Waltz’s China Connection.

[TechPapi]

Originally Posted by txdot-guy

And you believe the brainwashing of the Heritage Foundation. Marxism/Socialism isn't inherently bad anymore than Capitalism is inherently good. They both have their good and bad points. It's in the implementation where you get into trouble.

Some socialized policies I think are better than what we have now. For instance socialized medicine. What they have in Canada or the UK is better than what we have here in America.

But your idea that we're going to hell in a hand basket if someone espouses some socialist ideals is just a little crazy.

Some of these righties claim to be veterans. Well, the VA is socialized medicine. Medicare/medicaid is socialized medicine. The postal service, public schools (I know they hate education), public parks, police departments, public transportation, fire protection, public infrastructure, public water...socialism.

[txdot-guy]

Originally Posted by TechPapi

Some of these righties claim to be veterans. Well, the VA is socialized medicine. Medicare/medicaid is socialized medicine. The postal service, public schools (I know they hate education), public parks, police departments, public transportation, fire protection, public infrastructure, public water...socialism.

And the capitalist system relies on all that infrastructure to thrive in our country.

[farmstud60]

Originally Posted by txdot-guy

And you believe the brainwashing of the Heritage Foundation. Marxism/Socialism isn't inherently bad anymore than Capitalism is inherently good. They both have their good and bad points. It's in the implementation where you get into trouble.

Some socialized policies I think are better than what we have now. For instance socialized medicine. What they have in Canada or the UK is better than what we have here in America.

But your idea that we're going to hell in a hand basket if someone espouses some socialist ideals is just a little crazy.

It ain’t brainwashing!!!! Cuba and Venezuela two examples of Democrat Marxist policies being voted in by the people. Just move there instead ruining another country

[txdot-guy]

Originally Posted by farmstud60

It ain’t brainwashing!!!! Cuba and Venezuela two examples of Democrat Marxist policies being voted in by the people. Just move there instead ruining another country

List of countries with universal health care.
Start Date of Universal Health Care
Australia 1975
Austria 1967
Bahrain 1957
Belgium 1945
Brunei 1958
Canada 1966
Cyprus 1980
Denmark 1973
Finland 1972
France 1974
Germany 1941
Greece 1983
Hong Kong 1993
Iceland 1990
Ireland 1977
Israel 1995
Italy 1978
Japan 1938
Kuwait 1950
Luxembourg 1973
Netherlands 1966
New Zealand 1938
Norway 1912
Portugal 1979
Singapore 1993
Slovenia 1972
South Korea 1988
Spain 1986
Sweden 1955
Switzerland 1994
United Arab Emirates 1971
United Kingdom 1948

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...al_health_care

Do you think that these countries are marxist/socialist? Have they been ruined?
I think not. Why can’t the United States do the same?

[Levianon17]

Originally Posted by TheDaliLama

30 times? That’s really weird……

He goes there for the Ming Soup, lol.

[Jackie S]

Originally Posted by txdot-guy

List of countries with universal health care.
Start Date of Universal Health Care
Australia 1975
Austria 1967
Bahrain 1957
Belgium 1945
Brunei 1958
Canada 1966
Cyprus 1980
Denmark 1973
Finland 1972
France 1974
Germany 1941
Greece 1983
Hong Kong 1993
Iceland 1990
Ireland 1977
Israel 1995
Italy 1978
Japan 1938
Kuwait 1950
Luxembourg 1973
Netherlands 1966
New Zealand 1938
Norway 1912
Portugal 1979
Singapore 1993
Slovenia 1972
South Korea 1988
Spain 1986
Sweden 1955
Switzerland 1994
United Arab Emirates 1971
United Kingdom 1948

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...al_health_care

Do you think that these countries are marxist/socialist? Have they been ruined?
I think not. Why can’t the United States do the same?

The health care system in the United States has always presented a dilemma
Most of it centers around a conflict between those that can afford the very best in health care and those that can not.

Even though I am a Veteran, I do not go to any VA facilities. I still have lingering problems in my lower legs from the injuries I sustained in Vietnam, but I can afford and have the very best health care available. Even though I am 77, I only have Medicare A, which is required by law. I do not have B or C because I have a substantial income which puts the cost of those at a rate that is even higher than my personal insurance.

With universal health care, the fear of people like me is I will not be able to get what I am willing to pay for now. There is no way the Country can afford the very best in health care for everyone, so what in all likely hood will happen is they dumb down the entire system.

Maybe this would create sort of a “black market” for healthcare.

Of course, what will really happen is the Government will set up a system much like the income tax, where those that can afford it will pay substantially more for the Government Healthcare, subsidizing those that can’t.

This is getting close to the “from each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs.”

I would be all for universal health care if the Government would guarantee I would get the same service I enjoy now at the same price I am paying now.

I guess we can discuss the insurance companies in another thread. After all, they seem to be the ones controlling health care.

[Texxan52]

As you watch Fox News just remember per their own lawyers” they are not a news channel. They are an entertainment channel. Any intelligent person would know the things they broadcast are not factual.” They paid a billion dollars for spreading false information.

[TechPapi]

Originally Posted by Jackie S

The health care system in the United States has always presented a dilemma
Most of it centers around a conflict between those that can afford the very best in health care and those that can not.

Even though I am a Veteran, I do not go to any VA facilities. I still have lingering problems in my lower legs from the injuries I sustained in Vietnam, but I can afford and have the very best health care available. Even though I am 77, I only have Medicare A, which is required by law. I do not have B or C because I have a substantial income which puts the cost of those at a rate that is even higher than my personal insurance.

