Human Lawn Mower

[Fast Gunn]

You used to post these semi-intelligent thoughts, but now you have suddenly devolved into a typical troll screaming diatribes and resorting to name calling. What in the world has happened to you?

Such tactics indicate more about the mental instability of the person making groundless accusations than about the person to whom they are directed.

The fact is, that the water boarding or any of the other inhuman methods did not lead us to Osama bin Laden's location.

Furthermore, torture is not the method of a Great Nation, it is the method used by thugs and criminals. The US should be ashamed to resort to such tactics.

The method of located this viper was by locating the trusted courier that OBL used that led to discovering his lair.

. . . You really should get your meager facts straight before you yammer and show the world just how cavernous your ignorance is.

Originally Posted by joe bloe

You are a complete idiot. Obama didn't find Bin Laden; Obama didn't take him out. You make it sound like Obama was actually directly participating in the operation. If not for the intelligence gained from water boarding and enhanced interrogation, both of which Obama opposes, Bin Laden would not have been found.

I think you must be mainlining the Obama Koolaid.

[CuteOldGuy]

What made the trusted courier give up OBL's location?

[Old-T]

Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

What made the trusted courier give up OBL's location?

It wasn't what you think. And never believe what publicly released sources and methods say.

Best left alone since the anti-Obama posters will always find some reason to give him no credit, and thepro-Obama ones will give him too much.

[CuteOldGuy]

He gets the credit he deserves. He made the call once he was found. Any president would have.

And the problem here is that too many posters believe what the MSM (government controlled media) tell them to believe. I don't trust any of those sources.

[Fast Gunn]

The information was not tortured out of the courier, if that's what you're leading up to, old coot.

It was the intelligence of the C.I.A. and other investigators who deduced that the courier must be seeing someone high up on the hierarchy to go to the lengths he was and given the secrecy of the compound that he visited.

Even after many months of keeping an eye on "The Pacer" as they called him, they were still not certain it was him, but they had a high probability that it was Osama hiding out in Pakistan, but wisely concluded that they could not expect any help from that country.

. . . It took very high intelligence to locate him and carefully plan the complex and delicate mission and then it took nerves of steel to pull the trigger on such an audacious plan.

Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

What made the trusted courier give up OBL's location?

[cptjohnstone]

nerves of steel

HAHAHAHAHAHA

who on this board would not have done the same thing

what world do you live in?

[CuteOldGuy]

See, I told you. FastGoon is the funniest poster on here. I think he really believes that shit.

[Fast Gunn]

There are three stages of Truth.

1. It is first ridiculed.

2. Secondly it is violently opposed.

3. Finally, it is then accepted as being self-evident.

. . . Ironic, isn't it?

[Seedy]

And you believe this administration? You are a fool fg, they have not told the truth about anything since they came into power... the only ones who truly know how it went down are the seals and the commanding officers.....all the rest is just spin....

[CuteOldGuy]

Were a number of the SEALS killed in a helicopter attack just a few weeks after the bin Laden raid? Or did I mishear something.

Oh, and FastGoon, your view of the world will never be reality in this universe or any other. But you are a blast to read!

[gnadfly]

It's not the bullet with your name on it that you need to worry about; it's the WET RAG!

Speaking of wet rags, you need to change yours Fast Gunn.

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by Fast Gunn

You used to post these semi-intelligent thoughts, but now you have suddenly devolved into a typical troll screaming diatribes and resorting to name calling. What in the world has happened to you?

Such tactics indicate more about the mental instability of the person making groundless accusations than about the person to whom they are directed.

The fact is, that the water boarding or any of the other inhuman methods did not lead us to Osama bin Laden's location.

Furthermore, torture is not the method of a Great Nation, it is the method used by thugs and criminals. The US should be ashamed to resort to such tactics.

The method of located this viper was by locating the trusted courier that OBL used that led to discovering his lair.

. . . You really should get your meager facts straight before you yammer and show the world just how cavernous your ignorance is.

