Trumps DC trial suspended indefinitely

[eyecu2]

Originally Posted by berryberry

Does the President of the United States have the responsibility to ensure that we have free and FAIR elections?

Obviously we did not have fair elections and Trump was doing his duty as President to raise the issue and question them so they could be properly investigated further

Guess, that's the crux of what is being reviewed and revealed. I am of the belief, that TRUMP was not looking into elections outside of his own. The claim of him doing his duty as POTUS to have a fair election generally is a ruse.

The actions Trump pursued were to include only his personal election outcome and his accusations of impropriety, without any proof and with lots of damning evidence of his manipulating or attempting to manipulate the vote outcomes in the states in question.

Was the request to Raffensberger or to any of the other 7 states proper?

"Just find me the Votes!"

"What you're doing is illegal"- intimidating the SOS's in each state.

Trump was recorded on a phone call pressuring election workers in Michigan to "not certify the 2020 vote."

"Trump tried to reach the top Republican in metropolitan Phoenix as his allies were trying to overturn the state’s 2020 results, according to the official, who said he did not pick up the calls."

Setting up fake electors in the following states:

• Arizona,
• Nevada
• Michigan,
• Georgia,
• New Mexico
• Pennsylvania
• Wisconson

These were ALL in an effort to change the outcome for the PRESIDENT electoral process. NOT anything other than that.

Why lie and say it was an attempt to ensure a fair election, when all of the above are FACTS, that Trump has done to create an UNFAIR election!!!?

Please cite any court cases that would support your claim that Trump was acting in a presidential capacity and how would fake electors ever be a fair part of the process?

If you think that's being presidential- that would be like saying "a bank robber is robbing a bank to protect the money."

[tommy156]

What trump engaged in was textbook election interference. There's not a single argument against that that holds any water.

Also, he was clearly acting outside of his duties as POTUS on J6, so the argument of "Presidential immunity" is bullshit, too.

trump's argument is basically "the POTUS can do anything he wants to do and be protected from any legal repercussions". That's what a dictator does. And is MAGA sure they want to set that precedent for all other POTUSes moving forward?? Really??

Go find another fucking country for this asshole to preside over. He has no place in the U.S. government.

[eyecu2]

Originally Posted by tommy156

What trump engaged in was textbook election interference. There's not a single argument against that that holds any water.

Also, he was clearly acting outside of his duties as POTUS on J6, so the argument of "Presidential immunity" is bullshit, too.

trump's argument is basically "the POTUS can do anything he wants to do and be protected from any legal repercussions". That's what a dictator does. And is MAGA sure they want to set that precedent for all other POTUSes moving forward?? Really??

Go find another fucking country for this asshole to preside over. He has no place in the U.S. government.

That's right Tommy. The MAGA ppl will distort the facts to try to fit an exit ramp off the LEGAL JEOPARDY that he's facing- cause they have NO other choice. They hitched their wagon to the worst criminal in political history since Benedict Arnold. He's got no sense of what made this country a great place, and is a disgrace to the office and the entire USA. If he could point to some solutions that he and the GOP made, I'd maybe entertain a different opinion, but he's literally been the weakest leader in the office since Hoover.

[tommy156]

Originally Posted by eyecu2

If he could point to some solutions that he and the GOP made, I'd maybe entertain a different opinion, but he's literally been the weakest leader in the office since Hoover.

That's another good point. He literally didn't do shit for the country that the history books will ever point to as being a net positive.

[winn dixie]

More. Important. How did trumpf get this delay. An investigation should be made. I'd say lots of legal eeze and payoffs.

[Jacuzzme]

Originally Posted by eyecu2

That's right Tommy. The MAGA ppl will distort the facts to try to fit an exit ramp off the LEGAL JEOPARDY that he's facing- cause they have NO other choice. They hitched their wagon to the worst criminal in political history since Benedict Arnold. He's got no sense of what made this country a great place, and is a disgrace to the office and the entire USA. If he could point to some solutions that he and the GOP made, I'd maybe entertain a different opinion

He’s in legal jeopardy because democrats know they can’t beat him with legitimate voting.

he's literally been the weakest leader in the office since Hoover.

