Keystone pipeline meeting resistance in Texas

[gnadfly]

Originally Posted by ekim008

Texans who are the most oil friendly are not happy the Canadian company is not using US steel and will not guarantee using American labor.Plus the oil sands processed will not be used in the USA,Also the condemning of land for the line is not what Texans are use to with other oil company's..

Link? Preferably from a reputable source.

BTW, although I'd prefer for them to use US Steel most people really don't care.
The oil sand processed will stay in Canada. The oil will come to USA (dumbshit).
How much of that land is condemned? 3 ft? 300 miles? When you can't come to agreement on the price, it happens.

[CJ7]

Originally Posted by gnadfly

Link? Preferably from a reputable source.

BTW, although I'd prefer for them to use US Steel most people really don't care.
The oil sand processed will stay in Canada. The oil will come to USA (dumbshit).
How much of that land is condemned? 3 ft? 300 miles? When you can't come to agreement on the price, it happens.

eminent domain

trans canada has settled all but 20 of the 80 cases ... some people dont want a pipeline on their dirt but the oil company takes it anyway .. and how happy would that make you?

the oil may come to the US but it leaves and goes to the global market ... only a dumbshit would think otherwise

[i'va biggen]

Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

Did you make that up, Ekim? Or do you actually have something to support that. You got WTF, CBJ7 and Little Stephanie to buy your bullshit, which isn't that difficult if it supports lefties, but I'd like a little more substance. If you can.

Love it old fart anything posted that you didn't find is a lie...

[Guest032516]

Originally Posted by CJ7

that was sarcasim

click the link and look at the pipeline map ... you cant piss and hit the ground in Texas, Oklahoma, and La without getting an oil pipeline wet ... yeppers, we need more pipelines!

on that note, 50 new pipelines in this country wont mean jack shit unless there are refineries capable of handling the load, and even then the oil company that owns the oil will sell it on the global market ... the oil boys make big $$$, the idiots defend them and the people here dont get shit. .... If thats not a solid rightwing policy tell me what is?

Why is it a problem for you and others that the oil will be sold on the global markets? So is the natural gas we produce.

It is not a matter of whether "'WE" need more oil/gas pipelines, but rather whether the world needs it.

We buy our oil on the global markets, too. Most of our imported oil comes from Canada, Mexico, Venezuela and (I think) Nigeria. We cut down our imports from the Middle East many years ago so that we would not be directly vulnerable to any embargoes like in 1973.

Of course, if Middle East supplies start to dwindle (or there is an embargo), other countries (i.e., China, India, Europe, Japan) will compete with us to buy oil from Venezuela, Canada, Mexico, and other places and the price will go up. But the price will go up even faster if you prevent the oil from the Keystone pipeline from being added to the global market.

We pay the global market price for oil. And that price is determined by how well the worldwide aggregate supply meets the worldwide aggregate demand. If supply is short relative to demand, price goes up. So, if you want to keep oil prices down, you can increase supply and/or reduce demand.

We cannot really control worldwide demand. We can do our best to decrease domestic demand. But, internationally, China's gonna do what China's gonna do. And they are going to build and modernize and use more energy - of all types.

So, our only real shot at keeping oil prices reasonably low on the world markets is to increase supply world wide.

We can still try to suppress oil demand domestically, however. We can tax gasoline and home heating oil heavily to force people to buy smaller, more efficient cars and to build smaller, greener homes or apartments. I'm in favor of both.

The Keystone oil does not have to be sold domestically to benefit the US. The US will benefit so long as the revenues produced by the pipeline exceed its costs. It is pretty clear that will occur.

[CuteOldGuy]

Originally Posted by ekim008

Love it old fart anything posted that you didn't find is a lie...

You didn't "find" anything. You just pulled some shit from your ass and posted it. You've ignored requests for a link, so based on your previous posts, I think you're lying. Just sayin'.

[chefnerd]

Will this one suffice? It was also published in today's Austin Statesman.

http://news.yahoo.com/texas-landowne...--finance.html

[CuteOldGuy]

Not really. Sounds like a few Texans are upset. You can always find those. Sounds like at least one of the landowners protested himself out of a lot of money.

As much as I like Texas, this article, and this board, proves that there are a good share of ignorant people in that state.

[gnadfly]

How bout this Link:

http://www.salon.com/writer/ramit_plushnick_masti/

This isn't what Mike007 (dumbshit) said. FTA:

Nearly half the steel TransCanada is using is not American-made and the company won’t promise to use local workers exclusively; it can’t guarantee the oil will remain in the United States. It has snatched land. Possibly most egregious: They’ve behaved like arrogant foreigners, unworthy of operating in Texas.

ramit_plushnick_masti is also an evironazi

Enough time wasted...

[i'va biggen]

Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

You didn't "find" anything. You just pulled some shit from your ass and posted it. You've ignored requests for a link, so based on your previous posts, I think you're lying. Just sayin'.

No one can change a closed mind like yours.If you think it is a lie disprove it.Most of the shit you post with a link are lies,Just saying.

[ChoomCzar]

Originally Posted by TexCockHog

Why should we want lower gasoline prices? That just leads to more usage and greater global climate change. We need higher gasoline prices, not lower gasoline prices. And the oil that the pipeline carries is particularly dirty oil that emits huge amounts of carbon.

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[CJ7]

Originally Posted by ExNYer

Why is it a problem for you and others that the oil will be sold on the global markets? So is the natural gas we produce.

It is not a matter of whether "'WE" need more oil/gas pipelines, but rather whether the world needs it.

