Just an observation......

[bambino]

Originally Posted by dj8rocks

Just for clarification, this is what is required:

• In addition, you must submit proof to eccievp.verify@gmail.com that you are 21 or over to have an Upgraded Female Account on Eccie. We require a photocopy of your Driver’s License and/or state issued ID and your location. Your real name and address should be hidden, but your birth date and photo must be visible, along with your user name. We also need a close up picture of your face with you holding up the license or ID next to your face. Proof of age WILL be requested of ANYONE seeking Upgraded Female Account status, regardless of their stated age.

Thanks for the clarification DJ.

[dj8rocks]

Originally Posted by bambino

Thanks for the clarification DJ.

Yes sir. Also, Staff like myself, never see that info that is sent in to that web address for age verification.

[berryberry]

Originally Posted by bambino

Since it looks like Indy’s is permanently gone, where did those people go? Yeah, I know there’s a “new” Indy’s site. But it’s not a true discussion board. There’s another local app too. But not like ECCIE which was similar to Indy’s. I’m suprised that some of those people, hobbyists and hookers haven’t joined here. I guess they took their ball and went home.


Your thoughts if any?

Don't really care as most of the guys there were useless. Some providers have joined and are placing ads which is good. The others probably can't function without the color coded handholding they were used to.

[bambino]

Originally Posted by berryberry

Don't really care as most of the guys there were useless. Some providers have joined and are placing ads which is good. The others probably can't function without the color coded handholding they were used to.

I get why the providers won’t join. What do the guys have to lose?

[klassygerl]

I haven’t heard about Ali for a while. I was just in monroeville and usually guys will talk about the girls there.

[bambino]

Originally Posted by klassygerl

I haven’t heard about Ali for a while. I was just in monroeville and usually guys will talk about the girls there.

https://www.eccie.net/showthread.php?t=2511534

Maybe she’s on Indy’s new site?

[tannana]

Originally Posted by Charley3

I’ve said it before, girls aren’t going to flock over here until guys learn how to get their point across or disagree with them without being dicks. And Fosta has changed the landscape. Plus with what happened in South Florida the amp guys are going to dissapear also.

You know, successful people in any line of endeavor selling a service adapt to the market and take nothing personally. Honest to god, the whole "people are mean" thing takes place in all walks of life. Half of my customers are assholes. FOr what they pay the firm, we deal.

[Gabrielle]

Originally Posted by tannana

You know, successful people in any line of endeavor selling a service adapt to the market and take nothing personally. Honest to god, the whole "people are mean" thing takes place in all walks of life. Half of my customers are assholes. FOr what they pay the firm, we deal.

I was assaulted and raped last fall.
Some people ARE mean.

I had a friend of mine die. About a 1/2 dozen others who were physically assaulted. 2 who were brutally raped. I walked through the fire with a murdered sex workers mom and aunt. This is all since last August. Hell half the pgh ladies are afraid to talk to me without another provider or a the abusive site that is no more owner trying to destroy what I'm doing so they can continue to abuse sex workers. Cops assault and rape sex workers. MOBCJC putting us down, trying to destroy our biz (yep guys talk more than ladies...I know which ones put me down to other guys via unsolicited DM -sigh-) and to top it off they keep calling us crazy. Don't even get me started on the huge number of the MOBCJC sextort sex workers.

So is this what we should adapt to?

But you know...you're right...adapt to the market. -sigh-

Stay tuned for more info on "adapting to the market".

Come on now tannana, you're smarter than this.

[PGH15]

We all want to stay safe in this game. Gabrielle's points are well noted regarding the abuse providers endure at the hands of some hobbyists. Its also worth noting that hobbyists have also been taken advantage of and set up before. My point isn't to make one instance of abuse worse than the other side. I'm simply pointing out that it occurs on both sides.

This is also the reason why most hobbyists refuse to provide RL info during screening. No, not so they can remain anonymous and blameless when that one scumbag hobbyist takes it too far, but for the majority of us who are respectfully hobbying and just want to hobby and nothing more. We dont want to be associated with the few that ruin it for the rest of us and are guilty of what Gabrielle says has happened.

I find it a bit ironic that if the reason why providers are hesitant to provide a photo ID for screening purposes to become a provider here is because they dont want their RL info out there, then why ask it of a hobbyist?

