This China shit is getting out of hand

[the_real_Barleycorn]

Given the times I all just declare that I have decided that I AM a Jewish person with European roots. I feel so much smarter than my American cousins already.

[dilbert firestorm]

I was right about Hong Kong being the hot spot but I didn't know what would set it off.

[friendly fred]

Originally Posted by the_real_Barleycorn

Given the times I all just declare that I have decided that I AM a Jewish person with European roots. I feel so much smarter than my American cousins already.

You should donate to AIPAC!

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by dilbert firestorm

I was right about Hong Kong being the hot spot but I didn't know what would set it off.

The extradition law change was probably originally Carrie Lam's idea. She's the formerly well respected chief executive of Hong Kong. The Peoples Republic of China (PRC) originally probably thought it was a fine idea.

Lam introduced the legislation because of the following,

The most immediate cause was a gruesome case involving a teenage Hong Konger, Chan Tong-kai, who murdered his pregnant girlfriend during a trip to Taiwan in 2018 and dumped her body in in a suitcase before fleeing back to Hong Kong. Chan has since admitted to the killing in a Hong Kong court, but because Hong Kong has no pre-existing extradition agreement with Taiwan, he cannot be sent to face trial for murder there. And since Hong Kong courts have no jurisdiction over crimes committed in Taiwan, Chan can’t be tried for murder here either. He has pleaded guilty to money-laundering in relation to using his girlfriend’s ATM card on his return and was sentenced to 29 months in prison.

https://qz.com/1635504/everything-yo...tradition-law/

The legislation would not only have made extradition by the PRC possible, but also many other countries in the world, including Taiwan where Chan killed his pregnant girlfriend. Right now Hong Kong only has 20 extradition treaties with other countries, although it also has legal cooperation agreements with 32 others. But I believe right now Hong Kong law specifically prohibits extradition to the PRC, and the legislation would change that.

As you probably know, Lam and the government have suspended introduction of the new legislation. Hong Kong tycoons were starting to move assets to Singapore and other places and were against this. And I suspect, because of legislation introduced by Republicans to eliminate certain trade benefits Hong Kong has with the USA, the PRC also is against it now. Supposedly the PRC can use Hong Kong as a back door to import products from the USA that it could not otherwise import, and perhaps now as a way to export goods indirectly without 25% tariffs. The Republicans' legislation would shut this down, if passed. Besides, the lack of an extradition treaty with Hong Kong hasn't stopped the PRC in the past. Once in a while they'll kidnap someone in Hong Kong and spirit him across the border.

It's very possible that Lam is the reason this legislation is now just suspended instead of being withdrawn. She's said to be very hard headed, and is passionate about this issue.

[oeb11]

Thanks Tiny.

Interesting look at the issue.

[dilbert firestorm]

hong kong has a border with china? what a weird thing to have. prolly its all for show.

don't think that stops china from arresting someone they want.


heck, china even arrest taiwanese from other countries.

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by dilbert firestorm

hong kong has a border with china? what a weird thing to have. prolly its all for show.

don't think that stops china from arresting someone they want.


heck, china even arrest taiwanese from other countries.

Dilbert, It's definitely a border. You better have a visa or you're not getting through. And if a resident and citizen of the PRC wants to move to Hong Kong it's not simple.

As to your second point, agreed:

https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/03/29...ns-kidnapping/

[dilbert firestorm]

Originally Posted by Tiny

Dilbert, It's definitely a border. You better have a visa or you're not getting through. And if a resident and citizen of the PRC wants to move to Hong Kong it's not simple.

As to your second point, agreed:

https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/03/29...ns-kidnapping/

what strange world china lives in. Hong Kong is part of China, but its not technically.

I didn't think Hong Kong autonomy meant anything when Britain turned over Hong Kong to China in the 1990's.

[bambino]

Originally Posted by Tiny

Dilbert, It's definitely a border. You better have a visa or you're not getting through. And if a resident and citizen of the PRC wants to move to Hong Kong it's not simple.

As to your second point, agreed:

https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/03/29...ns-kidnapping/

Maybe we should copy China and have real borders.

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by bambino

Maybe we should copy China and have real borders.

I agree, minus the police state

[friendly fred]

Originally Posted by bambino

Maybe we should copy China and have real borders.

That is a good idea - why don't liberals describe them as hateful?

[bambino]

Originally Posted by friendly fred

That is a good idea - why don't liberals describe them as hateful?

Because they PREFER communism.

[andymarksman]

Originally Posted by Tiny

Can somebody explain this to me:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/featu...ancer-research

The most dysfunctional part of the government, the Justice Department, is now doing its best to criminalize cancer research by people of Chinese heritage. And reading their email and talking to their neighbors and colleagues to see if they're loyal. For the woman described in the link above, they couldn't find enough to prosecute her, so leaned on some fanatic at the National Institutes of Health to threaten to withdraw government grants from M.D. Anderson unless they got rid of her.

What's next? Are we going to start throwing Chinamen in concentration camps, like we did the Japs in World War II? This is stupid. I can't think of anyone stupid enough in White House to do this except Stephen Miller, who is Joseph McCarthy reincarnated. At least he looks like McCarthy. And maybe some of the types in the Justice Department who relished going after Clinton for blow jobs and after Trump for Russian collusion.

And don't say this is like Huawei, who were stealing our technology. As the article says,

Wu's work, like a lot of the academic research now in danger of being stifled, isn't about developing patentable drugs. The mission is to reduce risk and save lives by discovering the causes of cancer. Prevention isn't a product. It isn't sellable. Or stealable.

This is collaboration on basic research, to solve problems that plague mankind. Someday China, with over a billion bright, industrious people, is going to be our equal in science. Having separate systems in place researching the same things like we did during the Cold War is stupid. We should be working together. We'll accomplish more. This is especially important in cancer research.

Seriously you're whining about the "unjust" treatments this Chinese national has suffered under the reign of a racist President and his anti-immigrant advisors? From the perspectives of his white nationalist base the damages were already done simply by allowing those "yellow commies" to study here in the first place.


https://www.pri.org/stories/2017-02-...inese-rocketry

[lustylad]

Originally Posted by dilbert firestorm

hong kong has a border with china?

When it was still the Crown Colony the border was patrolled by Gurkhas imported from Nepal.

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by andymarksman

https://www.pri.org/stories/2017-02-...inese-rocketry

Great story. If the Chinese were the threat to us that the Soviets used to be, this would have been stupider than deporting Werner von Braun to the USSR.