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Old 08-29-2021, 09:34 AM   #16
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President Trump relentlessly pushed development and emergency use authorization from the FDA of the vaccines. Hillary Clinton or Joe Biden would not have done as well. Tens of thousands of lives were saved by getting safe, effective vaccines into the arms of people months early.
Trump clipped the regs to expedite processing, but FYI there were pharma activities on the "virus" in December 2019 into early January 2020*. It seems so many people either were not aware or elect to ignore that throughout the Obaminable/Bitten years pharma was settling into China for research and development before inexpensive manufacturing costs for their products that soaked up bucks from U.S. drug dependent consumers. Look hard at "ObamaCare"! Pharma was bankrolling their campaigns and their friends.

*before much publicity was passed out in the U.S. Remember Fauci's early remarks? He was heavily invested in the private research that was started around 2014 when Obaminable pulled the tax dollar plug.
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Old 08-29-2021, 09:44 AM   #17
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LL - You clearly know teh FDA approval process.

Thank you for your Comments.



i think both You and Tiny have valid points.

Still - the vaccine did slow down the pandemic - what happens with Delta variant remains to be experienced.

A preach - vaccination is a matter between a patient and physician - damn politicians hve no place in a Privacy protected medical decision of a doctor and patient. .


Thank You both, Gentlemen.
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Old 08-29-2021, 09:47 AM   #18
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Trump clipped the regs to expedite processing, but FYI there were pharma activities in December 2019 into early January 2020. It seems so many people either were not aware or elect to ignore that throughout the Obaminable/Bitten years pharma was settling into China for research and development before inexpensive manufacturing costs for their products that soaked up bucks from U.S. drug dependent consumers. Look hard at "ObamaCare"! Pharma was bankrolling their campaigns and their friends.
In the end American companies again prevailed over the Chinese. Our vaccines are more effective than the Chinese vaccines, or the Russian vaccines.

COVID has become a battleground in the struggle for worldwide supremacy. Just as the Chinese have loaned and given money to many third world countries to increase their influence, now they’re giving away their crappy ass vaccines.

I believe some of the paranoia about American vaccines has its genesis in Chinese and Russian propaganda.
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Old 08-29-2021, 09:53 AM   #19
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Tiny - I understand teh fear of China's grwoing influence in the Third world
We are paying some of that bill with our purchases of chinese plastic garbage.
suggest - boycott chinese products, and let them spend their capital in shithole countries - as We did in Afghanistan adn Vietnam.

Let them bankrupt themselves - and they will.

For very little gain in Reality.


Without infusion of American capital - their factories will slow - and economic stagnation - coupled with unfettered spending for political influence internationally - will bankrupt Xi. if alie at that point.



Let the chins learn America's lesson teh hard Way!
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Old 08-29-2021, 09:58 AM   #20
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The irony is that a substantial number of Trump’s strongest supporters are afraid of the vaccines. Some have died and suffered severe damage to their health as a result. Some have infected older family members who have gone on to die.
Stop with this line of bullshit. It's not fear driving this. It's mistrust... and it's trust that the government and health authorities squandered.

What's ironic is you're trying to use fear to convince people to take the jab... some have died and suffered, infected older family.

What utter bullshit.

You keep pretending you're against forced jabbing, but you're doing your level best to scare folks into taking an experimental medicine to cure at virus with a 99.98% survival rate (without medical intervention).

Why the fear tactics? Why the bribery tactics from other sources?

The simple answer it isn't the efficacy because we know it's not effective. It's not that it slows transmission, we know it's actually the opposite. So we should all take that experimental drug that has a limited window of functionality, has side effects up to and including death, no long term studies have been done on it, but we need it to return to normal?

Fuck that, what we need to return to normal is all the candy assed mutherfcukers like you to stop shitting themselves over a bad case of the flu.
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Old 08-29-2021, 09:59 AM   #21
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Tiny - I understand teh fear of China's grwoing influence in the Third world
We are paying some of that bill with our purchases of chinese plastic garbage.
suggest - boycott chinese products, and let them spend their capital in shithole countries - as We did in Afghanistan adn Vietnam.

Let them bankrupt themselves - and they will.

For very little gain in Reality.


Without infusion of American capital - their factories will slow - and economic stagnation - coupled with unfettered spending for political influence internationally - will bankrupt Xi. if alie at that point.



Let the chins learn America's lesson teh hard Way!
Oeb, I much prefer what I think LexusLover is suggesting. Encourage essential industries like pharma to manufacture in the USA. Let the Chinese manufacture clothes and toys and low end electronics to their hearts content, and export them to the USA. The people who do this work are mostly women with the ability to do menial, repetitive work for hours on end. Americans have better things to do.
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Old 08-29-2021, 10:02 AM   #22
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Tiny - I respect your opinion for the short Term
What I suggest is a long term outlook
something lacking in our business/government which is obsessed with quarterly reports.
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Old 08-29-2021, 10:05 AM   #23
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its the same drug now with a name LOL approved for EUO meaning its not. But lets get Biden off are ass and play a word game
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Old 08-29-2021, 10:11 AM   #24
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Stop with this line of bullshit. It's not fear driving this. It's mistrust... and it's trust that the government and health authorities squandered.

