Being popular is NOT always a good thing!

[Lily Blair]

Originally Posted by charlestudor2005

Somewhat...But what I think DeAnna was saying is that NO ONE is 100% safe. Especially now, since you have no idea who has been turned and who has not. Men tend to get around and may have seen and been compromised by a provider who is cooperating w/ LE.

No, don't do that. Don't cast one of your infamous dark shadows on all of us. One asshole flipped. ONE. We all know who she is. Don't punish and condemn the rest of us please.

[Guest020111]

Originally Posted by Blond_Lily

No, don't do that. Don't cast one of your infamous dark shadows on all of us. One asshole flipped. ONE. We all know who she is. Don't punish and condemn the rest of us please.

Too true Lily, but would you be willing to meet a newbie right now?? I think that if everyone just pull's back into there shell for a while and only see (granted that's still not 100% safe) hobbits that they've seen recently it might actually blow over quicker. But who knows what's going through the minds of LE. It would suck for newbies not being able to see anyone, and the referral's might hurt (unless it comes from a trusted friend) trying to get them established.

[guest071811-3]

Originally Posted by Blond_Lily

No, don't do that. Don't cast one of your infamous dark shadows on all of us. One asshole flipped. ONE. We all know who she is. Don't punish and condemn the rest of us please.

you do realize you don't know who else has been or will be busted?

you do realize that just because gnd knew the other girl, doesn't mean other providers before them, and/or after them, or the following night was not busted..

i don't really see how that logic is lost on some.. gnd being busted proves the entire point.. well known, trusted, well reviewed girl who got popped.. she is relatively new, came from CL, the bust did NOT happen as a result of going thru ECCIE, so please explain why a dark shadow should not be cast on some..who as has been now proven haven't earned the right to not have one somewhat cast..

sadie, randi, girls such as that..are proven, stay out of trouble, handle their business, professional ladies with a track record.. are they incapable of being caught? hell no.. would i trust a guy using them as a reference over the newer girls..HELL YES..

thats my one and only point.. is that the very basis of every argument has been disproven.. being well reviewed and the flavor of the month, does not make you safe... and those transferring over from CL and not leaving it behind should be watched carefully and/or avoided despite any reviews on eccie

to answer willro.. the fact is.. busting prostitutes makes headlines, looks good, is easy, low risk work..and looks good on the cities record as "cleaning up the city".... whether it should be left alone or not is a different argument..fact is, they won't anytime soon leave it alone, its to easy to bust prostitutes, it looks good and bigger cities such as houston, austin and others make alot of money and alot of headlines by doing it..

when someone looks, it appears as tho they are cleaning up the city..by busting "prostitutes" it is illegal, they have every right to bust them, and while yes it may be in theory wrong or a waste of tax dollars.. they are doing what is allowed within the law.


If one person is willing to flip, who else will next time? NO ONE can say.. that other person is from CL too.. big time, wouldn't leave it behind.. no one knows how long the sting went on..how many days.. we only know that 1 out of "x" amount busted was willing to report back..

[charlestudor2005]

Originally Posted by Blond_Lily

No, don't do that. Don't cast one of your infamous dark shadows on all of us. One asshole flipped. ONE. We all know who she is. Don't punish and condemn the rest of us please.

It is not my intent to "cast...dark shadows" on all of you.

However, let's assume that the lady who was cooperating with LE had seen hobbyists A, B, C, D, and E, for example. And she gives them up. And also, for the sake of this example, lets assume hobbyists A, B, C, D, and E have seen other well-reviewed ladies on this Board. For that matter, let's say that you, Lily, have seen C and E in the past with no problem. But now, LE has threatened hobbyists C and E if they don't cooperate. Both call you up, Lily, and book sessions. Since you have seen them before, you set the date.

The first one arrives, gets into the session a little, and in come the cops. You're basically fucked.

I'm just pointing out the problem as it exists now. Any hobbyist that has seen someone who is now cooperating w/ LE is, AND SHOULD BE, suspect.

And since you can't possibly know all the hobbyists who that lady saw, I would suspect you have to screen everyone as if they were a newbie. Even if you screen them as a newbie, they will pass based on previous history. So the question, I guess, to ask is: have you seen __________ in the past. But even then, you are trusting the hobbyists answer. Pretty thin, IMHO.

No, Lily, I'm not trying to cast dark shadows. Just the opposite: providing a little illumination. You have no idea which hobbyists might have been turned.

[newguy2001]

Best to stick with what you know and avoid some new things. For me, I see a lot of providers from bp because I'm not looking for gfe, just a 30min chance to enjoy something with someone else and get back to business. I also spend a lot of time visiting new providers from out of town. Now, that is all but gone. Will stick with those I'm sure of when I find out for sure they aren't working with LE. Everybody becareful.

