Unactivated gift cards

[Analeese]

Originally Posted by Unique_Carpenter

Correct.

Agree

I prefer to intentionally lose the scrabble game, and pay off the side bet with a handful of those green paper portraits of;
Who was:
That Nashville, TN prosecuting attorney, who was also the commanding General that kicked Brit azz in New Orleans at the end the War of 1812, and who also captured North Florida from the Spanish in 1817.
Yes a very slow Sunday morning quiz.

General Andrew Jackson

[Unique_Carpenter]

Originally Posted by Analeese

General Andrew Jackson

Thank you for a smile this morning Analeese.

[Analeese]

Originally Posted by Unique_Carpenter

Thank you for a smile this morning Analeese.

I didn't even have to Google it. I know my dead Presidents lol

[TinMan]

@Analeese:

She was found on BP. The ad stood out in its brevity, not the usual pimped out ad. Location was near me, which is why I reached out. I almost never pursue BP girls, so I was cautious. There was no discussion of fees or service, other than her sending me photos of visa gift cards and telling me they were of no value until they are activated.

We debated the topic for awhile before I told her I wasn't comfortable and amicably ended the conversation. If she had dropped the whole visa gift card thing and offered to meet so that we could get comfortable with one another, I would have done so. As I think more about the things mentioned in this thread, I believe the likelihood I was being set up for a scam is high enough that I doubt I'll pursue it further.

I had never encountered such a request, so this thread was very educational. Thanks to all who chimed in with their knowledge. I'm likely not the only one benefiting from this information.

[Ex-CEO]

TinMan, when I first read the words "gift card," and then read that the card being considered would not necessarily have to be "activated" from the outset, perhaps I was thinking of a different type of card; not the type generally referred to as a "gift card." What I was thinking of was instead a pre-loaded Visa card of the type that you can give someone and then load money onto by going to a secure website. The type of card parents frequently give to their college kids, etc. Sorry for the confusion.

Originally Posted by TinMan

It may be her argument is the card isn't loaded until after the session. If that's the case, wouldn't that be the same if no payment occurred or no discussion of payment? And how would handing her an empty gift card be any more advantageous than keeping the money in my pocket? And wouldn't any discussion of gifts beforehand invalidate all that in any event?

The criminal code considers that you have committed an offense if you make or accept an offer to provide a sexual service in return for cash (or anything that can be readily converted to cash), whether or not the payment is actually made. So, yes, if LE really wanted to lay the foundation for a case, any discussion of gift amounts beforehand could get you nailed.

One point I would make here is that if I thought there was any chance that a provider could be working for (or with) a law enforcement agency, I might be more - not less - uncomfortable with the idea of trying to pay her fee with any type of gift or pre-loaded card rather than with cash. That's because if anyone really wanted to make a case, they could undertake steps to seize electronic records of the card creation & activation. Very unlikely in the case of any sort of encounter you're likely to enjoy, I imagine, but it could happen. On the other hand, if by some chance she happens to get caught and questioned, it's pretty hard to establish that the cash she has in her purse was slipped into it by your hand.

Having said that, I understand there are a couple of good reasons some high-end, traveling escorts like card tender.

First, it allows them not to have to go through airports and other places with large amounts of cash. If randomly selected by the TSA for an in-depth search, it might be hard to explain away the possession of an unusual amount of cash. Additionally, possession thereof might make one a robbery target.

Second, some escorts may figure that certain clients might find it easier to use the accounts of a professional practice, an LLC, or some other entity within their control, to load cards that may then be given to the escort in return for overnight or multi-day engagements. It's not advisable to go to the teller's window and withdraw very substantial amounts of cash, as it can arouse suspicion and be reported by banks to the authorities in many instances.

TinMan, if you corresponded with this young lady on BP, I'm guessing that she is most likely not a traveling provider?

If not, it could very well simply be the case that she was reading about the use of cards on one of the escort blogs, and jumped to the conclusion that this sort of subterfuge might be a clever way to create plausible deniability. Or, she could be trying to scam you.