This is basically where the stalemate exists IMO here in Pittsburgh. I'll acknowledge the game is hard anymore, for both sides. I'd never dismiss as irrelevant the abuse that's occurred from "my side" of the hobby, but I dont think it's that offensive to say I'm tired of suffering for the actions of a few.

[bambino]

Originally Posted by Gabrielle

I was assaulted and raped last fall.
Some people ARE mean.

I had a friend of mine die. About a 1/2 dozen others who were physically assaulted. 2 who were brutally raped. I walked through the fire with a murdered sex workers mom and aunt. This is all since last August. Hell half the pgh ladies are afraid to talk to me without another provider or a the abusive site that is no more owner trying to destroy what I'm doing so they can continue to abuse sex workers. Cops assault and rape sex workers. MOBCJC putting us down, trying to destroy our biz (yep guys talk more than ladies...I know which ones put me down to other guys via unsolicited DM -sigh-) and to top it off they keep calling us crazy. Don't even get me started on the huge number of the MOBCJC sextort sex workers.

So is this what we should adapt to?

But you know...you're right...adapt to the market. -sigh-

Stay tuned for more info on "adapting to the market".

Come on now tannana, you're smarter than this.

You should find a new line of work.

[tolstoy]

Originally Posted by bambino

Since it looks like Indy’s is permanently gone, where did those people go? Yeah, I know there’s a “new” Indy’s site. But it’s not a true discussion board. There’s another local app too. But not like ECCIE which was similar to Indy’s. I’m suprised that some of those people, hobbyists and hookers haven’t joined here. I guess they took their ball and went home.


Your thoughts if any?

It was about four years ago (general estimate) that SA started getting a lot of press/intel/analysis on both Indys and Eccie.....

Right then many long-time, regular-poster hobbyists started getting most (if not all) their PFP action from SA. Some of them would even occasionally post on Indys and say to the effect "Just checking in here. I have been busy with SA. Hope everyone is well. Later." I can think of at least a dozen regular-posters/Indys hobbyists who used to see Indys providers and post about them consistently and then- POOF- they seemed to disappear from Indys right after SA started getting a lot of press.....

Also there were many (Many) consistent PGH hobbyists and Indys-guys who had Nothing to do with Eccie Ever. So when they disappeared from Indys their presence was not missed on Eccie, because they were never on Eccie to begin with....

It was not just SA which effected the posting and "chatter" on Indys. People just "come and go" from the hobby, regardless of what old and new hobby-boards and hobby-scenes exist online. I can name another dozen or so guys who were active-posters in spring of 2005 right when Indys started their forums. And many of those guys were on ASPD all during 2004 before that. Many of them had Not posted on Indys for years before SA. So people "come and go" from the online posting hobby-world regardless of what is happening hobby-world online.....

This factor applies to hobbyists who like to see a certain "rotation" of ATF's and to UTR providers who see Only regular clients. If a hobbyist and a provider have a Certain number of people they hobby-with then why even deal with the boards? This applies to ATF "rotation" hobbyists and also UTR "regular clients only" providers. And this factor too existed long before SA hit the scene.....

Expect that factor to Hit-Full-Effect now that FOSTA is in effect. If a provider can maintain All Regular Clients then it is in her interest to not deal with the boards, and do business with only-trusted-guys. Hobbyists have always had the option of seeing a handful of providers only, and Not seeing any new girls for a first time. Also I think it is rare (Rare) for a provider to be fully UTR and not post ads. A certain percentage of them could do that in the years of ASPD and Indys. Probably the same percentage can achieve "regular clients only" status in the age of SA and Eccie and whatever remains of Indys.....

This is another factor: when Indys started many hobbyists and providers liked the "vouched only" forums, and would post Only in those forums, and not the totally public PGH Discussions forum for instance. Those of you who mock Aussie-Guy (or whatever his name was) on Indys- he only posted in the totally public PGH Discussions forum. So you all could have Avoided reading that guy by reading only "vouched" forums on Indys. I bet a lot of hobbyists and providers don't want to post on Eccie if they perceive it is a totally "public" board where Anyone can read and post, and even if the person does Not have to prove through a "vouch" that they have seen BCD a provider or hobbyist.....

Eccie may or may not attract some of the Indys active-posters, hobbyists and providers. Many of them disappeared long before SA came on to the scene, many hobbyists disappeared because of SA, many Indys people just won't be interested in Eccie for whatever reason. The non-vouch-system, "public" vibe of Eccie many Indys people will consider before they join here. And a whole hell of a lot of people are now "doing their own thing" in relation to the online hobby world, especially now in a FOSTA world.....