[Guest032514-1]

Originally Posted by Girl Nexxxt Door

Again, I say...they are not only targeting those that advertise on CL/BP.

My LE 'client' informed me in an email before our meeting, that if his well-checked references weren't good enough...that he would have P411 within a week.

They were very concerned about--and made it plain-as-day--that several of the long-standing ladies on the board are of interest to them.

They want to BUST. They do not discriminate and show no preferential treatment between sites such as BP/CL and P411. They take pride in infiltrating ALL of it....and the more respected the site...the more they desire access.

I don't see how this can be misconstrued. She was NOT NOT NOT asked about BP/CL.

Exactly how difficult was it to sign up? What? A whole email address? They were not targeting just BP/CL. I'm so glad there is an invisible forcefield around ECC/AR that is LE impenetrable.

They used at least one bogus hobby handle and one bogus provider handle from e.com, have used p411....but you are going to go on the supposition that they will not use other boards?

This is a review and discussion board. Nothing more. Being here means nothing to screening or legitimacy. Not a blasted thing. LE was on the P. Is here. Is everywhere. You've been posting away, living your life and they have been a part of it too....so .....live your life.

If you think you will never get popped...you most certainly will. This is not risk free for anybody. No site, no provider, no client is 100% safe.

Now, if you'll excuse me, guess I need to go check my BP ad. The one that's up 24/7/365.

[Girl Nexxxt Door]

Originally Posted by babee

...Now, if you'll excuse me, guess I need to go check my BP ad. The one that's up 24/7/365.

Thanks for the backup on the Backpage thing, Babee. Backpage backup. Say that really fast three times in a row.

I know for certain if it was Backpage that was the problem area, the guy would have just called and said, "Hey, saw your ad on Backpage!" instead of emailing me with an e.com screenname/profile/references/reviews.

I mean, really. Even KellyTNT, a female Mod here on Eccie, advertises on BP. & She is hardly flavor of the month. I also really resent the constant insinuation that I was flavor of the month. I was very well-known & recognized for a reason--and it wasn't Baskin Robbin's on my resume that did it.

Let's not underestimate these Pigs; they are slightly more sophisticated than that...they value us...all of us. As long as we are tied to the Community.

[MrGiz]

Kelly TNT and Babee are not posting on LITTLE ROCK - BP!!!!

Not 24/7/365 anyway!!

Big difference!

[Miss Dreams]

Originally Posted by Blond_Lily

No, don't do that. Don't cast one of your infamous dark shadows on all of us. One asshole flipped. ONE. We all know who she is. Don't punish and condemn the rest of us please.

I'm with you on this Lily.... As I said... Stick with the people we have been knowing for some time now... and to those that do want to take in newbies, do. But I am not sure I will be doing that.

[Miss Dreams]

Originally Posted by babee

I don't see how this can be misconstrued. She was NOT NOT NOT asked about BP/CL.

Exactly how difficult was it to sign up? What? A whole email address? They were not targeting just BP/CL. I'm so glad there is an invisible forcefield around ECC/AR that is LE impenetrable.

They used at least one bogus hobby handle and one bogus provider handle from e.com, have used p411....but you are going to go on the supposition that they will not use other boards?

This is a review and discussion board. Nothing more. Being here means nothing to screening or legitimacy. Not a blasted thing. LE was on the P. Is here. Is everywhere. You've been posting away, living your life and they have been a part of it too....so .....live your life.

If you think you will never get popped...you most certainly will. This is not risk free for anybody. No site, no provider, no client is 100% safe.

Now, if you'll excuse me, guess I need to go check my BP ad. The one that's up 24/7/365.

I agree... it's not where you post. Those lil fuckers are everywhere!!!! Let's just try to be safe as we can!

[charlestudor2005]

Originally Posted by charlestudor2005

Somewhat...But what I think DeAnna was saying is that NO ONE is 100% safe. Especially now, since you have no idea who has been turned and who has not. Men tend to get around and may have seen and been compromised by a provider who is cooperating w/ LE.

Originally Posted by Blond_Lily

No, don't do that. Don't cast one of your infamous dark shadows on all of us. One asshole flipped. ONE. We all know who she is. Don't punish and condemn the rest of us please.

Originally Posted by MissDreams

I'm with you on this Lily.... As I said... Stick with the people we have been knowing for some time now... and to those that do want to take in newbies, do. But I am not sure I will be doing that.

I feel the need to clarify my original post that Lily responded to.

I was not referring to escorts, but to hobbyists. My post definitely was NOT directed to escorts, but was intended to be a warning about hobbyists. Yes, Lily, "One asshole flipped. ONE." But you are talking about escorts. But my concern was about all the hobbyists she had seen. My concern was that LE would turn the hobbyists she had seen, and put ALL escorts in a precarious position.

