The future of the hobby

[str8.2.bbbj]

It's going to happen bro because it's always been part of any civilization. The first thing civilized people do is make liquor and get hookers.

We're in an age when a lot of the shackles are coming off. People distrust the govt to the point that even municipalities are taking a stand against federal regulations. Prostitution isn't an issue to people UNLESS it's forced and underage. That's where the shit gets hairy. Plus, governments don't have the money in reality to spend time chasing hookers and johns to lock them up.

Someone will write a best selling book and smooth it over in the minds of people. It will be an unknown book; but because it will drive the religious nuts crazy, it'll pick up steam (see "The Last Temptation of Christ", "Jesus Christ Superstar", and "Noah") and the minds of people will change.

[pyramider]

Originally Posted by modus

I posted in the sandbox about a pilot program in Compton where police planes are record six hour blocks for 25 square miles. It can track pedestrians and vehicles. When combined with traffic cameras the police can track the coming and going of every citizen. Big brother is here.

Big Brother has been around a long time.

[Guest092216]

Maybe some sort of related campaign like the recent mainstream focus on Ashley Madison and the recent stories about "professional cuddlers". Lol. The premise is exactly the same as P4P - except that reputable providers are more concerned with discretion than RW players who tend to get too emotionally invested and end up causing more damage in the long run. Think of it this way: for every woman who truly fucks men NSA without expecting anything from him in return there is a man who will give everything he has to a woman and expect nothing from her in return. Lol

Eventually more men and women are gonna realize what many here already know: that the objective investment of money for time is the most practical option. Ya we are definitely seeing a glimmer of tolerance for P4P but how fast that happens really depends on those already engaged in the lifestyle.

If a bunch of sketchy-ass rehab rejects were jonesing on the capitol hill trying to push for medical m***juana then it would still be illegal. No question. The m***juana supporters put their foot forward, sold a socially acceptable "feel good" concept to the media and the rest is history.

But like Modus pointed out a week or so ago with the google cams and big brother issue, how does that effect the hobby? Is it a good thing? Will you guys all be looking for providers based on a gps system someday? Would that freak you out? Will we all end up needing some kind of real alternate identity to hobby under if legalization doesn't catch up to technology?

Wow! Late night ramblings. Haha. Ok good night.

Thank you for the thoughful and interesting responses so far. It seems so close but so far away. Lol

[Glenn Quagmire]

If it gets legalized, then they will tax the shit out of pussy and create a barrier of entry that will sustain a black market.

Taxes, regulations, registrations, more fees... The girls would wind up getting less to do it legally.

And when you visit the clinic to get checked, are they gonna stamp your ass with an inspection date like the FDA?

I know a couple of Indy girls that have gone to Nevada to work for the famous Dennis Hoff and come home a month or less later and said they could have made that little staying right here. Apparently, you have to pay your "rent" which includes your food, a lot of other shit you have to "buy" from the house, fines for all kinds of shit, plus the house cut... None of them said it was worth it.

Go after the real pimps, the traffickers, and get help to the underage girls. I know the amp guys love the Asian service they get, but to deny the bulk of them aren't victims of trafficking is looking at it through rose colored lenses.

time for coffee...

[TinMan]

I don't see a lobby for legalization like we've had for years with certain other once-illegal items. You have to get money behind the effort before that can happen.

So, I think it will still be illegal, but enforcement will be selective. If you read the DMN yesterday, you'll see our local vice unit is already modifying its approach by measuring success differently. Instead of focusing on how many hookers and johns they can bust, they're looking at how many abused women and children they can save.

I find that interesting since there are a lot of folks here who have been saying the same thing: stop spending time worrying about adult independent providers who are making conscious decisions on their own behalf, and go find the leeches that prey on women of all ages.

Here is the article for those that are interested. It looks like it could have been written by a member of this community.

[TinMan]

Oops. Wrong thread!

[Guest092216]

Edit: I posted that before I read what you posted Tinman. Definitely an interesting shift. Gonna go read the article now.

Glenn, wouldn't they be taxed just like any other income? Or a self employed contractor maybe? Have to carry special insurance and receive routine testing or training like healthcare workers do. Idk.

Perhaps agencies and studios would be taxed more but in many areas where prostitution is legal, managing remains illegal, which encourages independence.

And here is where the technology comes in. Take my circumstances for instance, I would have never entered this life had it not been for the internet. I would never have been in a situation where I walked a stroll, worked as a dancer or otherwise been introduced to this life. My circumstances are somewhat unique to others but I think if more mainstream women had the opportunity to do it they would. Do you now how many single, self sufficient women would pick this up if it were a legit industry?