What's ironic is you're trying to use fear to convince people to take the jab... some have died and suffered, infected older family.

What utter bullshit.

You keep pretending you're against forced jabbing, but you're doing your level best to scare folks into taking an experimental medicine to cure at virus with a 99.98% survival rate (without medical intervention).

Why the fear tactics? Why the bribery tactics from other sources?

The simple answer it isn't the efficacy because we know it's not effective. It's not that it slows transmission, we know it's actually the opposite. So we should all take that experimental drug that has a limited window of functionality, has side effects up to and including death, no long term studies have been done on it, but we need it to return to normal?

Fuck that, what we need to return to normal is all the candy assed mutherfcukers like you to stop shitting themselves over a bad case of the flu.
You’re arguing the probability a person who’s infected will die of COVID is .02%. Well already ten times as many Americans, 0.2% of the population, have died of it. More would have died if not for the vaccines.

You don’t have a good handle on what’s really happened. Repeating part of what I posted in a reply to you a couple of days ago,

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The headline in the paper today where I live is that 87% of the people in the hospital system with COVID are unvaccinated. Half of the hospital beds are occupied by COVID patients, and right now COVID is the leading cause of death in my community. One of the hospitals is trying to get a tent to add capacity. Apparently the funeral homes are coping better than the hospitals because we haven't needed a mobile morgue like we did over the winter. Only 40% of the population here is vaccinated and very few people are wearing masks. I could probably count the number of KN95 or N95 masks I've seen in the last week on other people on one hand.
Btw your characterization of my relationship with my mother, may she RIP, is false and disgusting
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Old 08-29-2021, 11:05 AM   #25
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Stop with this line of bullshit. It's not fear driving this. It's mistrust... and it's trust that the government and health authorities squandered.
Can’t imagine where the hesitancy came from (other than the countless injuries it caused and its obvious lack of effectiveness).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8vRMYwmT4U
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Old 08-29-2021, 11:13 AM   #26
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Never interrupt an enemy….

- The brilliance of DJT
- Under the EUA, you cannot mandate the vax. When the FDA “approved” it, they NOW HAVE TO CONFIRM CGMP PROTOCOLS.
- They have 14 days, Approved Monday, Aug 23…. Sept 6 is the deadline to show WHAT IS IN THE VIALS?
- I wonder what is in those vials?
- It’s the end of the pharmaceutical industry as we know it
- It’s the end of government regulated healthcare as we know it

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CHECKMATE IMMINENT

Coincidently— There is QDrop#2099 Sept 06, 2018….. EBS.

Full Vid here
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CGMP Protocol
https://www.fda.gov/drugs/pharmaceut...mp-regulations

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Old 08-29-2021, 12:10 PM   #27
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Can’t imagine where the hesitancy came from (other than the countless injuries it caused and its obvious lack of effectiveness).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8vRMYwmT4U
Too bad this became politicized. Unlike Cuomo, Biden and Harris, Trump never wavered. He has always encouraged people to get the vaccine.
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Old 08-29-2021, 12:51 PM   #28
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What's ironic is you're trying to use fear to convince people to take the jab... some have died and suffered, infected older family.

What utter bullshit.
Like you're not using fear tactics. How about your list of links to self righteous stories of people who died after taking the vaccine. Some of them like the heart attack victim probably had nothing to do with getting vaccinated. As to the others, including the deaths of women from clots after taking the Astra Zeneca vaccine (which is not offered in the USA), yeah, there probably was cause and effect. But for every gruesome death from the vaccines there are maybe 1000 from the disease. You keep coming back to the "99.98% [COVID] survival rate" though. Which is, using your words, utter bullshit.
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Old 08-29-2021, 04:01 PM   #29
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You’re arguing the probability a person who’s infected will die of COVID is .02%. Well already ten times as many Americans, 0.2% of the population, have died of it. More would have died if not for the vaccines.
the CDC’s own data, if you were 0-19 years old – and this was very early on, we had this data – your risk of survival was 99.98 percent. If you were 20-49, the data showed us your risk of survival – had you been infected – was 99.97 percent. If you were 50-70, your risk of survival was 99.5 percent. You were almost at 100 percent guaranteed risk of survival if you were infected.”
Those are survival rates without medical assistance.
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Old 08-29-2021, 05:16 PM   #30
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The current Pfizer vaccine was NOT given full approval by the FDA. This trick shows exactly how Pfizer and fda continue to screw the American people...

The vaccine approved is called Comirnaty. It will not be available in USA until 2024. This will allow Pfizer to finish longer term studies and avoid liability for marketing a killer vaccine.

The current vaccine that has an EUA made by BioNtech-Pfizer got an extension of its EUA and will be used in America. This will protect Pfizer from liability because they are not actively marketing the killer vaccine.

The current vaccine is identical to Comirnaty.

In other words, fda, pfizer, and the media make a lot of noise about an approved vaccine that is not available for the next 3 years. While the identical vaccine gets an extension of it’s EUA (not FDA approved).

The only thing that this legal trick accomplished is to fool the public and protect Pfizer from liability.

This is a poison death shot and you have no legal recourse because it has emergency authorization that protects the government and Pfizer from liability.
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