HOLY CRAP...

[captjackno]

Originally Posted by causewaycommuter

Lots of people are saying lots of things. But the reality is that no one has a clue how it is really going to play out. There are so many assumptions, wild cards and variables (both known and unknown) in play, I think it's impossible to accurately predict any medium to long term results in anything.

It's Econ 101. There's no guess work about it. You're going to.see.tremendous growth. You just are witnessing the 20 year US experiment with European Socialism. It failed, just as in Europe. Globalism does not work, and now we have 20 years of data to prove it. Whenever you enact economic protections that favor your country, especially when the world depends on your economy, you stand to experience tremendous growth. If we see significant growth in the US military industrial complex, we may see economic growth to rival WWII, especially since our military investment has been stagnant for over 15 years.

[Guest021217]

Yaay for no more Obama care

[causewaycommuter]

We are going to witness something that hasn't happened before in that we will have a president and several senior position filled with people with no political/governmental experience at all. Combine that with the fact that no one (probably including Trump himself) has a clear idea of what Trump's policies and objectives really are, and how those policies and objectives will be met.

I hear what y'all are saying about economics 101 and common sense. But again, we are making a lot of assumptions about what will happen. It hopefully will be punch in the face that our country has needed for a long time. But it could also be a total and complete fiasco. My guess is that it will be a bit of both.

[Melissa Madyson]

Originally Posted by causewaycommuter

We are going to witness something that hasn't happened before in that we will have a president and several senior position filled with people with no political/governmental experience at all. Combine that with the fact that no one (probably including Trump himself) has a clear idea of what Trump's policies and objectives really are, and how those policies and objectives will be met.

I hear what y'all are saying about economics 101 and common sense. But again, we are making a lot of assumptions about what will happen. It hopefully will be punch in the face that our country has needed for a long time. But it could also be a total and complete fiasco. My guess is that it will be a bit of both.

I wholeheartedly agree... I am just sick about the whole deal...May God have mercy on his soul!!
M.M.

[annie@christophers]

Now about that wall...whenso that starting again.. lol. Xxoo annie

[1blackman1]

Originally Posted by captjackno

It's Econ 101. There's no guess work about it. You're going to.see.tremendous growth. You just are witnessing the 20 year US experiment with European Socialism. It failed, just as in Europe. Globalism does not work, and now we have 20 years of data to prove it. Whenever you enact economic protections that favor your country, especially when the world depends on your economy, you stand to experience tremendous growth. If we see significant growth in the US military industrial complex, we may see economic growth to rival WWII, especially since our military investment has been stagnant for over 15 years.

What you wrote suggests that you have never taken an econ class and that you clearly have no understanding of international economics or business. Only a few screwball economists have supported Trumps "economic plan". Moreover, what we have actually seen and experienced is that over the past 1/2 century, conservative economic policies has resulted in huge economic downswings and recessions. We also know that trickle down doesn't work at all. There has been no time period that tax cuts below the rates we are at currently have spurred the economy. In fact, once you get below the threshold we are at currently we have ballooned debt as a result of short-term deficit spending that generally results in long-tern deficit spending and a lack of reasonable debt abatement.

Bush 2 economy ended with us being pushed into he largest recession since the 30s, Bush 1 economy pushed us into the 3rd largest recession since the 30s and Reagan economy had a false boom that quickly turned into the Bush 1 recession. The only conservative that did not tank the economy in the last 50 years was Nixon, mainly because he wasn't a real fiscal conservative and the economy was buoyed by an ongoing war. Also, I will give credit to the Reagan economy because it helped hasten the fall of the USSR but the cost of doing so was a recession as noted before.

Now whether you like it or not, in our lifetimes Democrat economies have all been positive, though the oil issues of the Carter administration strained the economy to its limits we had an easily recoverable period of very slow growth. It would have however resolved itself once our dispute with the middle east oil cartel ended. Moreover, though no person of a particular ideology will ever admit it, the Obama economy has been great for most everyone in the nation compared to what was inherited. We were on the precipice of our 1st depression since the 30s and job loss numbers were at 800,000 a month. Even with Republicans fighting every Obama economic policy (and I mean EVERY) the US economy under Obama has grown steadily and jobs reports have been positive for one of the longest periods in US history (even longer that Reagan while Reagan and Democrats in Congress that decided to work with him rather than fight over EVERY idea).

I know actual facts bother conservatives, particularly those that rely on Breitbart and Fox, but actual data supports democratic and center-left economic policies over conservative (particularly republican) policies when viewed over a 25-50 year period.

[need4discreet]

Im sure the BP ban is Obama. Hes got an 8yr track record of doing unconstitutional shit.

[1blackman1]

Originally Posted by need4discreet

Im sure the BP ban is Obama. Hes got an 8yr track record of doing unconstitutional shit.

Such a pity. More ignorance. Some people can't help themselves I suppose. Taking executive action when congress refuses to act isn't unconstitutional. But don't let facts get in the way. Congress could have passed plenty of laws in the 6 years they were in control of the House or the 2 years they controlled both houses. Instead they just spent their time complaining that mean ole Obama was treading on their authority to complain.