There is a very good reason true adult independent providers are left out of every single study I have read - because the powers that be don't want anyone to know how good it really is here for us. They want to keep it looking 100% seedy and pimped and trafficked, but the technological aspect has really changed that in recent years making it accessible to an undiscovered demographic.

The same argument was made against legalizing medical m***jauna. But the opposite ended up happening. It became markedly better - by leaps and bounds! The selection and availability greatly increased and the prices didn't change very much from what it was before for a well-known strain. Actually the prices are still almost the same as they were when it was illegal. Not even with inflation.

I think the reason why girls at the bunny ranch make so little is bc of the fees of the brothel - not necessarily the state of Nevada or the county the ranch is in. Yes the ranch operating costs are bundled into the fees but if it becomes legalized in more places then competitive taxation will drive the market. Nevada can charge whatever it wants to the brothels the way things are now. Where are they gonna go right? Lol. BUT! If the brothels could moved to Colorado tomorrow for a lower tax rate you would see Nevada respond with a competitive rate as well. Would the bunny ranch lower its fees to the ladies working there? Not at first but when the new "unicorn ranch" in Colorado charges their girls lower fees that reflect the lower taxes, then the bunny ranch will start losing its girls and be forced to lower their fees as well.

Gotta love low taxation the free hand.

In see what you are saying Glenn, but my libertarian, capatalist mind can't see it the same way. You could be right though. A lot of things you post are spot on.

[falconbueller]

Some of you ladies already know, I started my hobby adventure Down Under. So I blame them for my problems...lol

However, it is legal there and it took me a bit to get use to the idea. Now, there is still some social stigma there as you don't want your friends seeing you go in and out of these places. Co-workers make jokes about it or people they've seen.

They are everywhere including the suburbs across from office buildings, around the corner from residential areas, near the major hotel districts. And they are varied service levels. I started with a "rub and tug" place.

All of them are registered, pay taxes and require regular testing of the ladies. In fact, the STI levels there are comparable to the US even though there is a lot of fucking going on.

Now, what IS illegal is pimps, human trafficking, anything remotely connected to a minor, etc.

I have to believe that at SOME point the US will follow suit just like Australia or the UK (where it is also legal). We just seem slow to adopt.

Reference reads:
Australia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_Australia
UK: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostit...United_Kingdom

-FB

[Alastair]

I have to say this about the tax thing (which also goes for drugs and anything else the government sees fit to allow its citizens to do legally) - citizens have to stand against the "sin tax." People accept it because they figure it's better than not having it at all. I've heard people say that about drugs - legalize it, but regulate it and tax the hell out of it. To that I always say, why tax the hell out of it? Why give the government more than they're being asked to do?

To me this is a clear cut issue of eliminating so-called moral laws. Human trafficking and underage sex is already illegal. There is absolutely no reason at all that an exchange between 2 consenting adults, or if someone wants to gamble away all his money in a card game (or the state lottery), or get high as a kite on model airplane glue, couldn't and shouldn't happen.

Yes, the first thing the government would do is try to profit from it. That would be their motivation to start with, but once the ball gets rolling on legalizing a so-called sin, the leverage would be with the people. It would be a big mistake to allow the government to tax it higher than anything else just to get it legal, thinking we could turn the tide later once it's legal.

Anyway, just my 2 cents. I'm not an attorney nor a politician, just a staunch libertarian who is consistently confused by the American public.

[rexdutchman]

I think what happens between 2 (or more) adults is up to them , and if one gets a gift so be it. The government is into way too much now Tax s etc.

[Bob the Nailer]

I have become more libertarian in the last 10 years. I think consenting adults should be able to do what they want as long as they both agree and no one is hurt.

Personally, I think the hobby should either be legalized or ignored with the caveat of removing PIMPS and underage abuse before being legalized. If it were all legal consenting adults choosing to make this their livelihood, then I'm good, but we know that's just not the case.

I don't see a way to remove the pimps and the innocent they prey on from the ugly underbelly of our hobby. Face it, the dark side of this hobby is darker than most of us want to imagine, unless we have seen it with our own eyes.

LEO will never let up, trust me.

[Guest070818-1]

Originally Posted by thathottnurse

There have been many discussions in public and private about the changing landscape of the hobby. Once limited to specific publications and areas of town, we now have the immediacy and vast expansion of the internet. I enjoy reading about the history and present state of this industry but there is not much out there about where the hobby is going?