I was not trying to paint all escorts with the conduct of one, nor was my intent to punish and condemn. Rather, it was to try and warn that hobbyists once considered "OK" may not be so anymore. And, my comment that the gents "get around" was meant to point out that just because they saw you or some other escort doesn't mean they didn't also see that "one asshole that flipped." And if she gave up all her hobbyists, then we all need to watch out.

And Dreams, I included your post because you seemed to side with Lily even though you said you were re-thinking the newbie thing. But you also seem to say if you've seen a hobbyist before and feel he is safe, then it is OK to see him again. My point is...not necessarily. I hope I didn't read too much into your post.

Let's all stay safe out there.

[guest071811-3]

Originally Posted by MrGiz

Kelly TNT and Babee are not posting on LITTLE ROCK - BP!!!!

Not 24/7/365 anyway!!

Big difference!

DING DING DING..we have a winner people.. kelly tnt is also a pretty well respected and known girl.. and earned it on aspd and others..

1 fact remains..and i will stick to my guns.. the person did not come FROM ECCIE.. they used an escorts.com handle.. the reference they used is sketchy at best and advertises on CL/BP..

just cuz they are found on E.COM does not make the reputable either.. cuz most are just overflow from CL..

i encourage everyone.. to continue to use CL.. go ahead.. but you just put the gun to your head with more than 1 bullet loaded.. i want to remove as many bullets from the gun as i can if i continued to hobby.. i.e staying off CL, staying off e.com.. sticking to reputable references from close girls you know you can trust and have stayed out of trouble.. trusted hobbyiest.. its all an attempt to minimize the risk..

fact is.. it was not ECCIE nor a compromised eccie member.. it is a transfer from CL that continued to use CL that both got busted.. that took a call from a guy that had a worthless reference from a transferred CL girl as well.. turn down the freakin money, put greed and money hunger on the back burner and hobby safe.. and everyone will come out untouched or atleast reducing the risk..

quit defending CL.. and quit putting others at risk with the foolish attitude.. we all know the attitude.. the same one that was expressed in the "screening" thread, where certain people were quite defensive of their habits..you know the same one where people defended their right to advertise where and take calls from guys from wherever..yet only 2 weeks later we have this from 2 CL girls..

bottom line.. so far aspd/eccie have not created problems.. atleast not public ones.. its been CL..e.com, bp, and the like..

[guest071811-3]

Originally Posted by MissDreams

I agree... it's not where you post. Those lil fuckers are everywhere!!!! Let's just try to be safe as we can!

we would be able to.. if people would quit with the attitude of

as long as newbies can provide what we want they should be safe to see

Originally Posted by MissDreams

So in this time of our ECCIE ladies arrests we should prob. take action of
Laying LoW from new calls if they can't give us what we want or if they have not seen a provider we actually know locally in our area and see our regulars!!

as long as people quit using this theory for a while..since obviously they gave gnd and the other girl exactly what they needed.. so either their screening was sketchy(can't be cuz they claimed otherwise), or the people were just damn prepared.. cuz they only provided what.. 1 or 2 references.. references that aren't worth a damn, nor known girls.. yet it was GOOD ENOUGH and what the providers needed in order to see them..

[Guest032514-1]

I still disagree. Safety is not solely dependent on where you advertise. And if you are booking off a pm from a forum - any forum - you are mental.

They flipped a provider and she gave up her e.com. Probably not just her e.com.
Busting off BP/CL is easy. To date: AR is the only state where every AR p411 account was temporarily suspended. When that mess went down last year - by the same undercover team DING DING DING - the same cops who did that raid did this one. Gina has never ever taken down a whole state before or since. Did everybody leave p411?

LE has infiltrated every hobby site from TER to CL. Every dang one (except ML).

Call it straight. Call it simple. They tried to get as many off as many boards as possible. Including this one. To say "It didn't happen on this board" is as scary as lax screening.

IF you think a fellow provider is not handling herself as well as she is able, for her safety, her clients' safety and thus YOUR safety, it is better served to either address it in ladies, or one on one instead of continually attempting public smear campaigns.

Do I think people should stay off CL? Personally; Yes. Is it my business? In some instances; Yes. Is it my place to smear people who regardless of where they advertise will get the same charges? nope. I don't need to project a holier than thou attitude because no flavor of the month really impacts my business and I haven't run a new ad in ...weeks to a month. There's true concern and there's sour grapes.

[Mr.Chan]

Agreement on such weighty matters difficult to find, and so many harsh words disturb the tranquility of the morning. Departure of so many pleasant companions leave me filled with much sadness as I face unfortunate reality. Future prospects seem as bleak as standing on shore of great lake stretching into distance, ski rope in hand and no boat to pull me.
Excuse please, incense sticks have gone out.