Oh and that whole Harry Reid wouldn't allow a vote on House bills is a tired lie as well. Of the some 400 bills he held up the vast majority of them weren't germane to anything. And a vast majority of them never exited committee because of further non-germain amendments. The house passed those bills separately with the express purpose of trying to move floor voted on Planned Parenthood, abortion, and Repeal of the ACA etc through bills that were on their face renaming post offices and parks. Oddly no one mentioned the 100 or so bills that went to the House that were refused a vote because they would have passed with bipartisan votes but with a minority of the republican caucus supporting it (ie the immigration bill passed with bipartisan senate support)

But ya know let's just blame Obama for the moon replacing the sun nightly. Since ya know everything is his fault, facts be damned.

[causewaycommuter]

The whole system is broken. The one thing I hope Trump is successful in is being Malatov cocktail to the whole system...create so much chaos that everyone has to band together to make it functional again.

[1blackman1]

that won't happen but we shall see what comes of it all.

[captjackno]

Originally Posted by 1blackman1

Such a pity. More ignorance. Some people can't help themselves I suppose. Taking executive action when congress refuses to act isn't unconstitutional. But don't let facts get in the way. Congress could have passed plenty of laws in the 6 years they were in control of the House or the 2 years they controlled both houses. Instead they just spent their time complaining that mean ole Obama was treading on their authority to complain.

Oh and that whole Harry Reid wouldn't allow a vote on House bills is a tired lie as well. Of the some 400 bills he held up the vast majority of them weren't germane to anything. And a vast majority of them never exited committee because of further non-germain amendments. The house passed those bills separately with the express purpose of trying to move floor voted on Planned Parenthood, abortion, and Repeal of the ACA etc through bills that were on their face renaming post offices and parks. Oddly no one mentioned the 100 or so bills that went to the House that were refused a vote because they would have passed with bipartisan votes but with a minority of the republican caucus supporting it (ie the immigration bill passed with bipartisan senate support)

But ya know let's just blame Obama for the moon replacing the sun nightly. Since ya know everything is his fault, facts be damned.

See, now, you're resorting to name calling when you don't need to, because you do.put forth a cogent argument; however, the flaw in your belief system is you assume that I am conservative because I disagree with President Obama's economic efforts, which were exactly the same as G.W. Bush, and Bill Clinton, and G.H.W. Bush. See, I don't look at government, which is totally different than politics, through the lens of any political party. I view government through logic and common sense, which doesn't seem to exist in most places. I agree that trickle down is a failure, but I also disagree that President Obama had success in the economy. While his job numbers increased, that was made up primarily of minimum wage or lower wage jobs, with minimal major corporate expansion within the United States. President Obama continued the global outsourcing of American Industry that was started by Bill Clinton and continued by G.W. Bush. Wages are stagnant while the cost of living increased. There are a record number of able bodied Americans no longer searching for jobs, which leads to those improved job numbers, and record numbers of citizens on public assistance, it's no wonder that those seeking employment decreased at the same time people needing public assistance increased. Plus, the nation's economy SHOULD have failed under Bush and Obama, but they both falsely kept the economy afloat by printing money and causing a decrease in the value of the dollar. Government debt is up. Personal debt is up. Wages flat when prices are at record highs. So, I don't see this amazing economy you see under Obama. I see 20 plus years of economic train wrecks founded on trickle down econ, corporate welfare, and the false premise that global outsourcing of industry is good. The last 4 presidents oversaw the destruction of the American middle class with support of major corporations, Obama included. Democrat economies and Republican economies are equally poor. Spending on infrastructure, Military contracts creates jobs, people get checks, they spend money, then demand increases, prices go up, companies hire more employees, they get paid, they buy stuff....and the cycle continues. That's economy. I don't give a shit who the president is as long as they uphold the constitution and use common sense. We haven't had that in 30 years.

[annie@christophers]

LOVITEY.

[captjackno]

Originally Posted by annie@christophers

LOVITEY.

See what you started, Annie? Lol

[David-Louisiana]

I for one am looking forward to a manufacturing boom here in the U.S. Simple removal of bullshit regs (yes many are) and accompanying red tape will alone make the U.S. competitive on the world marketplace again. It's all about cost per widget, not cost per manhour.

For those who don't know Econ 101 for manufacturing, I have a number of clients who were making record profits from 2008 thru 2012 and needed capital expansion. They could not afford to build what they may not have be allowed to operate. This would be like building a home then not being allowed to either live in it or rent it out. Yes, it has been that bad and even for "green" products. Instead the government concentrated on all sorts of new processes (proved with computer simulations) that just did not work when built. Most have been or in the process of being demolished.

No tariffs are needed to restore trade balance, just the bullshit of well meaning do gooders who only fuck things up because they don't understand shit.

[Raindog115]

Originally Posted by need4discreet

Im sure the BP ban is Obama. Hes got an 8yr track record of doing unconstitutional shit.

It is the Republicans that have some fixation with outlawing porn and, no doubt by extension, sites like BP and this one. It's in their current RNC platform: "Pornography, with its harmful effects, especially on children, has become a public health crisis that is destroying the life of millions."

On a related note, I would find it very interesting to see how many of the members on ECCIE vote Republican. I was hoping someone would have put up an anonymous poll declaring who everyone voted for in the last presidential election. I'd suspect more here voted for Trump than Hillary.

For what it's worth, I think Trump's an abomination.