Government Contracts

[Jewish Lawyer]

Originally Posted by Old-T

I'm sorry you lost your job,but the decision was not made based upon who gave $ to whom. And no, your a/c had some advantages, and some disadvantages. Performance is ONE part, so was schedule. And supportability in a broad sence.

Seniors actually made strong arguments for your a/c. But when it came down to it, it was career military folks--mostly conservative republicans--who said their whole package was better than you company's package.

The "they contributed to Obama" is sour grapes. Guess who YOUR company contributed to?

Career military folks who want to advance their careers have been known to be subject to political influence, in spite of their personal beliefs. You cannot tell me all those generals really believe women in combat and homos in the showers will be good for the esprit de corp of the armed forces. They were told to support it or retire.

[Jewish Lawyer]

Is she younger or older than the average AMP girl?

[CJ7]

Originally Posted by Jewish Lawyer

Is she younger or older than the average AMP girl?

AMP? African Massage Parlor?

me likie Smile

[IIFFOFRDB]

http://www.avweb.com/avwebbiz/news/B..._208303-1.html


March 12, 2013

Embraer, Beechcraft Spar Over Air Force Contract

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By Russ Niles, Editor-in-Chief






Beechcraft and Embraer are engaged in a public relations battle over the Air Force's choice of Embraer's Super Tucano for a $427 million contract to provide a light air support (LAS) platform. The Air Force made its selection on Feb. 27 and within a week Beechcraft announced it would formally protest the award, suggesting there might be irregularities in the process and noting the Super Tucano will cost significantly more than the AT-6 it offered. Within hours, Embraer and its primary contractor on the project, Sierra Nevada Corp. (SNC), issued a joint statement defending their successful bid and expressing disappointment that Beechcraft is challenging the choice of the Super Tucano a second time. The Embraer/SNC consortium won 2011 competition for the contract, which then-Hawker Beechcraft successfully challenged and overturned. The earlier challenge uncovered irregularities in the consideration of the bids by the Air Force, and Beechcraft CEO Bill Boisture said in a statement that he doesn't think the second bid was handled properly either, particularly since the Embraer aircraft will cost significantly more than the AT-6. "Given our experience of last year and our continued strong concern that there are again significant errors in the process and evaluation in this competition, we are left with no recourse other than to file a protest with the GAO," he said.


Boisture said the Super Tucano will cost the Air Force 40 percent more than the AT-6 even though he said the Air Force rated the Beechcraft entry "exceptional." "We simply don't understand how the Air Force can justify spending over 40 percent more –- over $125 million more –- for what we consider to be less capable aircraft," Boisture said. Embraer and SNC didn't dispute Boisture's math but they did say the Air Force made its choice based on mission capability, past performance and price in that order. "The U. S. Air Force determined that the price they are paying for the superior A-29 aircraft was part of the 'overall best value,'" the bid winners said in their statement. The combatants did agree on one point. Both are hoping for a quick decision by the Government Accountability Office (GAO) on Beechcraft's protest.

[CJ7]

there ya go .. the contract is still up in the air.


too bad the decision doesnt come from the pilots, its their asses that have to fly, and sometimes for their own life, these birds. Beech is well known for its role in the private sector, and making turbo prop planes that can land/take off on DIRT runways. Apparently their bird is lighter, faster,and can fly longer missions than the Tucano. I'd like to hear what an AF jockey has to say.

[CuteOldGuy]

Originally Posted by IIFFOFRDB

"The U. S. Air Force determined that the price they are paying for the superior A-29 aircraft was part of the 'overall best value,'" the bid winners said in their statement.

Since when has "value" ever played a part in a military contract?

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by Jewish Lawyer

Is she younger or older than the average AMP girl?

It is difficult to tell with the layered makeup .... but she's lower mileage.

[Guest123018-4]

They speak Portuguese in Brazil, not the same as Spanish.

[chefnerd]

There are actually other factors involved in the issuing of government contracts, such as past performance, and whether the agency/military branch believes the competitor would actually be able to deliver in the future. A couple of things to consider is the fact that Beechcraft just came out of bankruptcy proceedings along with the fact that although the AT-6 is based on a long used training aircraft, it is in actuality, a PROTOTYPE. Beechcraft has a grand total of TWO AT-6 aircraft whereas the Embraer plane is currently in service in multiple countries.

http://defense.aol.com/2013/03/08/be...delegation-on/

[Old-T]

Originally Posted by chefnerd

There are actually other factors involved in the issuing of government contracts, such as past performance, and whether the agency/military branch believes the competitor would actually be able to deliver in the future. A couple of things to consider is the fact that Beechcraft just came out of bankruptcy proceedings along with the fact that although the AT-6 is based on a long used training aircraft, it is in actuality, a PROTOTYPE. Beechcraft has a grand total of TWO AT-6 aircraft whereas the Embraer plane is currently in service in multiple countries.

http://defense.aol.com/2013/03/08/be...delegation-on/

Thank you. And following on your prototype comment, that was a big issue from what I understand. The AF wanted a certain delivery schedule and in this case Beechcraft was not overly convincing that they could meet it, it was largely a "trust me" card.