[burgh1]

I think what a lot of non-Indys guys objected to was the attitude... many inquiries from guys who wanted to get vouched were met with sort of an "f-u this is our club and you're never getting in" tone.

There was a thread on providers who would see red squares that consisted mostly of women who were long gone from the area, the business, or this earth.

There were certain providers who would see you and probably give you that vouch, but if you had to see some of them to get to the more desirable ones, many guys just passed.

Personally I never tried very hard, so these are observations and not complaints. But I guess some girls felt safer and some made lots of money and certain guys did really well, so at the end of the day it was a success in its own way.

This industry just screams for legalization, but that's at polar opposites with the Fosta and "me too" climate out there, so likely things are going be pushed further underground and become more dangerous.

You younger guys don't know what you missed when Liberty Avenue was in full swing.

[tannana]

Originally Posted by PGH15

We all want to stay safe in this game. Gabrielle's points are well noted regarding the abuse providers endure at the hands of some hobbyists. Its also worth noting that hobbyists have also been taken advantage of and set up before. My point isn't to make one instance of abuse worse than the other side. I'm simply pointing out that it occurs on both sides.

They aren't well noted. I haven't read them, but I'll gather (from your summary) that it involved some kind of physical assault. Guess what? That's a strawman. Dudes reporting negative encounters or being assholes on a review site has nothing at all to do with physical violence. Nothing. There's neither correlation, nor causation between those things. It is an easier point to "defend" (because people who assault anyone don't make for sympathetic figures).



My observation still stands. And these two statements:


"successful people in any line of endeavor selling a service adapt to the market and take nothing personally."


and


"some variation of something involving assault at some time"


have zero to do with one another.

Originally Posted by PGH15

This is basically where the stalemate exists IMO here in Pittsburgh. I'll acknowledge the game is hard anymore, for both sides. I'd never dismiss as irrelevant the abuse that's occurred from "my side" of the hobby, but I dont think it's that offensive to say I'm tired of suffering for the actions of a few.

Is there a stalemate? There's at least two providers I know of that absolutely and vigorously disagree with my take on a lot of this kind of thing, and both of them unflinching took my cash and other things in the past month without a second thought. See the statement about "successful people in any line of work...."


The network (in a connected business/market) sense in the 'burgh is shaking itself out after old INdys left and FOSTA. It's different. But it will sort itself out, and to the extent you only exist on one side of the hobby, yours is the one that won't lose a "stalemate." You have the green.

[Ballsindeep]

Indy’s provided a way for providers to feel a little safe by seeing vouched only clients. It also isolated some of the comments some clients make when the session is not as good as they expected for whatever reason.

I saw on here providers left on the new Indys are asking for personal info from clients so they will have a tough go of it. I have no idea if Indys is still up and running and don’t care.

Let’s not forget how Indys locked up the Pittsburgh market. A lot of girls started out on BP or ASPD or somewhere else and then was told about Indys and the vouch system. Some joined up and others knew girls who were on the site. It was very good source for a long time and some clients liked Indys.

When SA came about it provided a place for girls who did not want to be called escorts or get into it full time a place to look around and maybe meet someone with as far as i know little chance of getting busted for escorting as its a sugar daddy deal. This could change if LE starts going after girls on SA.

Now we all know how this is going to go with less places to find girls.SA will have more jerks looking and it will end up with a girl getting rapped or killed and the site will be in trouble just like CL adults was forced off CL.

[Ballsindeep]

Indy’s provided a way for providers to feel a little safe by seeing vouched only clients. It also isolated some of the comments some clients make when the session is not as good as they expected for whatever reason.

I saw on here providers left on the new Indys are asking for personal info from clients so they will have a tough go of it. I have no idea if Indys is still up and running and don’t care.

Let’s not forget how Indys locked up the Pittsburgh market. A lot of girls started out on BP or ASPD or somewhere else and then was told about Indys and the vouch system. Some joined up and others knew girls who were on the site. It was very good source for a long time and some clients liked Indys.

When SA came about it provided a place for girls who did not want to be called escorts or get into it full time a place to look around and maybe meet someone with as far as i know little chance of getting busted for escorting as its a sugar daddy deal. This could change if LE starts going after girls on SA.

Now we all know how this is going to go with less places to find girls.SA will have more jerks looking and it will end up with a girl getting rapped or killed and the site will be in trouble just like CL adults was forced off CL.