In any case, I'd be very cautious, which apparently is the decision you've made.

[TinMan]

She actually sent me photos of the cards instead of outright telling me what she wanted. Several said "Visa Gift Card" on the package. One said "Prepaid Visa Card". All could be loaded in amounts from $20-$500, per the packaging.

On the other question, I don't know if she's local. She didn't show photos in her ads, but did send some via text.

I've seen a number of ladies accept such cards as gifts. This was odd because she was selling the "not yet activated" part as a security measure.

[Gotyour6]

Anything exchanged for sex is an exchange for sex regardless of the value.

It holds a value to SOMEONE. She or you just made it a value.
If that is what you are trading then it is still prostitution.
You are exchanging goods for sex, period.

[goodman0422]

I contacted a girl several years ago that asked for the donation on a card. I bought the gift card, went to her location, texted from the parking lot and... She asked for the number from the card so she could verify the amount. I told her no way. I said I would come up to her room and she could verify the amount once I was there.
I never heard from her again. I doubt "she" was even there.
If it seems like a scam, it's probably a scam.

[Randall Creed]

Originally Posted by Gotyour6

Anything exchanged for sex is an exchange for sex regardless of the value.

It holds a value to SOMEONE. She or you just made it a value.
If that is what you are trading then it is still prostitution.
You are exchanging goods for sex, period.

Yeah, that's the broad brush they try to paint this activity with. It's fucking bullshit. We're adults, who consent. There's no governing morality. If there were, there wouldn't be any poor or hungry people.

Oh, you two can't fuck each other. Why?? Because you're using money.

Fuck off!!

[Gotyour6]

I agree.
I also think that you should be able to sell a kidney or lung if you want.

Not sure why we can't buy sex but meh

[TinMan]

I don't think anyone here questions the need for decriminalization, at the very least. But that's not the topic of the thread. This has been informative thus far, so please let's not take it off track.

[Randall Creed]

Originally Posted by TinMan

I don't think anyone here questions the need for decriminalization, at the very least. But that's not the topic of the thread. This has been informative thus far, so please let's not take it off track.

Sure it is. The issue is, we're trying to disguise the payment process. WHY are we disguising the payment process?? Because these governing FUCKS try to make adults consenting as painful as possible. Just another [side] step we gotta take to continue to be consenting adults.

But I digress. This is no different than money. Once the card is activated, it's spendable. It has value. There's the word, 'value'. If you use it in the process, congrats. You're now hooker and john.

[alaine]

They are ALL activated at the register when you purchase them...hence the $4.95 charge. It is of NO value at that point other than to prove you didn't shop lift the piece of plastic. ADDING the money at the cash register IE: your $200 gives it value.

Now, SOME cards DO NOT have to be REGISTERED and some do. That means once you get the card loaded with money, you still have to get on line or on the 800# and give them your name, address, phone number in order to use the card. IF it is a "RE-Loadable" card, AND they want to use it as a RE-loadable card, they will ask for SS# too.

Cards that DO NOT require registration will say "No registration required" and also say "NON-Re loadable". Also called "Vanilla". They come in both Visa and MC. These are not as easy to find anymore, but Walmart has them.

So the SCAM (I suspect) is in telling you that you were safe because you didn't have to activate it with you name or info, so you think there is no way to get the money....It's ALREADY activated when you pay for the card...once you give the person on the other end the card numbers, your money is gone. ALL they need is the credit card number, exp date etc. Even the ones that require registration can be put in anyone's name without having the card in hand. They can use the funds on the internet or transfer them to another card without you ever actually giving them the plastic (or dick).

[Guest062617]

That is odd but maybe she doesn't want to use giant stack of 20's for tuition or has some online bills to pay. The other could be she was too busy to get them herself so had u do it for her bc she needs also needs to go shopping for tanks on the dark net

[TinMan]

I learned it was the scam folks here said it would be.

How much do tanks go for on the dark net? I've always wanted a gently used Sherman.