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Old 09-19-2022, 11:57 AM   #16
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LOL ok you go with those CBS /YouGov polls. Anyone who has paid attention knows the YouGov polls are garbage

New independent Trafalgar Group PAGov Poll (9/13-15) shows tightening w/narrow Shapiro lead :

47.4% Josh Shapiro
45.4% Doug Mastriano
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Fetterman likely won't engage in much debate due to whatever reason
It’s not due to “whatever reason”. It’s because the stroke obviously affected his cognitive function and it’s not coming back. The media is running cover because dems didn’t have another viable candidate ready to step in. They’ll get the brain damaged guy to Washington where he can sit in a puddle of his own drool and be wheeled out and told how to vote.
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Old 09-19-2022, 12:10 PM   #18
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Polls are polls. I usually go to 538, but nobody has proven to be a super accurate poll provider relative to prediction of outcomes. 2016 proved that, and so did 2020.
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It’s not due to “whatever reason”. It’s because the stroke obviously affected his cognitive function and it’s not coming back. The media is running cover because dems didn’t have another viable candidate ready to step in. They’ll get the brain damaged guy to Washington where he can sit in a puddle of his own drool and be wheeled out and told how to vote.
Exactly. Fetterman is brain damaged. Even the liberal Washington Post said so. But most of the corrupt media are working to cover it up and hide it from the voters in PA
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Polls are polls. I usually go to 538, but nobody has proven to be a super accurate poll provider relative to prediction of outcomes. 2016 proved that, and so did 2020.
No, not all polls are equal. 538 is laughable. Some have proven to be very unreliable. Hell Fox News polls are unreliable. That said Trafalger has been one of the most accurate in 2020 and this primary season.

There is a reason why so many get it wrong.

First many oversample Democrats
Second some have an inherent bias

Third - and this is from the Director of one polling firm:

In 2020 people who supported Trump or espoused conservative values out of step with “Woke” culture found themselves being “canceled” or “doxed”. This led to “hidden voters” that “most” polling under counted, therefore Trump support in key battleground states exceeded expectations.

Now that the Biden administration has essentially classified “MAGA Republicans” as a threat to democracy marshaling federal law enforcement to focus on them. This move has created a new type of voter that will be even harder to poll or even estimate. I call this new group “submerged voters”. They aren’t putting stickers on their cars, signs in their yards, posting their opinions, or even answering polls. At this point I think it’s fair to say that Biden’s pursuit of and attacks on “MAGA Republicans” has created an army of voters who will be virtually impossible to poll (even for us) and more difficult still to estimate.

The 2022 Republican turnout will likely be higher than any of the polls or models are showing. All polls (including ours) will understate the impact of these “submerged voters”.
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