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Old 10-11-2012, 10:32 PM   #16
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This is HYSTERICAL! Is your in call a bomb shelter, Kayla?
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Old 10-12-2012, 12:43 AM   #17
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Kayla...it's so all those black helicopters flying in your neighborhood wiil now have air ammo

I think we need CumCzar to confirm her post...that will really add some reliabity to the big bad gov't coming along and buying up all the ammo
VIDEOS: Military Helicopters Conduct Covert Exercises Over U.S.

There are news reports... also people who have filmed military exercises all over America.
Ever heard of YouTube?

http://www.fema.gov/national-level-exercise


As far as the bullets...
https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportun...=core&_cview=1

https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportun...152a5&_cview=0

if anyone wants to know more just use the site - https://www.fbo.gov/?s=main&mode=lis...t&tabmode=list


...and vkmaster, you forgot about the drones!
http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local...173415551.html

FAA: Look For 30,000 Drones To Fill American Skies By The End Of The Decade


Remember Kayla, for most (the people who responded to your post like children)
.... ignorance is bliss.


That's why America is decaying.


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Old 10-12-2012, 01:19 AM   #18
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Look at the number of personnel employed by DHS (*240,000 personnel). If only half (120,000 personnel) of them are required to train and maintain weapons proficiency, you're looking and millions of rounds needed for training each year. Then multiply that by the number of weapons that each person must train with (pistol, rifle, carbine and more rounds if they are training on submachine guns and machine guns). Finally, there's operational load -- the number of rounds kept on hand to meet mission requirements.

* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_...eland_Security
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Old 10-12-2012, 01:31 AM   #19
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Look at the number of personnel employed by DHS (*240,000 personnel). If only half (120,000 personnel) of them are required to train and maintain weapons proficiency, you're looking and millions of rounds needed for training each year. Then multiply that by the number of weapons that each person must train with (pistol, rifle, carbine and more rounds if they are training on submachine guns and machine guns). Finally, there's operational load -- the number of rounds kept on hand to meet mission requirements.

* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_...eland_Security
No, the real number is 1.4 Billion Rounds
Sorry, I B Hankering I did not see the entire title of her post...
looking at trading sheets right now, too many other numbers to think about.

The only logical explanation is inflation, the future cost, stockpiling...
or history may repeat.
And please... spare me, don't think it can't happen.
America is the most fucked up country on the face of the earth.
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Old 10-12-2012, 02:03 AM   #20
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No, the real number is 1.4 Billion Rounds

The only logical explanation is inflation, the future cost, stockpiling...
or history may repeat.
And please... spare me, don't think it can't happen.
America is the most fucked up country on the face of the earth.
1.4 billion rounds for 120,000 personnel equates to 11,666 rounds per individual -- but is that for one year? two years? five years? If it's for one year, that equates to less than 1,000 rounds per month per individual for training: Federal Marshalls and Secret Service agents easily use that much ammo per month for training. Furthermore, when using a weapon like the M249 SAW, it's easy to burn through a 1,000 rounds of 5.56mm in a couple of hours. Same is true of 9mm ammo when using a weapon like the H & K MP5. And what isn't used for training would be secured as Basic Load for operational and contingency missions.

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Old 10-12-2012, 04:44 AM   #21
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1.4 billion rounds for 120,000 personnel equates to 11,666 rounds per individual -- but is that for one year? two years? five years? If it's for one year, that equates to less than 1,000 rounds per month per individual for training: Federal Marshalls and Secret Service agents easily use that much ammo per month for training. Furthermore, when using a weapon like the M249 SAW, it's easy to burn through a 1,000 rounds of 5.56mm in a couple of hours. Same is true of 9mm ammo when using a weapon like the H & K MP5. And what isn't used for training would be secured as Basic Load for operational and contingency missions.

Agencies Under DHS
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  • U.S. Customs and Border Protection
  • Federal Emergency Management Agency
  • U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement
  • Transportation Security Administration
  • United States Coast Guard
  • National Protection and Programs Directorate
  • United States Secret Service
The American fascist police state.
All to fight the fake war on terror.
US created and still fund Al Qaeda in countries like Libya and Syria.
PNAC, 9/11.
Clinton used Al Qaeda in Bosnia and Somalia.
Al Qaeda to fight the Russians...
I think we had this conversation before.
While at the same time my constitutional rights are stripped incrementally.
No thanks... This is one of the reasons why I won't be in America that much longer.
Soon I won't be paying for endless BS wars and the NSA Fusion Centers and DHS.

DEFENSE TECHNICAL INFORMATION CENTER: The U.S. Army’s Operating Concept 2016-2028: Full Spectrum Operations in the Homeland

Update on HR 6357: To Prohibit the Extrajudicial Killing of United States Citizens, and for Other Purposes

Associated Press: Homeland Security Intelligence Effort Named Citizens, Not Terrorists

LRAD Corporation Receives Long Range Acoustic Device 100XTM Order from United States Air National Guard

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Old 10-12-2012, 06:04 AM   #22
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SEE, you wouldn't know a fascist if one came up to you kicked you in your bb's (er, balls?). You have absolutely no understanding of even what fascism is. You have just found a word you think you can substitute for the old, right-wang chant of "communist" and sound intelligent or thoughtful for doing so. Not so much.
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Old 10-12-2012, 06:26 AM   #23
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Hold on there fruit cakes. Everything I said is true. I go to CTD guns n McKinney at least once a week. The 5 7 ammo has been gone for months. GO VERIFY IT YOU BACK BIRTH. It's right here in north Texas.

