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02-23-2010, 04:31 PM
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Location: Kansas City Area
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I have never haggled nor will I ever haggle. I feel the donation the lady has posted, or quoted to you, is the donation you should pay if you want to see her, but kccountryboy you stated that you get what you pay for. That is not always true. The best time I have ever had with a provider was an $140/hr session (wish she hadn't retired, only got to see her twice and would love to see her again) and the worst was a $200/hr session. Since nothing is to be discussed over the phone other than time, length, and location, the menu had changed from the ad to when I got there. BBBJTC, CIM, and COT was offered in the ad, but when I got there CIM was no longer offered. I then chose BBBJTC-COT for the finish. The session was DATY, HJ, BBBJ, MISH, K9, BBBJ but after about 10 "head bobs" she said her jaws were tired so she squirted lotion in her hand and the finish was a HJTC-COT.
MsElena, you said if there is a lady we would like to see but is over our budget to save up. No offense, because I'm sure most of the ladies here won't understand but most of the men will, but after so long a man's little brain will convince his big brain that's it's been too long and it's time to go bargain hunting...lol. Especially one in my position. I go long periods of time inbetween encounters since my job is weather related. When the weather is good I rarely have time, and when the weather is bad, like this winter has been, I have had to put my hobby on hold not knowing when work will start back up. Also, my wife passed away a couple of years ago (she was only 45) and I have no desire to date or get in a relationship, so this hobby is my only way to fulfill my needs and desires of a woman's touch. So, in other words, I'm usually quick, easy, and one-and-done...lol. Other than this hobby, even if the woman knows going in that it's a NSA situation, they get clingy and expect/want more.
The ads and websites that bug me are the ones without accepted donations listed. I learned, last time that I tried one of these, that I now have to pass those by, because I'm a sucker for a sweet, sexy voice and I feel obligated when I make the call. She quoted $350, which was quite a bit more than I was really wanting to donate, but I followed through. It was an ok time, but not any better than others I have been with at much more reasonable prices.
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02-23-2010, 05:27 PM
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Join Date: Jan 6, 2010
Location: KC
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Price, Value and demand....
Some Texas ladies shared in this tread. If you check down there you might find out why. Supply and demand mean a lot. Both can affect price. If somehing is in demand and hard to find, like copper, prices go up. But you can get tires cheap if you look in the right place. Who sets the price, how is demand evaluated? And what is the value of a specific act? Toyota anyone?
Demand a special? That is different that look for a special. Should one ask? Is that wrong or abusive? I think that is a whole different topic? But I have been wrong before. I think there are several different aspects to this discussion that are not being fully explored?
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02-23-2010, 05:42 PM
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"Do you pay full price for a car?" This is not a car dealership nor is this a flea market!
Can't afford someone's rate, MOVE ON!
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02-23-2010, 09:24 PM
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I'm not sure why a good analogy is so hard to come up with. Cars, flea markets, spas? To me, the best comparison is to a therapist. I can't imagine haggling with a shrink...
Of course, group therapy is usually cheaper, and insurance often covers therapy, so the analogy isn't perfect...
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02-23-2010, 09:45 PM
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What if the hobbyist only ones a limited menu, say he is only looking for DATY but does not want to pay the FS price, is it then acceptable to ask for a special rate, if so how would you do this without spooking off the lady especially if you have never seen them before. I mean if your only wanting a cheeseburger do you have to get the whole value meal?
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02-23-2010, 10:32 PM
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I have to agree about the non haggling. It's so unattractive. As for paying less for non full service, it doesn't fly with me either. My rate is not based on services received but time spent. I feel like you came to cum no matter how it happens. If it happens, then I did my job!
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02-23-2010, 10:50 PM
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As most ladies say, "I am not selling sex, it is my time you are paying for." FS or a portion of it should not determine the fee for a lady's time. Pay what her rate is or find someone who fits your current price range.
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02-24-2010, 04:50 AM
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Location: KC
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Pay what her rate is or find someone who fits your current price range.
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This statement is more than fair. Different ladies select different niches for themselves and there are plenty of lower cost providers.
I would personally never haggle over the price. If someone is asking more than I'm willing to pay then I'll just pass by.