How do you see the hobby changing in the future with the globally and instantly connected hobby world we live in today? Like how google can locate you almost anywhere if you have gmail and haven't opted out of their Location service. It's pretty crazy. Similar in a few ways to George Orwell's Nineteen Eighty-Four or that Tom Cruise movie I can't remember the name of at the moment.

The internet has made for a safer, more informed community but it also creates a vulnerability that wasn't there before. In a big picture sense, considering the evolution of the hobby, what do you see happening as the technology keeps advancing?

Do you think we will be subject to constant public monitoring at some point in the future or will there be a shift toward the importance of privacy?

Will more public awareness and discussion cause the hobby be driven further underground or will it become more accepted such as was the case for recreational use of m***jauna?


Thank you for taking the time to read and possibly respond.

While Big Brother is alive and well, and certainly among us, I do foresee a significant increase in government surveillance of the internet. Perhaps even a separate governmental entity will be created to face the crime that has taken to the streets of cyberspace - If it isn't already here.

While, I do believe that increased presence would help with human trafficking, I also believe that more people will finally come to knowledge about the sex industry in America (and hopefully) make efforts to legalize, or if not, decriminalize an increasingly popular industry.

The internet has made it possible for women to escort within the comfort and safety behind closed doors without having to take the streets or cause public lawlessness. But then again, escorts don't exist on the internet. It is all fantasy, thin air, and circuit boards.

But then again, with the invention of Google Glass - The internet as we know it will be start to merge with reality.



Imagine the possibilities if you were able to visually determine if an unsuspecting woman in public was a provider because she had an substantial online presence . . . It would be interesting and maybe even make a case for prosecution.

[Guest092216]

Great info! The DMN article and the wiki links illustrating two civilized countries with legalized prostitution are interesting. With the LE shift away from prosecuting the act of exchanging sex for money and playing more of a "rescue" roll, the reality of basic p4p legalization may be somewhere on the horizon. Notably, Australia and the UK both recognize that those who profit off the prostitution of others are still committing a crime (i.e. pimping can and is still illegal in some hobby-friendly countries).

I think it will end up being legal precisely bc of the DMN story highlighting LE shifting it's focus. I see it as a sign of things to come. Fingers crossed!

No I don't agree with a sin tax either. If it were up to me I would have followed the Forbes model, done away with the current IRS and based taxes solely on consumption. Pay on what you consume: buy a bigger house - pay a higher tax; spend more at the mall that day - pay more taxes; buy a bigger boat - pay a higher tax. Let everyone keep what they make and only pay taxes on what they buy. No bullshit. Simple.

BSB, thanks for bringing it back on track, ya Google glass is getting to be really controversial. Maybe it will be one of the boomerang factors that draws us back to the importance of privacy again. I really hope so!!

I really enjoy reading everyone's take on this. I'm glad I'm not the only one thinking about it

[ElisabethWhispers]

Originally Posted by Glenn Quagmire

If it gets legalized, then they will tax the shit out of pussy and create a barrier of entry that will sustain a black market.

Taxes, regulations, registrations, more fees... The girls would wind up getting less to do it legally.

And when you visit the clinic to get checked, are they gonna stamp your ass with an inspection date like the FDA?

I know a couple of Indy girls that have gone to Nevada to work for the famous Dennis Hoff and come home a month or less later and said they could have made that little staying right here. Apparently, you have to pay your "rent" which includes your food, a lot of other shit you have to "buy" from the house, fines for all kinds of shit, plus the house cut... None of them said it was worth it.

Go after the real pimps, the traffickers, and get help to the underage girls. I know the amp guys love the Asian service they get, but to deny the bulk of them aren't victims of trafficking is looking at it through rose colored lenses.

time for coffee...

Perfect. I'll write more later but we do NOT want legalization. We want this to be decriminalized. If it's made legal, I will still be a frigging criminal because I'm not signing paperwork and getting a license to sell what I do.

Decrim. Decrim. Decrim. Get that into your psyche.

Loved what I read above. So true.

And think of the advantages of "this" being decriminalized. I have more to say about the recent changes going on with this demimonde but a lot of it isn't positive and well, I don't feel like hashing out some of my stronger viewpoints at this time.

But I will at some point!

[doug_dfw]

Future of the Hobby- unrestricted. Will thrive as long as life survives on earth. Rapid turn over. Technology will provide stronger security for both sides. And perhaps new erotica. Only industry I have observed that has no horizon. I will check in a couple of centuries down the road to see how accurate my forecast is or has been.