Ok I'll tell you what, if any of you jerks can find that caliber in anything other than snap caps I will give you 500$. Do you hear me mutherfucker? And I do expect you to give me a verifiable source where I can get more.

Yes I love my guns and I could beat any one of you in accuracy. Get back to the fucking topic. What is going on with this. I've not read ANYTHING about this which is why I'm just a little pissed off.

I know, how about you just CALL the fucking gun store. I'll even go to the trouble of getting you a number so you don't damage the last few brain cells you have.


800-421-8047. Http://cheaperthandirtguns.com


That's the place I generally shop.


Now I sugar coat a whole lot of myself mostly because being ugly doesn't appeal to me. I'd much rather burry you in sweetness, however on this topic I'm 1000% right. Call and VERIFY you mental migget hung like a fruit bat.

Am I talking to you? Yes


I triple dog dare you to put up or shut up.
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Old 10-12-2012, 07:20 AM   #24
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Pay attention and buy what you can when it is available.
The amount that you need on hand should be equal to the amount you would want for the rest of your life.
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Old 10-12-2012, 07:55 AM   #25
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Hold on there fruit cakes. Everything I said is true. I go to CTD guns n McKinney at least once a week. The 5 7 ammo has been gone for months. GO VERIFY IT YOU BACK BIRTH. It's right here in north Texas.

Ok I'll tell you what, if any of you jerks can find that caliber in anything other than snap caps I will give you 500$. Do you hear me mutherfucker? And I do expect you to give me a verifiable source where I can get more.

Yes I love my guns and I could beat any one of you in accuracy. Get back to the fucking topic. What is going on with this. I've not read ANYTHING about this which is why I'm just a little pissed off.

I know, how about you just CALL the fucking gun store. I'll even go to the trouble of getting you a number so you don't damage the last few brain cells you have.


800-421-8047. Http://cheaperthandirtguns.com


That's the place I generally shop.


Now I sugar coat a whole lot of myself mostly because being ugly doesn't appeal to me. I'd much rather burry you in sweetness, however on this topic I'm 1000% right. Call and VERIFY you mental migget hung like a fruit bat.

Am I talking to you? Yes


I triple dog dare you to put up or shut up.
Its simple supply and demand. The US seriously depleted it's stockpiles of ammo by fighting 2 wars.That's why there are all those buy orders see was pointing out. It's not just Homeland. It's all the branches of the military.
They make more money cranking out 5.56 mm and .308 than they do 5.7 mm
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Old 10-12-2012, 08:01 AM   #26
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Hey IB she called you a motherfucker....
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Old 10-12-2012, 08:51 AM   #27
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http://www.cabelas.com/handgun-ammun...nition-1.shtml

They have the ammo available...can I have the $500 in services instead?!?!?!
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Old 10-12-2012, 09:36 AM   #28
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SEE, you wouldn't know a fascist if one came up to you kicked you in your bb's (er, balls?). You have absolutely no understanding of even what fascism is. You have just found a word you think you can substitute for the old, right-wang chant of "communist" and sound intelligent or thoughtful for doing so. Not so much.
http://www.eccie.net/showthread.php?t=573451

Dr. Lawrence Britt has examined the fascist regimes of Hitler (Germany), Mussolini (Italy), Franco (Spain), Suharto (Indonesia) and several Latin American regimes. Britt found 14 defining characteristics common to each:

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism - Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.

2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights - Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.

3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause - The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.

4. Supremacy of the Military - Even when there are widespread
domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.

5. Rampant Sexism - The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Divorce, abortion and homosexuality are suppressed and the state is represented as the ultimate guardian of the family institution.

6. Controlled Mass Media - Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.

7. Obsession with National Security - Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.

8. Religion and Government are Intertwined - Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.

9. Corporate Power is Protected - The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.

10. Labor Power is Suppressed - Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed.

11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts - Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts and letters is openly attacked.

12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment - Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.

13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption - Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.

14. Fraudulent Elections - Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.
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To Scotty.. Yes you may, but I have to be able to get my hands on it. hee hee the ammo I mean.

AND THANK YOU. I'VE LOOKED EVERYWHERE.



Well they said the same thing. It's backorderable only.
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Old 10-12-2012, 10:28 AM   #30
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All this and the Ammo IS available but depleted because of two wars. and other conflicts. LMAO!

Sounds like this Far Right Conspiracy Theory that was recently debunked and even attributed to Wingnut business owners:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/freedom.asp

Just like COF, Kayla will never admit a mistake and will post the next far out alarmist crap without hesitation.

We should have a "Little Boy Who Cried Wolf" Default Block on COF and others' posts.
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