Obamacare will ease the burden of health care costs for the uninsured in Georgia

[RedLeg505]

Originally Posted by flghtr65

What we have is 50+ million people who are uninsured. The republican plan for health insurance for those who do not have any - Just don't get sick or marry someone from Canada.

And just how many of the supposed 50+ Million who are "uninsured".. CHOSE not to get insurance? You know the young 20-somethings that don't feel the need to pay thousands a year for a policy they don't feel they need? And of course, the DEMOCRAT plan for health care is to HOLD A GUN in the IRS' hand to their heads and DEMAND that they start buying an insurance plan they don't want, hmm flghtr? If you love it so much, why don't you move to Canada to get that government mandated insurance?

[txoilngas]

This has become a nation of givers and takers. It will not stand.

[thisguy23]

Here is link for you.
Don't drink the kool aid even Harry Reid admits its a plan that won't last and its just a step to single payer


.http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2013...eventual-sing/



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[flghtr65]

Originally Posted by RedLeg505

And just how many of the supposed 50+ Million who are "uninsured".. CHOSE not to get insurance? You know the young 20-somethings that don't feel the need to pay thousands a year for a policy they don't feel they need? And of course, the DEMOCRAT plan for health care is to HOLD A GUN in the IRS' hand to their heads and DEMAND that they start buying an insurance plan they don't want, hmm flghtr? If you love it so much, why don't you move to Canada to get that government mandated insurance?

The government insurance exchange rates have already been posted for Calif. The price of a policy for a 25 year old male making $25,000 is $80 per month which is $960 for the year. What are you talking about Thousands? Just make up any number you want? This is not about me. I am insured. I get my health insurance from my employer. If I did not have any health insurance, I would go to the government insurance exchange on Oct 1st and sign up.

[Mr MojoRisin]

Originally Posted by flghtr65

The senator from Wyoming that was in the video had no plan. They have been talking about letting insurance companies compete across state lines for years. It has not happened. What we have is 50+ million people who are uninsured. The republican plan for health insurance for those who do not have any - Just don't get sick or marry someone from Canada.

I doubt seriously if the Republican plan is for people to not get sick or Marry someone in Canada. Besides the jist of the video is the problems Obamacare may have on those that are already insured. You're worried about numbers, 50 Million Americans without Health Insurance, who the fuck cares. If 50 Million Americans didn't have cars are you willing to pay a ridiculous tax so they can get free public transportation?

Jim

[thisguy23]

Originally Posted by flghtr65

The government insurance exchange rates have already been posted for Calif. The price of a policy for a 25 year old male making $25,000 is $80 per month which is $960 for the year. What are you talking about Thousands? Just make up any number you want? This is not about me. I am insured. I get my health insurance from my employer. If I did not have any health insurance, I would go to the government insurance exchange on Oct 1st and sign up.

Just to give me something to think about, if you know, what is the price for the same male who is 27?
At 25 they can still be on there parents plan.

[flghtr65]

Originally Posted by Mr MojoRisin

I doubt seriously if the Republican plan is for people to not get sick or Marry someone in Canada. Besides the jist of the video is the problems Obamacare may have on those that are already insured. You're worried about numbers, 50 Million Americans without Health Insurance, who the fuck cares. If 50 Million Americans didn't have cars are you willing to pay a ridiculous tax so they can get free public transportation?

Jim

Congress cared that is why they passed the Affordable Care Act bill. The committee that got the bill into the floor of congress was made up of democrats and republicans. Remember Republican Senator Olympia Snow of Vermont? Her vote was the deciding vote to get the bill out of committee. Public transportation is affordable for poor people, it does not need to be free. A portion of our tax dollar is going toward public transportation. Mitt Romney cared about uninsured people that is why he passed Romneycare for the state of Mass. (which has the same mandate that Obamacare has) you are required to purchase health insurance or pay a fine or as Chief Justice Roberts calls it a TAX. We all need health insurance, not just some of us. I don't know of anyone who never gets sick.

[NiceGuy53]

Originally Posted by flghtr65

Congress cared that is why they passed the Affordable Care Act bill. The committee that got the bill into the floor of congress was made up of democrats and republicans. Remember Republican Senator Olympia Snow of Vermont? Her vote was the deciding vote to get the bill out of committee.

The vote in the Senate Finance Committee was 14-9. The Democrats had a 13-10 majority in this committee. So your statement that Senator Snow's vote was the deciding vote to get the bill out of committee is false.

No Republicans voted for the bill in either the House or Senate when it was brought up for a vote on the floor of either house.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/200...s-snowe-reform

[Mr MojoRisin]

Originally Posted by flghtr65

Congress cared that is why they passed the Affordable Care Act bill. The committee that got the bill into the floor of congress was made up of democrats and republicans. Remember Republican Senator Olympia Snow of Vermont? Her vote was the deciding vote to get the bill out of committee. Public transportation is affordable for poor people, it does not need to be free. A portion of our tax dollar is going toward public transportation. Mitt Romney cared about uninsured people that is why he passed Romneycare for the state of Mass. (which has the same mandate that Obamacare has) you are required to purchase health insurance or pay a fine or as Chief Justice Roberts calls it a TAX. We all need health insurance, not just some of us. I don't know of anyone who never gets sick.