An FYI Fast Goon:

Identity of bin Laden’s courier

Identification of al-Qaeda couriers was an early priority for interrogators at CIA “black sites” and Guantanamo Bay detention camp, because bin Laden was believed to communicate through such couriers while concealing his whereabouts from al-Qaeda foot soldiers and top commanders. Bin Laden was known not to use phones, as the U.S. launched missile strikes against his bases in Afghanistan and Sudan in 1998 (Operation Infinite Reach) after tracking an associate's satellite phone.

By 2002, interrogators had heard uncorroborated claims about an al-Qaeda courier with the nom de guerre Abu Ahmed al-Kuwaiti (sometimes referred to as Sheikh Abu Ahmed from Kuwait). In 2003, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed [water boarded], the alleged operational chief of al-Qaeda, revealed under interrogation [i.e., water boarding] that he was acquainted with al-Kuwaiti but that he was not active in al-Qaeda.

In 2004, a prisoner named Hassan Ghul told interrogators that al-Kuwaiti was close to bin Laden as well as Khalid Sheik Mohammed and Mohammed's successor Abu Faraj al-Libi [water boarded]. Ghul further revealed that al-Kuwaiti had not been seen in some time, which led U.S. officials to suspect he was traveling with bin Laden. When confronted with Ghul's account, Khalid Sheik Mohammed maintained his original story. Abu Faraj al-Libi was captured in 2005 and transferred to Guantánamo in September 2006. He told CIA interrogators that bin Laden's courier was a man named Maulawi Abd al-Khaliq Jan and denied knowing al-Kuwaiti. Because both Mohammed and al-Libi [both water boarded] had minimized al-Kuwaiti's importance, officials speculated that he was part of bin Laden's inner circle.

In 2007, officials learned al-Kuwaiti's real name, though they will not disclose the name nor how they learned it. WIKI


The CIA revealed that American spies have also been watching many of bin Laden’s couriers for years. “One courier in particular had our constant attention,” a senior US government official said. “We identified him as both a protege of Khaled Sheikh Mohammed and Abu Faraj al-Libi.”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/pakistan/8488436/WikiLeaks-Osama-bin-Laden-killed-after-tip-offs-from-Guantanamo.html

[Old-T]

Originally Posted by I B Hankering

An FYI Fast Goon:

Identity of bin Laden’s courier

Etc., etc.

The fact that you have the time to string a lot of words together does not mean those words are either truthful nor does it mean your insinuations/conclusions are correct.


In this case they are neither. In this case you are speculating in total ignorance, and you are quite wrong. Somehow I doubt that will matter much to you, but this way I can feel I at least tried.

2597

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by Old-T

The fact that you have the time to string a lot of words together does not mean those words are either truthful nor does it mean your insinuations/conclusions are correct.


In this case they are neither. In this case you are speculating in total ignorance, and you are quite wrong. Somehow I doubt that will matter much to you, but this way I can feel I at least tried.

2597

Those "opinions" that you so readily dismiss belong to people far more "expert" in the subject than yourself. Furthermore, those "opinions" were recently reaffirmed by former 30+ year CIA operative Jose Rodriguez during interviews and in his book. So, in comparison, it is your "ignorant opinion" that does not matter, Old-goaT.

[Old-T]

Originally Posted by I B Hankering

Those "opinions" that you so readily dismiss belong to people far more "expert" in the subject than yourself. Furthermore, those "opinions" were recently reaffirmed by former 30+ year CIA operative Jose Rodriguez during interviews and in his book. So, in comparison, it is your "ignorant opinion" that does not matter, Old-goaT.

You are beyond clueless and beyond help. The first step in getting better is acknowledging you have a problem, and your ego will never allow you to admit that. How do you make a "comparison" between two things when you only know snippets of one and nothing of the other?

You know, I bet I could quote folks with far more impressive sounding resumes than yours who vehemintly disagree with damn near every post you have made--by your illogic, that is an admissio on your part that everything you have posted is wrong.

Your assumptions about what happened are wrong.