Russia to be an enemy.

[HDGristle]

Ukraine disagrees

[Jacuzzme]

Because the US got involved and caused a decade of political chaos. All to get a few people rich, clearly including the Bidens. Rehoboth Beach remods and inebriated overnights with high dollar hotties at the Four Seasons come at a price.

[The_Waco_Kid]

Originally Posted by tommy156

Slava Ukraini ���� ���� ���� Heroyam slava!

This war of choice is 100% Putin's fault and bringing an end to it is 100% his responsibility. Not sure why so many in here refuse to see these simple truths, but that's on them (actually I do know why, but saying it will get me pointed).

Anyway, there is no "peaceful settlement" that involves Ukraine budging a single millimeter. Russia is illegally invading a sovereign nation. Russia, get the fuck out. Period.

Originally Posted by HDGristle

I'm willing to assign 5% blame to the U.S., 10% to Ukraine. The rest is Vlad. Sorry.

Ice age level cold, now.

As for fake asthma, yep, that's up there along with pretending to go to college and fleeing the country outright.

Thank you valued poster.

Originally Posted by tommy156

Yep. Anyone not assigning MOST of the blame to Putin is wrong, first and foremost - and assuming they have been paying attention from the beginning, they most certainly also have questionable morals and intentions.

well .. great progress here. we've gone from Russia 100% at fault to "mostly at fault". now let's work on the truth .. it was 2/3 US/NATO expansion and 1/3 Russkie Commies got pissed about it and throw in Ukraine and you have .. this.



let's be real here .. this shit goes back centuries with these peoples, russia/ukraine. about the same time, 1860's of the US civil war Czarist Russia was conquering what became Ukraine from the Ottoman Turks.



so .. someone give me a good arg on why we're really involved here? classic US regime change? how's that worked out before for the US? not so good.



so tell me why we should keep repeating this mistake?

Originally Posted by Jacuzzme

There’s no reason for Russia to be an enemy.

Originally Posted by HDGristle

Ukraine disagrees

see above .. let them disagree ... isn't that the point?

[berryberry]

Originally Posted by Jacuzzme

Because the US got involved and caused a decade of political chaos. All to get a few people rich, clearly including the Bidens. Rehoboth Beach remods and inebriated overnights with high dollar hotties at the Four Seasons come at a price.

Indeed - without US meddling to enrich Senile Biden and others, the world would not be in this situation

[Salty Again]

.... WHY hasn't President Biden not negotiated a treaty
between Russia and Ukraine already?? ... How much $$$$
money has been sent to Ukraine? ... We don't know.

#### Salty

[HDGristle]

Ukraine has gained a foothold in Robotyne.

Russia has ceded further land near Urozhaine and are withdrawing further south.

33 different attacks across the line by Russia, no substantial gains.