We buy our oil on the global markets, too. Most of our imported oil comes from Canada, Mexico, Venezuela and (I think) Nigeria. We cut down our imports from the Middle East many years ago so that we would not be directly vulnerable to any embargoes like in 1973.

Of course, if Middle East supplies start to dwindle (or there is an embargo), other countries (i.e., China, India, Europe, Japan) will compete with us to buy oil from Venezuela, Canada, Mexico, and other places and the price will go up. But the price will go up even faster if you prevent the oil from the Keystone pipeline from being added to the global market.

We pay the global market price for oil. And that price is determined by how well the worldwide aggregate supply meets the worldwide aggregate demand. If supply is short relative to demand, price goes up. So, if you want to keep oil prices down, you can increase supply and/or reduce demand.

We cannot really control worldwide demand. We can do our best to decrease domestic demand. But, internationally, China's gonna do what China's gonna do. And they are going to build and modernize and use more energy - of all types.

So, our only real shot at keeping oil prices reasonably low on the world markets is to increase supply world wide.

We can still try to suppress oil demand domestically, however. We can tax gasoline and home heating oil heavily to force people to buy smaller, more efficient cars and to build smaller, greener homes or apartments. I'm in favor of both.

The Keystone oil does not have to be sold domestically to benefit the US. The US will benefit so long as the revenues produced by the pipeline exceed its costs. It is pretty clear that will occur.

NG production is down on federal leases because NG has been discovered and is currently being produced and used in several cities because its cheaper to produce than it is on federal leases ... take Ft Worth for instance.

flooding the global market with keystone oil is impossible as long as OPEC can cut production to offset any production increases Keystone or anyone else can muster ... in production terms, the rest of the world likes $100 a barrel oil, as long as they (OPEC et al) have the volume to control the price you can bet they will ..

[markroxny]

Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

You didn't "find" anything. You just pulled some shit from your ass and posted it. You've ignored requests for a link, so based on your previous posts, I think you're lying. Just sayin'.

He didn't make up anything COG.

http://www.mitchellrepublic.com/event/article/id/71400/

Texans stand ground against Keystone pipeline

Southern state landowners: We’re ready to battle for our land. By: RAMIT PLUSHNICK-MASTI, The Associated Press

SUMNER, Texas — Oil has long lived in harmony with farmland and cattle across the Texas landscape, a symbiosis nurtured by generations and built on an unspoken honor code that allowed agriculture to thrive while oil was extracted.

Proud Texans have long welcomed the industry because of the cash it brings to sustain agriculture, but also see its presence as part of their patriotic duty to help wean the United States off “foreign” oil. So the answer to companies that wanted to build pipelines has usually been simple: Yes.

Enter TransCanada.

As the company pursues construction of a 1,179-milelong cross-country pipeline meant to bring Canadian tar sands oil to South Texas refineries, it’s finding opposition in the unlikeliest of places: oil-friendly Texas, a state that has more pipelines snaking through the ground than any other.

The proposed Keystone XL pipeline would travel through a number of states, including South Dakota.

In the minds of some Texas landowners approached by TransCanada for land, the company has broken the code. Nearly half the steel TransCanada is using is not American-made and the company won’t promise to use local workers exclusively; it can’t guarantee the oil will remain in the United States. It has snatched land. Possibly most egregious: The company has behaved like an arrogant foreigner, unworthy of operating in Texas.

To fight back, insulted Texas landowners are filing and appealing dozens of lawsuits, threatening to further delay a project that has already encountered many obstacles. Others are allowing activists to go on their land to stage protests. Several have been arrested.

“We’ve fought wars for it. We stood our ground at the Alamo for it. There’s a lot of reasons that Texans are very proud of their land and proud when you own land that you are the master of that land and you control that land,” said Julia Trigg Crawford, who is fighting the condemnation of a parcel of her family’s 650-acre Red’Arc Farm in Sumner, about 115 miles northeast of Dallas.

Oil and agriculture have lived in peace in part because a one-time payment from a pipeline company or monthly royalties from a production rig can help finance a ranch or farm that struggles today to turn a profit from agriculture. The oil giants also respected landowners’ fierce Texas independence, even sometimes drilling in a different yard or rerouting a pipeline to ensure easy access to the minerals below.

TransCanada is different. For one, it has more often sought and received court permission to condemn land when property owners didn’t agree to an easement.

“This is a foreign company,” Crawford said. “Most people believe that as this product gets to the Houston area and is refined, it’s probably then going to be shipped outside the United States. So if this product is not going to wind up as gasoline or diesel fuel in your vehicles or mine then what kind of energy independence is that creating for us?”

Want more links??

http://www.woai.com/content/troubles...8PifZR1kA.cspx

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-...osing-big-oil/

[CJ7]

they want links ..

Im always curious as to why they are too fucking stupid to look up the shit for themselves ..


Most pipelines are able to reach agreements with landowners to compensate them for an easement on their land. This is typically a one-time payment good for the life of the pipeline. But if a landowner doesn’t want the pipeline on their land, or doesn’t like the offer from the pipeline, the company can use eminent domain. And that’s where things get tricky.
To get eminent domain, all a pipeline company has to do is check a box on a two-page form to the Railroad Commission of Texas, which oversees drilling and pipelines in the state. The pipeline company says they are a “common carrier,” a project for the public good, and is entitled to build their project on private land. TransCanada has used eminent domain against over a hundred landowners in Texas to build their Keystone XL pipeline. “What’s going on right now clearly doesn’t provide any confidence in a determination that a pipeline does or does not enjoy common carrier status,” Judge Rugg says.

http://stateimpact.npr.org/texas/201...court-victory/