With universal health care, the fear of people like me is I will not be able to get what I am willing to pay for now. There is no way the Country can afford the very best in health care for everyone, so what in all likely hood will happen is they dumb down the entire system.

Maybe this would create sort of a “black market” for healthcare.

Of course, what will really happen is the Government will set up a system much like the income tax, where those that can afford it will pay substantially more for the Government Healthcare, subsidizing those that can’t.

This is getting close to the “from each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs.”

I would be all for universal health care if the Government would guarantee I would get the same service I enjoy now at the same price I am paying now.

I guess we can discuss the insurance companies in another thread. After all, they seem to be the ones controlling health care.

The above is all true. My experience in healthcare (not as a healthcare provider) has exposed me to the severe shortcomings of our current private insurance system. It's clear that we need a better option.

As it stands currently, I've chosen a different path and gone in for concierge healthcare. I don't remember the last time I waited for an appointment. I'm fortunate that's an option for me. Most folks can't or don't want to afford that.
Friends and colleagues tell me that making a routine appointment at the VA or anywhere else can take months.


Oh well. Like you said..off topic.

[Michael8219]

Some limited form of medical care might make sense but those in Canada and UK that can afford it (and most likely other countries) come to the US and other countries to get their health care needs taken care of. Friends from Canada on waiting lists from 2 to 10 months that would be taken care of in weeks here.

Might be in favor of lowering Medicare availability to citizens who have reached 62 but then Medicare payroll tax goes from 1.45% to 1.80% or more in my opinion.

But we digress from Timmy, the Manchurian candidate. Socialism is not something we really want except in possibly in very limited application as discussed here.

[farmstud60]

Originally Posted by txdot-guy

List of countries with universal health care.
Start Date of Universal Health Care
Australia 1975
Austria 1967
Bahrain 1957
Belgium 1945
Brunei 1958
Canada 1966
Cyprus 1980
Denmark 1973
Finland 1972
France 1974
Germany 1941
Greece 1983
Hong Kong 1993
Iceland 1990
Ireland 1977
Israel 1995
Italy 1978
Japan 1938
Kuwait 1950
Luxembourg 1973
Netherlands 1966
New Zealand 1938
Norway 1912
Portugal 1979
Singapore 1993
Slovenia 1972
South Korea 1988
Spain 1986
Sweden 1955
Switzerland 1994
United Arab Emirates 1971
United Kingdom 1948

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...al_health_care

Do you think that these countries are marxist/socialist? Have they been ruined?
I think not. Why can’t the United States do the same?

Meaningless garbage comparing apples and oranges.

[farmstud60]

Originally Posted by TechPapi

The above is all true. My experience in healthcare (not as a healthcare provider) has exposed me to the severe shortcomings of our current private insurance system. It's clear that we need a better option.

As it stands currently, I've chosen a different path and gone in for concierge healthcare. I don't remember the last time I waited for an appointment. I'm fortunate that's an option for me. Most folks can't or don't want to afford that.
Friends and colleagues tell me that making a routine appointment at the VA or anywhere else can take months.


Oh well. Like you said..off topic.

Actually we really don't have much of a private health care system left. It has only gotten worse since all of the Obamacare mandates.

[TechPapi]

Originally Posted by farmstud60

Meaningless garbage comparing apples and oranges.

uh huh. Mind pointing out the apples and oranges there for us professor?

[Levianon17]

Originally Posted by Michael8219

Shared ownership of “the means of production” is socialism by folks who don’t know shit and want power. Forced Robin Hood by folks who strangle the means of production and take his/her cut.

Capitalism works.

Speed - watch this:

http://youtu.be/8aV5LodNwvM

No doubt tampon Timmy wants to implement socialism in its ugliest form.

Ronnie was a righteous dude.

[SpeedRacerXXX]

Originally Posted by Michael8219

Shared ownership of “the means of production” is socialism by folks who don’t know shit and want power. Forced Robin Hood by folks who strangle the means of production and take his/her cut.

Capitalism works.

Speed - watch this:

http://youtu.be/8aV5LodNwvM

No doubt tampon Timmy wants to implement socialism in its ugliest form.

No Democrat I know of preaches "shared ownership of the means of production". Obama was in power for 8 years. What socialistic policies did he push during those 8 years?

The countries txdot-guy listed practice "social democracy" which is much different from "socialism". A person pays higher taxes while working and gets much better benefits when retired. People in those countries retire at a much younger age than the average person in the U.S. and have more money in retirement than the average person here. Has nothing to do with strangling the means of production. And Democratic Socialism is NOT Marxism. Not even close.

Social Security is Socialism and my wife and I make over $65,000 a year from it. Many people in this country have ONLY Social Security in their golden years.

[SpeedRacerXXX]

Originally Posted by txdot-guy

And you believe the brainwashing of the Heritage Foundation. Marxism/Socialism isn't inherently bad anymore than Capitalism is inherently good. They both have their good and bad points. It's in the implementation where you get into trouble.

Some socialized policies I think are better than what we have now. For instance socialized medicine. What they have in Canada or the UK is better than what we have here in America.

But your idea that we're going to hell in a hand basket if someone espouses some socialist ideals is just a little crazy.

As I said farmstud is totally clueless when it comes to understanding the differences between different political philosophies.