I agree we all should have health care ins. I don't know all there is to know about Obamacare but I hear a lot of talk that those that are currently insured may see a significant spike in their current coverage. Its going to affect a lot of things that don't even pertain to Healthcare. Such as a 3.5% tax on the sale of a house. In other words the profit on the sale of a house will be taxed 3.5% right off the top. It's supposedly stated in the Healthcare Bill. There is something fishy about the whole dam thing. It's pretty obvious to me Obamacare isn't entirely about insuring the uninsured, it's about something else. That something else, which I am unable to specifically define will show up one day and it won't be pretty. Guaranteed.

Jim

[flghtr65]

Originally Posted by NiceGuy53

The vote in the Senate Finance Committee was 14-9. The Democrats had a 13-10 majority in this committee. So your statement that Senator Snow's vote was the deciding vote to get the bill out of committee is false.

No Republicans voted for the bill in either the House or Senate when it was brought up for a vote on the floor of either house.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/200...s-snowe-reform

NiceGuy53, I have not heard from you in quite a while. You been on vacation? OK, Olympia Snow was not the deciding vote. However, she did vote to get the bill out of committee and onto the floor. This was key because it would have never become law if it did not get out of committee. There was some bipartisanship displayed. Senator Joe Liberman of CT voted for the bill on the Senate Floor and he was an independent. From your link comments from Senator Snow.

Most Republicans were opposed to the reform bill, expressing concern about the estimated $829bn (£520bn) cost. Charles Grassley, one of the most senior Republicans on the committee, described the bill as a "march leftward".
The most anticipated vote was that of Olympia Snowe, a Republican from Maine, and the only member of her party on the committee who voted for the bill.
Snowe had previously hinted at her support when she said: "Is this bill all that I would want? Far from it. But when history calls, history calls and I happen to think that the consequences of inaction dictate the urgency of Congress to demonstrate its capacity to solve the monumental issues of our time."

[NiceGuy53]

Originally Posted by flghtr65

NiceGuy53, I have not heard from you in quite a while. You been on vacation? OK, Olympia Snow was not the deciding vote. However, she did vote to get the bill out of committee and onto the floor. This was key because it would have never become law if it did not get out of committee. There was some bipartisanship displayed. Senator Joe Liberman of CT voted for the bill on the Senate Floor and he was an independent.

How was her vote "key" to getting the bill out of committee when the Democrats already had the votes to get the bill out of the committee? Your changing your wording from "deciding" to "key" is silly.

Senators and Congressmen occasionally vote to move bills out of committees and then vote against the bill on the floor of their respective house. Also Senators sometimes vote to end the filibuster in the Senate (cloture) but then vote against that bill when it comes to the floor of the Senate. The bill that comes out of a committee is not always the same exact bill that is voted on, on the floor. Amendments can be added to a bill which would change the language of a bill which in turn could cause a Senator or Congressman to change their mind about how to vote.

And there were several back room deals that were made to get certain key Democratic Senators to vote for Obamacare. Remember the "cornhusker kickback" and the "Louisiana purchase"?

The fact remains not one single Republican, including Senator Snow, voted for "Obamacare" on the floor of the House or Senate. So you can not say that this was a bipartisan bill. FYI, Senator Liberman caucused with the Democrats in the Senate.

[WTF]

Maybe obamacare can cure obama derangement syndrome. ..

[Laz]

Originally Posted by flghtr65

The government insurance exchange rates have already been posted for Calif. The price of a policy for a 25 year old male making $25,000 is $80 per month which is $960 for the year. What are you talking about Thousands? Just make up any number you want? This is not about me. I am insured. I get my health insurance from my employer. If I did not have any health insurance, I would go to the government insurance exchange on Oct 1st and sign up.

From what I am seeing online the rates for low income people are not bad. For anyone making a reasonable income ($30,000 + which is not a lot) the cost is high and the benefits mediocre. A lot of the co-pays are high. $45 to see a doctor. They could have probably got the cost of doctor visits down to close to that just by doing things like tort reform and increasing competition on price between doctors. That would have made the insurance cost for simply things a waste.

[flghtr65]

Originally Posted by Laz

From what I am seeing online the rates for low income people are not bad. For anyone making a reasonable income ($30,000 + which is not a lot) the cost is high and the benefits mediocre. A lot of the co-pays are high. $45 to see a doctor. They could have probably got the cost of doctor visits down to close to that just by doing things like tort reform and increasing competition on price between doctors. That would have made the insurance cost for simply things a waste.

A family of 4 that makes between $20,000 and $80,000 will get a subsidy to help pay their premium. The amount of the subsidy depends on where you fall in this range. The closer you are to $80,000 the smaller the subsidy will be. Having some health insurance coverage is better than having no health insurance at all. Right now we have 50 million citizens who don't have health insurance.

[flghtr65]

Originally Posted by NiceGuy53

The vote in the Senate Finance Committee was 14-9. The Democrats had a 13-10 majority in this committee. So your statement that Senator Snow's vote was the deciding vote to get the bill out of committee is false.

No Republicans voted for the bill in either the House or Senate when it was brought up for a vote on the floor of either house.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/200...s-snowe-reform

That may be true, I thought there was one republican congressman from Louisiana that voted for Obamcare and the republican party asked for their campaign contributions to be returned. I can't remember the guys name. This is a fact though, Mitt's number one campaign promise was that if he were elected president, he would repeal Obamacare his FIRST DAY IN OFFICE. Well Mitt lost by 5 million votes. The people spoke loud and clear. Wolf Blitzer of CNN called the election at 8:30PM CST.