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02-24-2010, 08:45 AM
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My sincerest apologies to those I offended with the automotive analogy. I know these fine ladies are not an item. We perpetuate the problem only in that as ss said the law of supply and demand. We do not have the provider base that other metro areas have. Areas such as Dallas, D.C., New York, Chicago,and LA have more providers available because they are larger cities. Because of this, in order for the workers to stay busy, and be competitive, they charge a little less. Cost of living in these areas in a little higher as well. While rates only give an indication of the type of experience one has, it is always a YMMV situation. Women do take huge risk each time they answer the phone. They never know who is on the other end. I have had great sessions for 200 who I would see over and over, and I have had terrible ones at 1000 that I wish I never gone to. Just the way it works. When it comes to haggling, I don't feel it is ever appropriate to do so. If you want to see the person, then wait and save. It will usually only increase your appreciation of the time spent.
A man walks into a brothel. He starts inquiring about services. 500 for anal, 300 intercourse mulitple positions. 200, missionary, or 100 for BJ (covered or uncovered, doesn't matter). He tells the madam, I only have 50, what can I get. She thinks about it, for a moment and tells him he can have a penguin. The gentleman is quite confused. He is curious, and accepts the offer. The madam calls to the back and gorgeous woman comes out. She seductively takes him to the back and in the hallway pulls down his pants and begins an enthusiastic blow job. He is really getting into and is about to come when she stops, gets up and walks away. Irritated, the many begins chasing her, with his pants still around his ankles, asking what she is doing? She politely tells him that she is giving him a penguin, just look at how you are chasing me.
If you want to see a woman, just accept the rates she provides and you will be happy. In my opinion, if you haggle, you could end up a penguin.
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02-24-2010, 09:30 AM
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Originally Posted by KCQuestor
I'm not sure why a good analogy is so hard to come up with. Cars, flea markets, spas? To me, the best comparison is to a therapist. I can't imagine haggling with a shrink...
Of course, group therapy is usually cheaper, and insurance often covers therapy, so the analogy isn't perfect...
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HAHAHAHA!!! Group therapy, there's an idea. I don't mean to disrespect the women when I use the car analogy. Some women refer to themselves as cars by the way. I remember Ginger of KC used to have an ad that described herself sort of as a car. The model being a 1973.
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02-24-2010, 10:05 AM
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The lady sets her rate because that is what she decided she needs to get in order to show your ugly old fat ass a good time.
This used to be a gentleman's game. The Internet has changed that to a degree.
I don't haggle on a 1 hour rate. If I want multiple hours, an overnight, etc., then I may make an offer, politely. If it is refused, then I thank them for their consideration and move on.
This ain't rocket science. It's not even bottle rocket science.
It is just common sense and respect; at least until you are BCD and spraying your load porn style.
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02-24-2010, 10:06 AM
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Y'all can keep up the car analogy, just as long as you accept our analogy:
You say we're getting a filet mignon, and sometimes we get just that. But, other times all we get is a hot dog.
Food for thought.
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02-24-2010, 10:09 AM
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Join Date: Feb 13, 2010
Location: KC area
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In some aspects of life, you just can't be cheap...I believe this is one of them.
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02-24-2010, 10:42 AM
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LoL Ms.E.... I likey how you put that one! lol If you want a good steak your not gonna pull up to a condemned building trying to order steak. lol Your gonna go to a steakhouse and good one @ that... & your not gonna try to negotiate the pricing w/ the owner for that matter... I have read alot on here from ymmv to up-charging to bait & switch and all other kind of haywire situations... It's basically on the individual, not everyone in this business a jewel and vise virus & I know there are some good providers in our city for good rates some cheaper than other some more expensive than others. I feel like everyone runs their business different weather if they're running it into the ground or running it like a fine tuned company. Not trying to P anyone off just speaking my mind.lol
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02-24-2010, 10:44 AM
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This used to be a gentleman's game. The Internet has changed that to a degree.
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I respectfully disagree. Pre-internet most of the providers were part of agencies. Most of the ads that were in publications such as The Pitch that had adult service ads were actually agency ads, even though they came across as independents. Hell, before The Pitch, the main contact was through the Yellow Pages Escorts listings. With most agencies, upsell was the name of the game. Of course you didn't know about that until after you handed over your $250 fee for the lady to show up. There was nothing respectful, gentleman-like or lady-like about those situations. With the advent of the internet, it is more gentleman-like as the ability to research has made it more likely you may choose an independent, or an agency that doesn't upsell. I think there is more respect on both sides of the fence because of this.
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