Senator Mc Sally said me too.

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by dilbert firestorm

tail hook scandal?

That would be Navy. The Air Force isn't known to be landing on pitching postage stamps in the middle of the ocean where they need arresting cables.

[the_real_Barleycorn]

Originally Posted by themystic

I can appreciate what you are saying Barley. What would be the best course of action in your opinion?

That is up to the senator. In a he said-she said situation the advantage goes to the senior person. Proof, witnesses, or a confession are the only way to change the balance.

[bamscram]

Originally Posted by TheDaliLama

I can only imagine how you feel. Did it hurt?

You are suffering from a bad case of the dumb ass, seek help.

[grean]

Originally Posted by the_real_Barleycorn

It would be a difficult prosecution without physical evidence or a witness. It is a court martial offense to accuse a superior officer of a crime even if it is the truth. You have to prove your case and then have to show that crime was so heinous that the accuser is forgiven for making the charge. Think of something less than rape, the public charge damages the reputation of the service and makes it difficult for the senior officer to perform their duties. The accused has a presumption of innocence. It's a lot different from TV.

As a society, we need to make it much more acceptable to come forward immediately for all rape victims.

They should be unafraid to call the police and go directly to the hospital for an examination and collection of evidence.

As it is, the embarrassment, fear of.... everything, after that is so great, it's understandably difficult for many to come forward.

We shall see what happens in the senator's case. How many years ago was it? I think it would be very difficult, shy of a confession, to prosecute.

[gnadfly]

https://www.thedailybeast.com/38-men...itary-each-day

While most of the fire from the public and Congress directed at the military addresses women who are sexually assaulted, more than half of victims are male. According to the Pentagon, 38 military men are sexually assaulted every single day, and because of the stigma, culprits nearly always go free because the survivors don’t want to speak. As one Veterans Affairs psychologist notes, "One of the myths is that the perpetrators identify as gay, which is by and large not the case. It's not about the sex. It's about power and control."

I don't know what the statute of limitations are, but they'd be inundated.

[themystic]

Originally Posted by gnadfly

https://www.thedailybeast.com/38-men...itary-each-day

While most of the fire from the public and Congress directed at the military addresses women who are sexually assaulted, more than half of victims are male. According to the Pentagon, 38 military men are sexually assaulted every single day, and because of the stigma, culprits nearly always go free because the survivors don’t want to speak. As one Veterans Affairs psychologist notes, "One of the myths is that the perpetrators identify as gay, which is by and large not the case. It's not about the sex. It's about power and control."

I don't know what the statute of limitations are, but they'd be inundated.

That's todays Military under Trump. No wonder they lose every war

[themystic]

Originally Posted by the_real_Barleycorn

That is up to the senator. In a he said-she said situation the advantage goes to the senior person. Proof, witnesses, or a confession are the only way to change the balance.

agreed. its just like the cops. police killing blacks and unarmed people is declining. maybe this will decline to

[oeb11]

Originally Posted by grean

As a society, we need to make it much more acceptable to come forward immediately for all rape victims.

They should be unafraid to call the police and go directly to the hospital for an examination and collection of evidence.

As it is, the embarrassment, fear of.... everything, after that is so great, it's understandably difficult for many to come forward.

We shall see what happens in the senator's case. How many years ago was it? I think it would be very difficult, shy of a confession, to prosecute.

Well put, Grean.

[Jackie S]

Here is my point.

The Military is a closed society. The Government has records of every single person who serves.

They know exactly who was on active duty when the Senator was raped. They know every Commisioned Officer who was active when she was.

To break it down further, she said “superior officer”. That means they know her rank at the time of infraction. So that narrows the field down even further.

Then, they could ascertain info on any of this limited number of Commisioned Officers who could have possibly been in any proximity of the Senator at the time of the rape.

This narrows it down to what seemed like a large number of potential suspects to a reasonably manageable number to question.

This is serious. She has accused, in open debate on the floor of the United States Senate, a Commissioned Officer in the Armed Forces of the United States of raping her. That is a 1st degree felony. Period.

The Military now has the resonsibility to find out who.

[oeb11]

JS - would that investigation and prosecution require the active participation of Sen McSally?
I am no expert on the UCMJ.

[the_real_Barleycorn]

Originally Posted by themystic

That's todays Military under Trump. No wonder they lose every war

Trump hasn't been in office long enough to affect major changes in the military. By the way, congress makes the rules that the military lives under. No, you're going to have to back to the previous guy to find fault. Where was the healing under Obama? The government prosecuted a lot of soldiers for killing the enemy under Obama. The government prosecuted some sailors for espionage (but not Hillary) under Obama. The government prosecuted a lot of men for doing stupid stuff overseas under Obama. Didn't hear about a lot of sex crime prosecutions under Obama. Nope, not too many at all. Guess it was out of respect for Bill and Hillary.

[the_real_Barleycorn]

Originally Posted by Jackie S

Here is my point.

The Military is a closed society. The Government has records of every single person who serves.

They know exactly who was on active duty when the Senator was raped. They know every Commisioned Officer who was active when she was.

To break it down further, she said “superior officer”. That means they know her rank at the time of infraction. So that narrows the field down even further.

Then, they could ascertain info on any of this limited number of Commisioned Officers who could have possibly been in any proximity of the Senator at the time of the rape.

This narrows it down to what seemed like a large number of potential suspects to a reasonably manageable number to question.

This is serious. She has accused, in open debate on the floor of the United States Senate, a Commissioned Officer in the Armed Forces of the United States of raping her. That is a 1st degree felony. Period.

The Military now has the resonsibility to find out who.

That case would be circumstantial at best. We've narrowed it down to three possibilities and one has since died. So you propose to ruin a life, destroy a reputation, and take away their freedom based on a probability.
I hate to say it but it sounds like a prosecution for someone who matched the description because they were black and there.

[Jackie S]

Originally Posted by oeb11

JS - would that investigation and prosecution require the active participation of Sen McSally?
I am no expert on the UCMJ.

I’m certainly not an authority either.

In my opinion, yes. She has made and EXTREMELY serious accusation against the Officer Corps of the US Military. As serious accusation that a fellow Officer can make.

In my post, I laid it out how the military could narrow the field of suspects down.

How many other Officers were raped by this man because of her silence?

If she wasn’t willing to go all the way, she should have never brought it up.

[oeb11]

I agree it is a very serious accusation.

First I hope she gets the care needed .
Second you have a point - if She brought it up, she should be willing to cooperate with an investigation and cooperate with any prosecution.

I know not how this would be handled under the UCMJ

[dilbert firestorm]

I remember seeing some figure that there were 30,000 rapes in the military, half of them from gays.