Now THAT’S funny!

[Smarty1]

As for the alternate electors, the left obviously is spinning that in a nefarious way, but it was a necessary and perfectly legal step for Trump to take prior to any court challenge of the election. The Presidential election is different from all others. Legally, not one single vote was cast for either Trump or Biden in 2020. All votes are legally cast for a slate of Presidential electors, not for the candidate that those electors have promised to vote for.

As a result, if Trump, Biden, or anyone else wants to bring a legal challenge in court seeking to overturn the election result, there must be a “true winner” that the judge can give the election to in the unlikely event that the plaintiff can prove that the election result was incorrectly certified. That “true winner” could not be Trump because Trump was technically not up for election in November 2020. It had to be an alternate slate of electors.

There is precedent for this BTW - Al Gore appointed exactly such a slate of alternate electors in Florida in 2000 so that they could have be installed as the electors for that state state had there been a favorable ruling to his legal challenges.

[tommy156]

Originally Posted by Jacuzzme

He’s in legal jeopardy because democrats know they can’t beat him with legitimate voting

Or, you know, because he's a lifelong piece of shit criminal fraud and grifter. His legal woes have exactly zero to do with the Democratic party.

[tommy156]

Originally Posted by winn dixie

More. Important. How did trumpf get this delay. An investigation should be made. I'd say lots of legal eeze and payoffs.

Bureaucratic red tape and shady judges simply not doing their jobs. There's a very important and timely ruling for these assholes to make, and they know that, yet still refuse to do their sworn duty to the rule of law.

[berryberry]

Originally Posted by Smarty1

As for the alternate electors, the left obviously is spinning that in a nefarious way, but it was a necessary and perfectly legal step for Trump to take prior to any court challenge of the election. The Presidential election is different from all others. Legally, not one single vote was cast for either Trump or Biden in 2020. All votes are legally cast for a slate of Presidential electors, not for the candidate that those electors have promised to vote for.

As a result, if Trump, Biden, or anyone else wants to bring a legal challenge in court seeking to overturn the election result, there must be a “true winner” that the judge can give the election to in the unlikely event that the plaintiff can prove that the election result was incorrectly certified. That “true winner” could not be Trump because Trump was technically not up for election in November 2020. It had to be an alternate slate of electors.

There is precedent for this BTW - Al Gore appointed exactly such a slate of alternate electors in Florida in 2000 so that they could have be installed as the electors for that state state had there been a favorable ruling to his legal challenges.

Thank you Smarty for enlightening this thread with actual facts. The left even tries to distort the issue falsely calling them fake electors. They are alternate electors as you have noted and have been appointed in past elections as well

[bambino]

PRESIDENT TRUMP: BIDEN PROSECUTORS ARE TRYING TO WIN AN ELECTION FOR HIM THAT HE HAS NO CHANCE OF WINNING. THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WON’T LET IT HAPPEN!

Join us: Fall of the Cabal

[Jacuzzme]

Originally Posted by Smarty1

There is precedent for this BTW - Al Gore appointed exactly such a slate of alternate electors in Florida in 2000 so that they could have be installed as the electors for that state state had there been a favorable ruling to his legal challenges.

As did JFK, whose electors were actually sat after an initial result was reversed.

Originally Posted by tommy156

Or, you know, because he's a lifelong piece of shit criminal fraud and grifter. His legal woes have exactly zero to do with the Democratic party.

LOLOLOLOL!! Wanna buy a bridge?

[tommy156]

No Democrat ever made trump commit those crimes. They have ZERO to do with his legal woes. Nothing. Why would anyone blame anyone else except the person committing the crimes? How does that make any sense?

[bambino]

Originally Posted by tommy156

No Democrat ever made trump commit those crimes. They have ZERO to do with his legal woes. Nothing. Why would anyone blame anyone else except the person committing the crimes? How does that make any sense?

What crime has he been convicted of?

[tommy156]

Originally Posted by bambino

What crime has he been convicted of?

Fraud, defamation and rape so far. Try and keep up. More on the way. 91 felony counts and the DOJ has a 99% conviction rate. Lots and lots more on the way.